Jeese Williams Knee!

[Subzero717]

Hill -> Bennett
Willaims -> Red
SCruggs -> McDonald
Avril -> Clemons

And we don't miss a beat while using all that cap room to sign Earl, Sherman, Tate and Doug . . .

I must be reading it wrong. Every guy on the right side is proven to be better than the guy on the left except Avril and Clemons are fairly close. So I dont realy know what you symbols mean. Besides 3 of 4 on left played how many games combined last year.

McGruff's post makes perfect sense to me

Great explanation on why.

Arrows of transition (x is taking over y's role), not mathematical symbols in this instance.

If thats the case fine but as pointed out the transitions didnt necessarily translate. IMO in most every case if for no other reason, the fact 3 were all injured all or most of all last year they would be downgrades at least in the immediate future because they are unknown compared to proven commodities.

 

[Sarlacc83]

Good news. However, I have a feeling that he's going to need more than just a healed knee to crack the rotation. (I think it's highly likely that Bryant's back in 2014 on a cheaper deal.)

 

[hawk45]

he was a 1st round talent no question.

All to say that I really love high risk/high reward picks from the late 4th through the early 6th because in the grand scheme of things the risks are really low. The flyer, even if it doesn't pan out, is totally worth it, IMO.

Agreed. We got great value on Thurmond the same way. Once you get to the mid-fourth, might as well look at least a couple times for high upside guys with character or injury issues and roll the dice. This gives you the chance to turn a fourth-round pick into a first- or second-round player talent.

I have to disagree we got great value on Thurmond. Thurmond would be a good example of when this approach sometimes results in throwing away a draft pick. What did we end up getting out of Thurmond, part of 1 healthy seasons cut short by a drug suspension before we have to sign him to contract number 2 and let him go?

I do agree that it makes sense to sprinkle in some high risk/reward picks in the later rounds vs the earlier rounds. I'm just nit-picking the Thurmond example. If Williams pans out like Thurmond, we'll still be missing a replacement for Red.

 

[Smelly McUgly]

I disagree with you, Hawk. We got key play from Thurmond at multiple times over the last two years in a case where most people drafted at that spot don't do anything.

 

[ivotuk]

Lat year McDonald played better than McDonald ever has . . .

True bill and there is no reason to think he will regress.

McDonald said when he got cut the last time that he had time to sit and think about his future. He determined that if he got another chance he was going to play lights out, and that's what we saw.

I suspect that John and Pete knew what they were doing when the cut Clinton. They knew his potential when they traded for him, and they also knew that he wasn't paying up to that potential. If he's smart, he comes back to Seattle for veteran minimum.

But somebody with lots of cap space will pay him more than he is worth. Great for him if they do.

John Schneider also said something to the effect of "the 2013 draft class will be redshirted" for the most part."

There wasn't a lot of room on this team for rookies, and only the best would make the cut to the 53. For John Schneider and Pete Carroll, IR is a handy tool.

 

[Hawks46]

This is great news.

I think the guys on the DL with the most upside (room to improve) are Williams, Brooks, and Scruggs. I personally think McDonald will improve a bit, but we might not be able to sign him.

McDonald is still young in terms of game snaps, so I think he probably hasn't hit his ceiling quite yet. As he's not physically dominating, he relies on more technique than size to blow up plays. He is very quick and that helps, but he's not a guy like Mebane that can take on double teams as well as get penetration, but he anchors well against one guy and is hard to stop from penetrating.

I think we can only sign one of McDaniel or McDonald. Geting only one of those is fine by me; I'm intrigued by our younger guys I listed above.

 

[MysterMatt]

I dunno. It's good to be enthusiastic, but all I saw in Williams was a chicken-legged brute with no real technique at all. He seems outrageously overrated by a lot of folks, but hey, if Pete and John see something in the guy, then I will keep my fingers crossed.

Personally, I think he's the Max Unger of the defense.

 

[McGruff]

I dunno. It's good to be enthusiastic, but all I saw in Williams was a chicken-legged brute with no real technique at all. He seems outrageously overrated by a lot of folks, but hey, if Pete and John see something in the guy, then I will keep my fingers crossed.

Personally, I think he's the Max Unger of the defense.

Probowler, All Pro and concensus top 5 at his position?

I'll go with that!

 

[MysterMatt]

I dunno. It's good to be enthusiastic, but all I saw in Williams was a chicken-legged brute with no real technique at all. He seems outrageously overrated by a lot of folks, but hey, if Pete and John see something in the guy, then I will keep my fingers crossed.

Personally, I think he's the Max Unger of the defense.

Probowler, All Pro and concensus top 5 at his position?

I'll go with that!

Rickety. Overrated. Always gets a pass for poor performance.

 

[BASF]

I dunno. It's good to be enthusiastic, but all I saw in Williams was a chicken-legged brute with no real technique at all. He seems outrageously overrated by a lot of folks, but hey, if Pete and John see something in the guy, then I will keep my fingers crossed.

Personally, I think he's the Max Unger of the defense.

Was it you or Dom who said basically the same things about Bryant when he broke in?

 

[RolandDeschain]

Was it you or Dom who said basically the same things about Bryant when he broke in?

Dom was the Bryant hater.

 

[Recon_Hawk]

I dunno. It's good to be enthusiastic, but all I saw in Williams was a chicken-legged brute with no real technique at all. He seems outrageously overrated by a lot of folks, but hey, if Pete and John see something in the guy, then I will keep my fingers crossed.

Personally, I think he's the Max Unger of the defense.

Seems a bit early to write off Williams after only one pre-season.

Oh, that's right, that's pretty much what most people did after Max Unger's first year, as well. That comment makes sense, now. :sarcasm_off:

 

[Bigpumpkin]

I think that most here believe that Williams deserves another chance.....maybe some more than others.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

I dunno. It's good to be enthusiastic, but all I saw in Williams was a chicken-legged brute with no real technique at all. He seems outrageously overrated by a lot of folks, but hey, if Pete and John see something in the guy, then I will keep my fingers crossed.

Personally, I think he's the Max Unger of the defense.

Probowler, All Pro and concensus top 5 at his position?

I'll go with that!

Rickety. Overrated. Always gets a pass for poor performance.

You do know he was playing through serious injury this year?