Looking at what we did

[seedhawk]

Vannett has the makings to be Bavarroish.

Interesting, because I think he will be a J Carlson clone who can actually block.

 

[vin.couve12]

This thread kind of went bad. I don't think Kearly's the least bit out of line in thinking that some of these picks are heavily compartmentalized and limited in growth potential. Not all of them per se, but with some of them I would definitely agree.

The big thing and good thing is that from the horses mouth this morning, there are some of these draft picks that won't make the team in favor of possibly an existing player on the roster or a UDFA and as JS said, that's fine. That's not to say that I don't wish them success, particularly on behalf of the Seahawks, but it's good that there are no forgone conclusions like many are assuming on the board. They will absolutely have to earn it. Hell, some of the UDFAs we got have higher upsides than some of our draft picks.

As of right now, I'd say half of our picks are outright potential cuts in Vannett, Collins, Hunt, Lawler, and Brooks.

Odhiambo will have to stay healthy in a tougher NFL to be able to gain necessary experience or fall behind and even Jefferson will have to face and beat very stiff competition. Those two are potential redshirt "injuries."

New doesn't mean better and there's a reason why "where are they now" threads exist.

 

[vin.couve12]

Vannett has the makings to be Bavarroish.

Interesting, because I think he will be a J Carlson clone who can actually block.

Chris went old school on that one, but if you watched Mark Bavarro play you'd know that Carlson basically would have been Bavarro if he could actually block. Well....that and he'd have to be able to carry a few guys for extra yards on his back from time to time and generally just be tougher, but whatever...

 

[hawknation2016]

This thread kind of went bad. I don't think Kearly's the least bit out of line in thinking that some of these picks are heavily compartmentalized and limited in growth potential. Not all of them per se, but with some of them I would definitely agree.

The big thing and good thing is that from the horses mouth this morning, there are some of these draft picks that won't make the team in favor of possibly an existing player on the roster or a UDFA and as JS said, that's fine. That's not to say that I don't wish them success, particularly on behalf of the Seahawks, but it's good that there are no forgone conclusions like many are assuming on the board. They will absolutely have to earn it. Hell, some of the UDFAs we got have higher upsides than some of our draft picks.

As of right now, I'd say half of our picks are outright potential cuts in Vannett, Collins, Hunt, Lawler, and Brooks.

Odhiambo will have to stay healthy in a tougher NFL to be able to gain necessary experience or fall behind and even Jefferson will have to face and beat very stiff competition. Those two are potential redshirt "injuries."

New doesn't mean better and there's a reason why "where are they now" threads exist.

If Vannett or Hunt were released, I would be surprised. They really need a true Y-TE and backup center.

This class has the potential to produce BY FAR the most starters since 2012. From 2013-15, no class produced more than two starters. Ifedi and Reed are already being discussed as Day One starters at RG and NT, respectively.

Then you add Odhiambo competing with Britt to start at LG, Hunt competing with Lewis to start at center, Vannett competing with Willson to start at Y, and now you're suddenly looking at a class that has a realistic shot at producing twice as many starters as any other class in the last four years.

Guy like Jefferson and Procise certainly have the athleticism and talent to be in the mix for rookie playing time. Collins, Lawler, and Brooks could breakout and find roles as well.

I think it is undeniable that this is a draft class (not to mention the extraordinary UDFA class) that has the potential to make a massive contribution going forward.

 

[vin.couve12]

It's not undeniable at all. It's all paper right now.

Vannett's blocking is bi-polar. He'll engage and get good effort and results one time, whiff badly or be hesitant to even engage another. His coach at OSU says he's more of a receiving TE. Why is that? What does he know in his years of working with the kid? He could be right and he could be wrong.

Hunt gets rocked by a decent bull rush. What is he going to face from NFL NTs and 1 techs most of the time? A decent bull rush. I know what PFF says about him, but when I see that at the COLLEGE level there's a great cause for concern.

Odhiambo wasn't able to stay healthy at LT in college. Now he's being translated to LG in the NFL where he'll have to deal with more bodies around his legs in the trash instead of on the edge.

What people are saying right now and even what Pete and John are saying right now has to be taken with a grain of salt. It's all paper. For cryin' out loud, all we hard about for over 2 years, right down to the day we cut him, was how great Turbin was.

I have little doubt about Ifedi's ability overall though or Reed's ability to be a 2 down player. It's questionable if Reed is a 3 down player.

The others you mentioned that could break out...yeah, they could.

I'm not saying this is a bad draft. I like the vast majority of it, just don't rent a hotel in downtown Seattle for the parade in February yet. Most of these picks are about competition and not handing over keys.

 

[hawknation2016]

It's not undeniable at all. It's all paper right now.

Vannett's blocking is bi-polar. He'll engage and get good effort and results one time, whiff badly or be hesitant to even engage another. His coach at OSU says he's more of a receiving TE. Why is that? What does he know in his years of working with the kid? He could be right and he could be wrong.

Hunt gets rocked by a decent bull rush. What is he going to face from NFL NTs and 1 techs most of the time? A decent bull rush. I know what PFF says about him, but when I see that at the COLLEGE level there's a great cause for concern.

