Blitzer88
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Interesting, excited to see Shead, Lane and Burley continue to improve.
massari":2i42x6je said:Like the Mariners, the Browns likely have to overpay to get FA's to sign with them. Probably the case with Tramon.kearly":2i42x6je said:His base salary of $3.5 million this season was guaranteed as was his $3.5 million signing bonus. So $7 million lost, though any veteran free agent corner in his prime would cost about the same. A 32 year old Tramon Williams (the guy who gave up the game winning bomb to Kearse in the NFCCG) got more money than Cary Williams did.
If this is considered a big mistake for JS then it's only because he is part of the best organization in the NFL. The team made a value based decision and it didn't work out. Cary Williams in his prime is a better value than a 32 year old Tramon Williams. But even moneyball moves fail sometimes. Mariners fans will long remember Chone Figgins.
Is/was Cary Williams that much better than veteran CB free agents Alan Ball (1 year 3M / 1M guaranteed) and Charles Tillman (1 year 2M / 350k guaranteed) to warrant getting 3 years 18M / 7M guaranteed?
kearly":2v1tcu3u said:As far as Williams being cut. Pete has a long history of cutting or trading under-performing players between February and September. But if you are making a hefty paycheck and Pete cuts your ass during the season, it's pretty much always because of attitude and not buying in.
I don't know anything to prove it, but the way that Williams was benched and deactivated so quickly, and then cut for zero cash savings makes me think this decision came down to more than some on-field struggles.
bjornanderson21":28k0sa1c said:Im getting so sick of posters on here giving Pete and John a pat on the back for cutting a bad player they gave a "big" contract to.
Is it better to cut bait? Yes.
Does it excuse them from REPEATEDLY giving money to players who aren't worth it? NOT ONE BIT.
If i stole $100 from you and gave $20 of it back, would you give me a pat on the back for returning $20 or would you be mad that i still stole $80?
Pete and John have done a HORRIBLE job of giving contracts to players from other teams. The best they have been able to do is get a small discount from Bennett and Avril on "prove it" deals that were still significant.
There's probably only 1 or 2 GMs in the NFL who have been as bad as Schneider at giving out contracts, and im being generous.
Schneider was good for 2 or 3 years, but he has been absolutely horrible the last 2-3 years.
But don't let his horrible trades and free agent signings and mediocre drafts stop you from patting him on the back...
Scottemojo":1wfh1k39 said:Like the Percy cutting, word of what was really going on may leak out, but up to now the team has been very PC about how they describe Williams and supporting him.
Though it may turn out that it is just a roster move and there was no discord off the field. We have been carrying essentially a 52 man roster, and with Williams benched it was a 51 man roster. We can do 52, did it with Percy, but 51 starts to affect special teams too much.
kearly":q9jes08i said:Scottemojo":q9jes08i said:Like the Percy cutting, word of what was really going on may leak out, but up to now the team has been very PC about how they describe Williams and supporting him.
Though it may turn out that it is just a roster move and there was no discord off the field. We have been carrying essentially a 52 man roster, and with Williams benched it was a 51 man roster. We can do 52, did it with Percy, but 51 starts to affect special teams too much.
Couldn't Williams have played special teams though? If he fails at corner, fine. But he had the tools to be an excellent special teams player rest of season without any extra financial cost for this season (cutting Williams now versus the offseason provided zero financial savings).
Seattle will have to write a paycheck for whoever replaces Williams on the roster, so in a sense they basically paid money to make Williams go away.
Tillman was an option though, the Seahawks brought him in to Seattle for a visit before he signed with Carolina.Hasselbeck":3g4cw5tb said:massari":3g4cw5tb said:Like the Mariners, the Browns likely have to overpay to get FA's to sign with them. Probably the case with Tramon.kearly":3g4cw5tb said:His base salary of $3.5 million this season was guaranteed as was his $3.5 million signing bonus. So $7 million lost, though any veteran free agent corner in his prime would cost about the same. A 32 year old Tramon Williams (the guy who gave up the game winning bomb to Kearse in the NFCCG) got more money than Cary Williams did.
If this is considered a big mistake for JS then it's only because he is part of the best organization in the NFL. The team made a value based decision and it didn't work out. Cary Williams in his prime is a better value than a 32 year old Tramon Williams. But even moneyball moves fail sometimes. Mariners fans will long remember Chone Figgins.
Is/was Cary Williams that much better than veteran CB free agents Alan Ball (1 year 3M / 1M guaranteed) and Charles Tillman (1 year 2M / 350k guaranteed) to warrant getting 3 years 18M / 7M guaranteed?
Tillman was never an option given his injury history, especially since injuries put us in the market for a corner to begin with.