Odd man out

[morgulon1]

We probably have a top 3 WR core and might even be the best now with the addition of JSN but who is our 4th receiver Dee Eskridge or Dareke Young?
I’m thinking Young personally but with the way Geno has been pumping up Dee this Spring I’m beginning to wonder. I think Young brings a bigger, more reliable target. Is Dee the odd man out?

I think they'll keep both. My question is does Bobo (UDFA UCLA) make the 53 ? I have a feeling he might be a good player.

 

[Hawkmode]

I get your point, and I agree that Dareke Young is an athletic marvel. But it hasn't translated into productive numbers yet, on the college or NFL level. And I know lots of great players come from lesser programs, like Tariq Woolen from UTSA. Cooper Kupp came from Eastern Washington, and even though that's a D1 school, it's not exactly a powerhouse. What I meant is that by contrast, Jake Bobo has succeeded in a pretty tough D1 conference.

I'm just saying that most often--not always, but often--actual production is a better indicator of future success than performance on athletic tests. (Case in point, Cooper Kupp--great college career numbers, not so great combine numbers.)

I like Dareke Young, and I hope we keep him on the practice squad if he doesn't make the 53-man roster. All I'm saying is don't be surprised if Jake Bobo plays his way ahead of Dareke. Pure speculation at this point, way ahead of training camp and preseason games. I don't know anymore than anyone else here, probably less than most of you.

Your not "off the mark' concerning Bobo who flashes in the Red Zone "assassin role"...but DK not likely to give up that role...and Colby Parkinson seems to be Red Zone option "B". As for even a light "dig" on Dareke's "lack of production" its fairly tough to take target snaps away from DK and Tyler...let alone the newly arrived JSN...so Dareke is "stashed" as a stellar Special Teams Demon. Whenever Pete is asked about how the WR look...he'll name drop Dareke without being prompted...a good sign?

 

[rjas77]

A luxury to complain about? JSN demands immediate respect as WR3...so WR4/5 will be specialists with spot appearances with heavy doses of Special Teams roles...gunners/returners. Dee has not given up and still trying to escape "pretender" status into "contender" role for Geno's attention. We all call Tariq the freak...but Dareke is kinda a freak as well...

Dareke Young has immense athleticism coupled with LB size (like DK). Tariq (the Freak) is a converted WR while Dareke is a WR blend of DK/Riq in his athleticism/size.

DK (6'3" 228) 34.9" arm length with 4.33 speed (40 yd dash)/ 40.5"(vert)/ 1.48 (10 yd split) with 4.5 (shuttle) and 7.38 (3 cone).

Dareke (6'2" 224) 32 5/8" arm length with 4.44 speed (40 yd dash)/ 37"(vert)/ 1.54 (10 yd split) with 4.19 (shuttle) and 6.88 (3 cone).

Woolen (6'4" 205) 33 5/8" arm length with 4.26 speed (40 yd dash)/ 42"(vert)/ 1.47 (10 yd split) with 4.3 (shuttle) and 7.10 (3 cone).

DK also had 27 reps of 225lbs in bench press while Dareke had 22 reps compared to Tariq who had 12 reps.

Dareke is waiting in the wings while being a ST demon (as if DK/Tyriq were playing on ST)

 

[Throwdown]

Dareke

I don’t trust a mf named bobo or Eskridge

 

[BlueTalon]

I'm just saying that most often--not always, but often--actual production is a better indicator of future success than performance on athletic tests. (Case in point, Cooper Kupp--great college career numbers, not so great combine numbers.)

That flashes me back to Jamison Konz who, if memory serves, was selected in the 7th round in Pete/John's first draft here. Off the chart measurables, but never turned into anything.

 

[FattyKnuckle]

Dareke

I don’t trust a mf named bobo or Eskridge

There’s a great, lesser known Peter Sellers movie called The Bobo. Has one of, if not the best time transitions in cinema history. Give it a watch and learn to like the bobo.

