Malcolm Butler plays for the Cards? SB49 reenactment today

[vin.couve12]

Moore's effort? You don't have to make up lies to make yourself feel better about your lord. The DB was off coverage, read it, and had straight line to the ball where asthe receiver is shoulder turned and running 90 degrees from where the DB is running.

You let a midget run at you at 90 degrees and hit your shoulder when you're in stride and see what happens. DB saw it and immediately had the advantage.

Belief will never override physics. Stop lying.

To be clear, DAL and SEA are really similar and Russ being clearly better than Dak will be the difference, but damn...fairy tales don't cut it.

 

[hawknation2018]

They finished one over the NFL record for fewest turnovers.

Doeant mean its not a bad play

Of course it was, never said it wasn't.

The biggest problem was timing. It was a rub route on 3rd and 3. Russell needed to throw the ball sooner.

I also understand the criticism of Moore because he has disappeared lately. He’s a young guy who is still developing his awareness. If the ball is out quicker, Moore has a better shot to make a play.

 

[BASF]

For the most part the play is something that sets up other plays later in the game or the season. Watch the TD that Tyler Lockett had where he was completely open. The DBs bit up hard on the short routes and Lockett could have jogged in.

 

[BigMeach]

Moore's effort? You don't have to make up lies to make yourself feel better about your lord. The DB was off coverage, read it, and had straight line to the ball where asthe receiver is shoulder turned and running 90 degrees from where the DB is running.

You let a midget run at you at 90 degrees and hit your shoulder when you're in stride and see what happens. DB saw it and immediately had the advantage.

Belief will never override physics. Stop lying.

To be clear, DAL and SEA are really similar and Russ being clearly better than Dak will be the difference, but damn...fairy tales don't cut it.

You're so right, how could everyone not see it? The play was called for Moore to basically walk to his spot. That's how you run routes right? Slow jog?

 

[WestcoastSteve]

Rustle needs to throw it a bit lower. Lower chance of int, at worst knock down

It was a better throw than the Super Bowl throw. The defender outfought Moore for the ball. Moore has played pretty poorly the last few weeks. He's dominant at high-pointing the ball but his work on intermediate routes has been meh.

 

[vin.couve12]

Moore's effort? You don't have to make up lies to make yourself feel better about your lord. The DB was off coverage, read it, and had straight line to the ball where asthe receiver is shoulder turned and running 90 degrees from where the DB is running.

You let a midget run at you at 90 degrees and hit your shoulder when you're in stride and see what happens. DB saw it and immediately had the advantage.

Belief will never override physics. Stop lying.

To be clear, DAL and SEA are really similar and Russ being clearly better than Dak will be the difference, but damn...fairy tales don't cut it.

You're so right, how could everyone not see it? The play was called for Moore to basically walk to his spot. That's how you run routes right? Slow jog?

It’s intended to be almost like a screen and if he sprints after that cut then he runs right into the LB with no chance of RAC, which is the point. If the ball is out sooner then it "might" be fine, but veteran CB made a veteran read and jumped it. It's not a goal line situation where you need a yard on a slant. The intention is to make space, not run the WR directly into an OLB or SS to get flat backed, concussed and out of the game.

If a defense knows what you're going to do, chances are you ain't doing it. If a defender knows what you're going to do, they'll beat you to the punch, as they say.

 

[Spin Doctor]

That play is a standard play in the NFL. Most teams run a variation of it, especially the high octane passing offenses. The thing is, you have to use the right personnel and have the right skill set to run it properly. Moore on the kind of play is a mistake, as it was with Lockette in the Superbowl. You have to have a wide receiver like Engram, Locket, or Baldwin running that play. Guys that have good route running abilities, and chemistry with the Quarterback. Moore does not fit that profile. He is not a precise route runner. He has a couple of routes he does well, and he is very good at coming down with contested balls. This play did not match his skill set.

