Palmegranite
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Sorry mrblitz » but the latest scuttlebutt has C-Kap signing with the Panthers or, ....wait for it.....
the Patriots.
(Source= radio reports.)
the Patriots.
(Source= radio reports.)
5_Golden_Rings":321x3k5z said:I hate to bring this up again, but no, this is wrong. He was NOT a "one read" QB. That wasn't his weakness. It never has been. What follows could be noticed if you watched him carefully, but there is no need because a former 49ers coach who worked with him spilled the beans: reading defenses wasn't his weakness; anticipatory throwing was (along with his elongated release, which exacerbated that weakness).rlkats":321x3k5z said:Palmegranite":321x3k5z said:Don't you mean horrible one read QB with:rlkats":321x3k5z said:All politics aside, all I see is he was paid more not playing football than he EVER could as a horrible one read QB.
NFL records for most rushing yards by a quarterback in a single game (181 yards), most rushing yards by a quarterback in a single postseason (264 yards) that also led his team to their first Super Bowl appearance in almost 2 decades?
This guy sounds a bit like Cam Newton from 5 years ago.
What did Cam get paid this year?
Yes his major awards was running. Take that away and there you have a one read qb. You need an example? How about EVERY game against the hawks. How about the super bowl. His arm and shitty placement lost the game. Bottom line his running made him famous, his one reads were a joke. Every hawk fan and most Niners (honest) would say the same.
What appeared to be "one read" and run was really (usually) a presnap decision to run based on what appeared to be man coverage. It was a pretty successful strategy, considering his crucial runs through his short career.
Where he began to struggle was after the Cardinals game in 2015, when his long release and inability to throw with anticipation resulted in four INTs and two pick sixes. After that game he was even less trustworthy of his eyes (again, anticipatory throwing was his weakness... an inability to trust what he sees developing before it fully develops). You can see this very, very clearly in the Green Bay Packers game that followed shortly after: on one pass, he quickly made the correct read, to Anquan Boldin, but then hesitated. He hesitated because he was still gunshy, and was unwilling to let it rip with anticipation. He then double clutched, then threw very late, and one hopped it because the defense had finally started to close the hole around Boldin.
So, to summarize: reading defense wasn't Kaepernick's problem. Anticipation was. He had to see it before he threw it. That weakness was exacerbated by a long throwing motion, and it got much worse after a terrible game against the Cardinals where that weakness was fully exploited.
He did not return to functionality until the 2016 season, but at this point he still wasn't really throwing with anticipation, but was instead being extra cautious, taking more sacks and throwing the ball away more.
EDIT- to elaborate: what looks like Kaepernick freezing after his first read is covered is not that at all. What is really happening is he is making the right read but then hesitating to throw the ball because he has a need to see it open before he throws it (as opposed to throwing the WR open, or releasing the ball prior to the WR makes his break). He generally made the right read during his career, but failed to release the ball with the necessary timing of a successful NFL QB due to his hesitancy to throw with anticipation, along with his long release, which made him doubly gunshy. This was always a mental block, but it wasn't what you all think it was.
sutz":3l97lbe5 said:After all the poutrage about Kaep, I think this is hilarious. :twisted:
I think it’s MORE fatal in some cases. At least a one read qb will let it rip. You’re more likely to win throwing two tds and two ints than zero of either but taking seven sacks and only converting one third down.MontanaHawk05":4iegth76 said:Lack of anticipatory throwing is just as fundamental and fatal weakness for a QB as being one-read.
5_Golden_Rings":1mu86u7g said:I think it’s MORE fatal in some cases. At least a one read qb will let it rip. You’re more likely to win throwing two tds and two ints than zero of either but taking seven sacks and only converting one third down.MontanaHawk05":1mu86u7g said:Lack of anticipatory throwing is just as fundamental and fatal weakness for a QB as being one-read.
The_Z_Man":35e7sas7 said:The NFL settled because the lawsuit would have given the player's union access to NFL documents they could use in negotiations.
That was the reason the player's union went all in backing up Kaep in this lawsuit. They're pissed at him he settled.
The union didn't care about him, what they wanted was access to certain communications between owners that they could bring to the bartering table.
Not because of any collusion evidence against Kaep.
They're paying out 80 million to one guy to save paying out an extra billion to the players two years from now.
Well, that is certainly a reasonable motive for the NFLPA, and even the NFL for settling, but that is quite immaterial to whether or not Kaepernick’s lawyers had evidence of collusion.The_Z_Man":soxb5xfs said:The NFL settled because the lawsuit would have given the player's union access to NFL documents they could use in negotiations.
That was the reason the player's union went all in backing up Kaep in this lawsuit. They're pissed at him he settled.
The union didn't care about him, what they wanted was access to certain communications between owners that they could bring to the bartering table.
Not because of any collusion evidence against Kaep.
They're paying out 80 million to one guy to save paying out an extra billion to the players two years from now.
5_Golden_Rings":178sy9m4 said:Well, that is certainly a reasonable motive for the NFLPA, and even the NFL for settling, but that is quite immaterial to whether or not Kaepernick’s lawyers had evidence of collusion.The_Z_Man":178sy9m4 said:The NFL settled because the lawsuit would have given the player's union access to NFL documents they could use in negotiations.
That was the reason the player's union went all in backing up Kaep in this lawsuit. They're pissed at him he settled.
The union didn't care about him, what they wanted was access to certain communications between owners that they could bring to the bartering table.
Not because of any collusion evidence against Kaep.
They're paying out 80 million to one guy to save paying out an extra billion to the players two years from now.