 

[bileever]

Your not "off the mark' concerning Bobo who flashes in the Red Zone "assassin role"...but DK not likely to give up that role...and Colby Parkinson seems to be Red Zone option "B". As for even a light "dig" on Dareke's "lack of production" its fairly tough to take target snaps away from DK and Tyler...let alone the newly arrived JSN...so Dareke is "stashed" as a stellar Special Teams Demon. Whenever Pete is asked about how the WR look...he'll name drop Dareke without being prompted...a good sign?

You're absolutely right that Dareke's role on special teams probably elevates him. I don't see Bobo supplanting DK or Lockett or JSN. If he makes it, it will be as the 5th receiver, or on the practice squad. But I doubt he'll be the force on special teams that Dareke Young is, and that may be the deciding factor.

 

[Smellyman]

You're absolutely right that Dareke's role on special teams probably elevates him. I don't see Bobo supplanting DK or Lockett or JSN. If he makes it, it will be as the 5th receiver, or on the practice squad. But I doubt he'll be the force on special teams that Dareke Young is, and that may be the deciding factor.

that's sure going out on a limb

 

[RiverDog]

Starting to agree. I just don’t get the hype from Pete and Geno talking like he’s Tyreke Hill or some shit. He’s proven nothing except that he can’t stay on the field

Pete does that all the time. It's a motivational tactic of his. He doesn't always mean what he says as it's intended solely for the subject, in this case, Eskridge. When it comes to discussing his players, you have to take what Pete says with a grain of salt. He's always going to blow smoke up their tails. Geno is likely following suit, either that or Eskridge is a personal friend who he wants to see succeed.

I can't see Eskridge being on this roster come September. It's an overstocked position, and as others have pointed out, Eskridge can't stay on the field. IMO he gets traded for a 3rd day pick, with strings attached.

 

[Hawkmode]

Pete does that all the time. It's a motivational tactic of his. He doesn't always mean what he says as it's intended solely for the subject, in this case, Eskridge. When it comes to discussing his players, you have to take what Pete says with a grain of salt. He's always going to blow smoke up their tails. Geno is likely following suit, either that or Eskridge is a personal friend who he wants to see succeed.

I can't see Eskridge being on this roster come September. It's an overstocked position, and as others have pointed out, Eskridge can't stay on the field. IMO he gets traded for a 3rd day pick, with strings attached.

Hmmm you probably offered similar comments when Pete boasted about Geno before last year started...why insinuate understanding when clearly being driven by opinion...whether you feel like many agree or not? Eskridge can't stay on the field is very judgemental when such a phrase normally implies a player who allows small injuries to keep him off the field.

Some of the real ire toward Dee is the "arrogance" John Schneider "showed" by selecting Dee Eskridge in the 2nd rd of 2021...when "everybody" knew Creed Humphrey was the best choice. Many teams passed on the rare left handed center...even KC risked passing on the center the first time around.

So why Dee? What was John thinking? Perhaps John thought Dee could have an impact on kick/punt returns...something we've been lacking since the earliest days of Tyler Lockett? Maybe Dee lacking the letters b and o for his first name was projected as a "poor man's" Deebo Samuel. Dee flashed plenty of explosive plays on college film to envision he might be the fly sweep guy Shane could "toy" with.

Concussions aren't commonly experienced in the general public so severe concussions might provoke the casual NFL fan into thinking the recent attention is mere drama...aren't these guys "tough enough"?

You probably feel comfortable making such strong opinions of Geno's sincerity (toss in DK's high praise for what he's seen in Dee) because you know there is a portion of the fan base who like you feel comfortable in dissing players whose NFL dream quickly "turns to smoke" by unfortunate injuries. Gotta hate those Jamal Adams/CJ Procise/Rashaad Penny "types" always "dodging" making themselves available ...but you spare those injured "too late to draw your ire" like Chris Carson and Sherm and Kam...at least they avoided the "early bullet" while demonstrating they were special players...not really singling you out...but "hating" should never become popular for "events" out of someone's control...finished.

 

[Hawkmode]

My last bit of Dareke Young content:

Dareke Young: NFL Draft Prospect Interview

By: Justin Melo February 26th, 2022 The Draft Network

Every year, we witness a small-school prospect light up an annual all-star event by putting forth a performance that forces NFL talent evaluators to revisit their collegiate tape while handing them an improved draft grade. Lenoir-Rhyne's Dareke Young is that player in 2022.