Odhiambo wasn't able to stay healthy at LT in college. Now he's being translated to LG in the NFL where he'll have to deal with more bodies around his legs in the trash instead of on the edge.

What people are saying right now and even what Pete and John are saying right now has to be taken with a grain of salt. It's all paper. For cryin' out loud, all we hard about for over 2 years, right down to the day we cut him, was how great Turbin was.

I have little doubt about Ifedi's ability overall though or Reed's ability to be a 2 down player. It's questionable if Reed is a 3 down player.

The others you mentioned that could break out...yeah, they could.

I'm not saying this is a bad draft. I like the vast majority of it, just don't rent a hotel in downtown Seattle for the parade in February yet. Most of these picks are about competition and not handing over keys.

That's why I wrote the POTENTIAL is undeniable.

Vannett's blocking does need to become more consistent. But when you compare him to the other options on the roster, it's not much of a contest. His huge frame and reliable hands are on a different level from Willson or Helfet. I don't see any realistic chance that he gets released if he's healthy. I think Russell Wilson is going to love Vannett as a safety valve.

I have watched all the readily available tape on Hunt, and I don't see a guy who gets rocked in pass pro, as you claim. I see a thickly built, barrel-chested center who anchors extremely well. Taking a step back to anchor against a bull rush is NOT the same thing as getting rocked or allowing pressure. I see Hunt seizing the backup center job and providing a reliable alternative to Lewis. Might he totally bomb? Sure, but you can say that about any 6th Round pick. Center is a position where it can benefit a player to have a low center of gravity. I see that happening with Hunt.

Odhiambo really impresses me the more I watch him. His technique is stellar, he mirrors well, is a natural bender, takes great angles in the run game, and plays with violent hands. The fact is ANYONE can get hurt in the NFL. The team was confident enough about his physical state to make him a 3rd Round pick. That's enough reassurance for me until Odhiambo shows otherwise.

All this talk about guaranteeing a Super Bowl is a straw man argument that I never made. What I am talking about is the large number of players who have the clear potential to make a great contribution to this roster as starters. And if just three players go on to become starters, this class will already be the most productive in that regard since 2012.

 

[ImTheScientist]

The fact that Seattle traded a future pick as part of a deal today further solidifies the idea in my mind that Seattle is pushing their chips in the center this year. Which is probably wise, given that the schedule gods have gifted Seattle the most favorable sched of the PCJS era. It makes sense to be aggressive right now.

I disagree. They have the luxury to trade a pick from next year because they know they have comp picks that are coming. If you really like a guy you go get him.

 

[McGruff]

I'd be willing to bet 2 starters Ina draft is league average.

 

[Natethegreat]

This thread kind of went bad. I don't think Kearly's the least bit out of line in thinking that some of these picks are heavily compartmentalized and limited in growth potential. Not all of them per se, but with some of them I would definitely agree.

The big thing and good thing is that from the horses mouth this morning, there are some of these draft picks that won't make the team in favor of possibly an existing player on the roster or a UDFA and as JS said, that's fine. That's not to say that I don't wish them success, particularly on behalf of the Seahawks, but it's good that there are no forgone conclusions like many are assuming on the board. They will absolutely have to earn it. Hell, some of the UDFAs we got have higher upsides than some of our draft picks.

As of right now, I'd say half of our picks are outright potential cuts in Vannett, Collins, Hunt, Lawler, and Brooks.

Odhiambo will have to stay healthy in a tougher NFL to be able to gain necessary experience or fall behind and even Jefferson will have to face and beat very stiff competition. Those two are potential redshirt "injuries."

New doesn't mean better and there's a reason why "where are they now" threads exist.

Not sure why you and Kearly are so down on Alex Collins but I am willing to bet whatever you want that he makes this team. Collins will be a big part of this team no way in hell he gets cut unless he can't hold onto the ball (obviously Petes big on that) but as far as talent he has loads of it.
He has the best vision of any of the draft picks in this class imo plus the ability to navigate the middle and make plays with tiny openings.
He doesn't quite have the base and core strength of Marshawn but he is still a very talented back more than capable of being the number one back. He is far and a way better than Turbin was/is which is the comp Iv'e seen from you guys and its silly.

I do agree that Hunt gets pushed back pretty easy. Its the one pick that left me scratching my head.

 

[McGruff]

I saw Hunt getting rocked with the initial punch, but recovering to control his man. I saw him get rocked 2 yards, but never pushed back into the pocket. It wasn't like he was a blocking sled back there.

That does reveal a concern at the next level as opponent strength increases. But guess whose strength will also improve? Hunts.

For some reason we assume only other teams players will get better.

 

[Smellyman]

Calling players a 'specialist' before they even play doesn't make it true.

 

[pehawk]

I think were missing the point of this draft. It wasn’t about getting Seahawky, athletic freaks. The Seahawks already have that…in spades. This draft was about infusing massive amounts of, at least competent, competition. Culturally the sheer quantity will add energy to practices and the squad. And on the field this new depth will safeguard the 2016 from having to overcome the lethargy which plagued the 2015 team.