Wilson also has some blame. His ball placements on timing routes like these is less than ideal, he also seems to be a tad bit late more often than not. In this case the ball placement was a bit questionable. Wilson's problem is that we simply don't run these plays in our offense often. This is the kind of play you need to spend a ton of time practicing and honing. You need to be in tune with your receiver, and his tendencies. You have to have the right rhythm, and cadence. Get it right and the pass is almost impossible to defend, get it wrong and this happens. I'm not a big fan of running this play, because it takes a lot of time to get down correctly, and it isn't something we run very often. It's hard to build proper chemistry, and timing under these circumstances.

 

[vin.couve12]

There's nothing hard or tricky about the route or the concept. The ball is supposed to be directly on the WR right after he turns for a natural screen. In fact, it's one of the biggest gimme pass plays there are. The balk was way late and also high. The QB is supposed to trust the play concept and just throw it (assumig pre-snap reads are there), not wait for the guy to show as "open." That's literally what NOT to do. The fact that it was high also gets the WRs feet off the ground. If it were a good, accurate, and most importantly timely throw then it just would have been incomplete or a tackle. The fact that the CB read it makes thst window tight, but there's no magical nonsense. The truth hurts.

 

[Spin Doctor]

There's nothing hard or tricky about the route or the concept. The ball is supposed to be directly on the WR right after he turns for a natural screen. In fact, it's one of the biggest gimme pass plays there are. The balk was way late and also high. The QB is supposed to trust the play concept and just throw it (assumig pre-snap reads are there), not wait for the guy to show as "open." That's literally what NOT to do. The fact that it was high also gets the WRs feet off the ground. If it were a good, accurate, and most importantly timely throw then it just would have been incomplete or a tackle. The fact that the CB read it makes thst window tight, but there's no magical nonsense. The truth hurts.

That is kind of what I was getting at here. The play when done correctly is very hard to defend, hell Hasselbeck made a career out of these types of passes. It is a bit hard to get down though if it isn't something you practice often. That sort of play is not a mainstay in our offense. It's a timing route where you're trusting your WR to be where you throw your ball at any given time. It requires a good sense of timing, and trust in your receiver, as well as good ball placement. You're throwing to the spot where your WR is going to be right before they break on the route. A staple play in most NFL offenses.

 

[BASF]

Agreed with the last couple of posters, however, this is one of those instances where Wilson's height comes in to play. The lane between RG and RT has to be where it is supposed to be when it is supposed to be and if it is not then Wilson has to wait for it to be there. Most of the other QBs in the league can throw over their linemen.

 

[Northwest Seahawk]

Moore looks slow to me the past few weeks and not at all like a guy we can count on going forward . WR and O-line still look like areas Seattle needs to get better at. O-line I think is trending in the right direction we have a lot of guys hurt right now. Next year I think the O-line will be even better with Simmons and some other guys that got hurt in training camp back and healthy. If Baldwin isn't on the field the offense really takes a big step back in the passing game. Tyler is great but he can't be the only viable option when Doug is out. They really need to find another good WR and right now neither Moore or Brown are that guy.

 

[Sox-n-Hawks]

From now on Russ should pump fake hard and run left on that play.

 

[chris98251]

That route needs to have the ball get there at the cut or the WR come back for it, you can't wait on a ball in the flat, DB's are too quick and fast and can cover that and run thru the WR and pick it if he is standing there waiting on it.

 

[Spin Doctor]

From now on Russ should pump fake hard and run left on that play.

Some Quarterbacks do something similar, it's the no-look pass or "looking off a defender". This technique is how QB's with sub-par athleticism and arm strength are able to be successful in the NFL. The QB will not look straight into the direction of the defender or direct the safeties with their eyes, then throw the ball to their intended target. This technique is how QB's with no athleticism, or arm strength like Matt Hasselbeck were able to have successful careers.

It is little intricacies like this that make the QB position so difficult. In order to make simple timing routes work properly there is a lot going on. You have to know where the receiver is going to be, and you have to throw it right before the break in the route. If there is hesitation on the behalf of the wide receiver or the Quarterback the results are disastrous. In the "we want the ball and we're going to score" play, Hasselbeck's INT was because of the receiver hesitating, and Hass throwing the ball where the play was supposed to be.