The talented receiver was a big winner at East-West Shrine Bowl's weigh-in process, clocking in at 6-foot-2 and a rocked-up 223 pounds with a wingspan shockingly north of 79 inches. When it came time to hit the field, Young’s combination of size and speed was difficult for opposing defensive backs to deal with.

From a talent perspective, I felt like I was on the same level as the D-I guys. That’s just my honest evaluation. I knew I was going to have a successful week because I know what I’m capable of. I know how much hard work went into the process. I put everybody on notice. It was a good week for me. I built a lot of relationships with the coaches and scouts in attendance. It was a successful week for me.

JM: You were also one of the big winners at the weigh-in process, clocking in at 6-foot-2 and 223 pounds with a wingspan greater than 79 inches. Did you hear any positive feedback from teams regarding your measurements?

DY: I heard a ton of positive feedback from teams regarding my measurements. Everybody was thrilled with the results.
Being the size that I am, a lot of people don’t expect me to move as fast as I can. I was moving really fast throughout those practices at the East-West Shrine Bowl. I’m going to continue showcasing my speed and overall movement abilities throughout this process.

JM: The Shrine Bowl gave you an opportunity to compete against defensive backs from some of the biggest Division I programs in the nation. What do you think that did for your draft stock?

DY: I feel like I definitely boosted my draft stock out there. I understand how to use my size and speed to my advantage. It was on full display. I don’t feel like I was hindered by the chance to compete against D-I cornerbacks. Not at all. If anything, I proved that I belong at that level. I was out there running crisp routes and making big plays in the passing game. I made the most of every rep and ball that came my way.

JM: You certainly did. You will be labeled a “small-school prospect” throughout this process. It’s inevitable and happens to multiple prospects every year. How do you typically respond to that label?

DY: It just makes me carry a chip on my shoulder. It’ll be that way for the rest of my career. I don’t look at it as disrespectful or anything like that. I come from a small school. It is what it is. I don’t think people are questioning my overall talent and ability to play at the next level. I just happened to play five years at Lenoir-Rhyne. It gives me a chip on my shoulder. I feel like I was more than capable of playing at a bigger school. I just didn’t get that opportunity.

JM: You’ve proven that every step of the way. Do you feel like Dugger helped put Lenoir-Rhyne on the map? Have you noticed an uptick in the attention you’ve received since Dugger exploded onto the scene?

DY: I definitely feel like Dugger put Lenoir-Rhyne on the map. He was a second-round draft pick from a D-II school. He’s off to an extremely successful career with the New England Patriots. When the scouts came to our program to see him, they saw me as well. I’ve been told that I passed the eye test on those initial visits.


JM: It helped all parties involved. You’ve talked a lot about your size and speed as a receiver. It jumps off the screen. Do you have a favorite route to run?

DY: I love running a post route. I ran quite a few posts during one-v-one drills at the East-West Shrine Bowl and I won those routes and reps. I would definitely single out the post route. I’m built for that.

JM: You also have some experience playing special teams. You’ve returned kicks and punts. What do you enjoy about playing special teams?

DY: It’s another role you have to play. A lot of guys don’t love playing special teams, but I’ve never felt that way. I’m a guy that’s going to do whatever it takes to win. I recall my freshman year in college, I wasn’t playing much on the offensive side of the ball yet. I was pretty much exclusively a special teams guy at that point. I was introduced to how important special teams were throughout that season.

I’ve played on every special teams unit throughout the past five years. I like playing special teams. I was on every special teams unit at the East-West Shrine Bowl as well and I was the punt returner for the actual game. If my NFL team needs me to play special teams, I’ll put my best foot forward and I can lean on my experience.

JM: I’ve really appreciated your time today. Why should a team use one of their draft picks on Dareke Young?

DY: I’m going to make the most of my opportunity. I’m going to take care of the rest. I’m a humble, hard-working guy first and foremost. I’ve always been a self-motivator. I’ve never needed anybody to push me to work hard. I’m always going to give it 111% to help the team win.