My question is this: why would the NFL be forced to hand over communications to the NFLPA unless they LOST, and how could they lose unless there was actual evidence of collusion?
rlkats":32jbri9l said:Here is the major problem. Kaep HAD HAD HAD an offer from the Denver Broncos. He turned it down because he felt that he was starter material with a large salary. He did not sign because of the cash offer. Then he opted for free agency. I’m not saying no team owners talked and said don’t sign the guy, but can it be this collusion thing was played perfect from the beginning by Kaep? Knowing darn well he would sue and the NFL would pay to shut him up. To me the guy is $ driven. If he really felt he was talented he could have signed a short term deal with the donkeys and if he was as good as some are thinking (blindly). He then could have written his own check.
But then again it is easier to protest (rightfully so) and sue the nfl for collusion to get easy money than it is to perfect his craft of being a great QB.
rlkats":30u6f5xf said:Here is the major problem. Kaep HAD HAD HAD an offer from the Denver Broncos. He turned it down because he felt that he was starter material with a large salary. He did not sign because of the cash offer. Then he opted for free agency. I’m not saying no team owners talked and said don’t sign the guy, but can it be this collusion thing was played perfect from the beginning by Kaep? Knowing darn well he would sue and the NFL would pay to shut him up. To me the guy is $ driven. If he really felt he was talented he could have signed a short term deal with the donkeys and if he was as good as some are thinking (blindly). He then could have written his own check.
But then again it is easier to protest (rightfully so) and sue the nfl for collusion to get easy money than it is to perfect his craft of being a great QB.
chris98251":9dmdf2nf said:rlkats":9dmdf2nf said:Here is the major problem. Kaep HAD HAD HAD an offer from the Denver Broncos. He turned it down because he felt that he was starter material with a large salary. He did not sign because of the cash offer. Then he opted for free agency. I’m not saying no team owners talked and said don’t sign the guy, but can it be this collusion thing was played perfect from the beginning by Kaep? Knowing darn well he would sue and the NFL would pay to shut him up. To me the guy is $ driven. If he really felt he was talented he could have signed a short term deal with the donkeys and if he was as good as some are thinking (blindly). He then could have written his own check.
But then again it is easier to protest (rightfully so) and sue the nfl for collusion to get easy money than it is to perfect his craft of being a great QB.
TO TO TO be a back up, at that time he was still a starter in many peoples minds in a system that allowed him to play his style.
mrt144":2e4lebzf said:rlkats":2e4lebzf said:Here is the major problem. Kaep HAD HAD HAD an offer from the Denver Broncos. He turned it down because he felt that he was starter material with a large salary. He did not sign because of the cash offer. Then he opted for free agency. I’m not saying no team owners talked and said don’t sign the guy, but can it be this collusion thing was played perfect from the beginning by Kaep? Knowing darn well he would sue and the NFL would pay to shut him up. To me the guy is $ driven. If he really felt he was talented he could have signed a short term deal with the donkeys and if he was as good as some are thinking (blindly). He then could have written his own check.
But then again it is easier to protest (rightfully so) and sue the nfl for collusion to get easy money than it is to perfect his craft of being a great QB.
In what way is it easier to defer 4 years worth of salary on the hope that you'll win or settle your case in excess of that sum? Also, how bad is the NFL at managing situations that it was possibly easier for Kaep, yes, that Kaep, to pull one over on them by simply being patient?
How broken is the NFL that patience is more lucrative than actually playing?
That+ his Nike money. Being a "victim" truly pays in America. Sacrifice everything!HawkGA":2rgbk6ew said:
massari":y17ct3q8 said:That+ his Nike money. Being a "victim" truly pays in America. Sacrifice everything!HawkGA":y17ct3q8 said:
Jussie Smollett just wanted some Kaepernick money.
Marvin49":2cb8k31a said:massari":2cb8k31a said:That+ his Nike money. Being a "victim" truly pays in America. Sacrifice everything!HawkGA":2cb8k31a said:
Jussie Smollett just wanted some Kaepernick money.
See, thats the kind of comment that drives me crazy.
When did Kap "play victim". His social stance is kneeling for OTHER PEOPLE who don't have a voice. All he did as kneel and answer questions posed to him directly. It was EVERYONE ELSE who blew this thing up.
That's why I've said from the start that the league played this wrong from the very beginning. All they had to do was step away and let him do his thing and it would have blown over. Instead, many owners exposed themselves as out of touch and let them selves be bullied by POTUS.
Jussie Smollett? Please. That dude is a disgrace. He has done nothing but hurt the cause. He pisses me off because all his saga does is give people who wear red hats (this isn't pointed at you) something to point at and say its ALL BS. Its not.
The_Z_Man":2e761616 said:Marvin49":2e761616 said:Jussie Smollett? Please. That dude is a disgrace. He has done nothing but hurt the cause. He pisses me off because all his saga does is give people who wear red hats (this isn't pointed at you) something to point at and say its ALL BS. Its not.
What about people who wear blue hats? lol
There are many disgraces, Smollett is just one in a long line of hoaxes that have been perpetrated over the last few years.
I think the underlying problem is that the internet connecting everyone has made everyone feel "small", we are no longer in little ponds where every fish has their moment to be noticed, so the need to feel important has created a society where everyone needs to be special in some way, and if you aren't particular motivated or focused, or athletic, or talented, or pretty enough to make duck lips on Instagram, the best way you can achieve attention is by being more pathetic than someone else... hence the victim culture.
You see it every day on Facebook. Someone gets a frakking cold, you have to listen to a week of posts on how much they are suffering...
One wonders what Kaep might have achieved had he put more energy into being a better football player.