It is a simple concept, but a lot of moving parts need to be on the same page. Russ was late throwing the ball, and Moore screwed up his route. Russell Wilson also telegraphed his intentions, and didn't look off his receiver. It was a failure from every angle. I surmise that Pete doesn't like this style of play, because of the potential for disastrous results. Even with Hasselbeck under Jermey Bates we didn't like to run these routes. We seem to only have a couple of plays that seem to utilize this concept in the playbook. Other teams have offenses that are predicated on it, like say the Patriots.

I don't think Wilson has ever developed these finer nuances of Quarterback play. Not because of his inability, but because of Pete Carroll's conservative views on the offense. It isn't something that is part of our playbook in a significant way, and even under Hasselbeck, a QB who thrived on this style of play we didn't run it often.

 

[BigMeach]

Moore's effort? You don't have to make up lies to make yourself feel better about your lord. The DB was off coverage, read it, and had straight line to the ball where asthe receiver is shoulder turned and running 90 degrees from where the DB is running.

You let a midget run at you at 90 degrees and hit your shoulder when you're in stride and see what happens. DB saw it and immediately had the advantage.

Belief will never override physics. Stop lying.

To be clear, DAL and SEA are really similar and Russ being clearly better than Dak will be the difference, but damn...fairy tales don't cut it.

You're so right, how could everyone not see it? The play was called for Moore to basically walk to his spot. That's how you run routes right? Slow jog?

It’s intended to be almost like a screen and if he sprints after that cut then he runs right into the LB with no chance of RAC, which is the point. If the ball is out sooner then it "might" be fine, but veteran CB made a veteran read and jumped it. It's not a goal line situation where you need a yard on a slant. The intention is to make space, not run the WR directly into an OLB or SS to get flat backed, concussed and out of the game.

If a defense knows what you're going to do, chances are you ain't doing it. If a defender knows what you're going to do, they'll beat you to the punch, as they say.

It was for a 1st down on 3rd and 3, the play and location were decided before ball was even snapped based on Moores mans positioning off. Problem is Moore didn't fill in behind Lockett quickly like he's supposed to, right after Lockett runs off his man to vacate space for the 1st down.

That play is designed to get the 1st down without YAC.

Have you gone back and watched it since it aired? I'm wondering if you're recalling from memory because it seems like we're talking about two different plays.

 

[WestcoastSteve]

Moore's effort? You don't have to make up lies to make yourself feel better about your lord. The DB was off coverage, read it, and had straight line to the ball where asthe receiver is shoulder turned and running 90 degrees from where the DB is running.

You let a midget run at you at 90 degrees and hit your shoulder when you're in stride and see what happens. DB saw it and immediately had the advantage.

Belief will never override physics. Stop lying.

To be clear, DAL and SEA are really similar and Russ being clearly better than Dak will be the difference, but damn...fairy tales don't cut it.

You're so right, how could everyone not see it? The play was called for Moore to basically walk to his spot. That's how you run routes right? Slow jog?

It’s intended to be almost like a screen and if he sprints after that cut then he runs right into the LB with no chance of RAC, which is the point. If the ball is out sooner then it "might" be fine, but veteran CB made a veteran read and jumped it. It's not a goal line situation where you need a yard on a slant. The intention is to make space, not run the WR directly into an OLB or SS to get flat backed, concussed and out of the game.

If a defense knows what you're going to do, chances are you ain't doing it. If a defender knows what you're going to do, they'll beat you to the punch, as they say.

It was for a 1st down on 3rd and 3, the play and location were decided before ball was even snapped based on Moores mans positioning off. Problem is Moore didn't fill in behind Lockett quickly like he's supposed to, right after Lockett runs off his man to vacate space for the 1st down.

That play is designed to get the 1st down without YAC.

Have you gone back and watched it since it aired? I'm wondering if you're recalling from memory because it seems like we're talking about two different plays.

He is, if you watch it agaun Moore looked stunned the defender was coming.