I try to go above and beyond. If that means playing special teams, being the second or third receiver on the team, or even our go-to receiver, I’m prepared for any and all situations because I’ve played through all of those experiences. If a team decides to put their faith in me, I’m going to repay that faith.

Still no joy??

 

[scutterhawk]

There’s a great, lesser known Peter Sellers movie called The Bobo. Has one of, if not the best time transitions in cinema history. Give it a watch and learn to like the bobo.

LOLOLOL I recall when I was a young lad, living in South Seattle (not that far South of where the Stadium now stands), my folks taking me & my Brother & Sisters to the zoo to see Bobo the Gorilla, I mean hey!, if y'all think that some of these Seahawks on the roster now are animals?, you ain't seen nuthin' 'til you see an ape sling a truck tire & flatten it out THWACK!!!

 

[Natethegreat]

I wish Jake Bobo the best but I highly highly doubt he makes the roster. Maybe a practice squad guy though.

 

[Donn2390]

100% this. Like they say, the best ability is availability! So far, Dee doesn't have that ability.

All of these negative comments on Dee were the same we heard one year ago about about he guy wearing number 7...!!
P&J were fools for bragging up an old, has been, clipboard holder. Sometimes they actually know something..!

 

[Spin Doctor]

All of these negative comments on Dee were the same we heard one year ago about about he guy wearing number 7...!!
P&J were fools for bragging up an old, has been, clipboard holder. Sometimes they actually know something..!

Carroll is also known for hyping players that they are about to cut. Yeah, he hyped up Geno but he’s also hyped up people that didn’t make the roster soon after.

 

[Hawkmode]

Carroll is also known for hyping players that they are about to cut. Yeah, he hyped up Geno but he’s also hyped up people that didn’t make the roster soon after.

You make a good point. The Head Coach often will parse his questions because he knows the impact media awareness has on our younger players. I offered Pete's boasting of Geno...but Geno and DK both made unprompted admiration of what they have seen from Dee during mini camp/OTA's. Dee Eskridge realizes his "window of opportunity" has narrowed quickly with the drafting of JSN...yet instead of hanging his head down he is impressing his team mates by maintaining his will to compete. His story is similar to M-Jack who has been ballin out even though Spoon places a dark shadow over M-Jacks opportunities.

 

[Hawkmode]

Not sure if those "knocking" Dee noticed...but in a "film session" focused on Walker III explosive runs...one of the key elements was seeing jersey #1 (Dee) take out a "would be tackler" letting K9 take off in 2nd gear. I didn't know Dee saw the field that much last year...let alone any impact as a WR in a run blocking role. Dareke and Dee offer roles that Shane can work with...

 

[FrodosFinger]

Not sure if those "knocking" Dee noticed...but in a "film session" focused on Walker III explosive runs...one of the key elements was seeing jersey #1 (Dee) take out a "would be tackler" letting K9 take off in 2nd gear. I didn't know Dee saw the field that much last year...let alone any impact as a WR in a run blocking role. Dareke and Dee offer roles that Shane can work with...

Dareke has been vastly better than Eskridge. I realize Dee was supposed to be our slot and playmaker but he has failed to impress. All wide receivers block on runs unless they want to be benched. JSN solves a lot of issues as we have lacked production from our slots in the past few years but Dee is on thin ice going into camp this year

 

[Hawkmode]

Dareke has been vastly better than Eskridge. I realize Dee was supposed to be our slot and playmaker but he has failed to impress. All wide receivers block on runs unless they want to be benched. JSN solves a lot of issues as we have lacked production from our slots in the past few years but Dee is on thin ice going into camp this year

Valid points...but my take is this...JSN is this year's WR1c hanging out in the WR3 slot which he played out of over 70% of his career. You saw Tyler Lockett look out of place running fly sweeps.

Speed and quickness is Tyler's forte but Tyler doesn't break many tackles (We don't need him to) but Dee is a better WR/RB blend with excellent speed and able to break tackles...his difficulty is in contested catches so fly sweeps should be "up his alley" joining Dareke (who beats out any UDFA as he waits his turn)