Osprey":3eipsu8g said:
I agree with a lot of the points you've made in this thread, but think you're making sweeping statements here.
Just a couple examples sans data mining:
Todd Bowles & Romeo Crennel back to DC after bombing out as HC.
*same for Ray Rhodes (shame on me for forgetting that one considering the Hawks connection)
This is a legit criticism given the sample sizes are so small.
But even so, seeing not only 5 of 8 black HCs in 2018 flame out plus them not all getting retread opportunities leads to the perception that something's awry. Because we can all name examples of whites who ascend to HC levels w/o going through the "channels," nearly all of whom if failed get a job title with another NFL team, or a HC/coordinator with a big college.
I think it interesting get bent over what's actually a very modest rule (just interview one minority) but don't acknowledge all the favoritism/bias what have you when it goes the other way toward white coaches:
McCarthy. Failed w/GB and Aaron Rogers. Not a "youth movement" coach. Spent a season amassing an untested model based on analytics, which is what got Peter King out there, which is what got him hired. If analytics are the answer, why isn't Cynthia Frelund getting offers at at least lower coaching levels, given that she developed the statistical model that the NFL network uses?
Judge. Failed both his positional responsibilities (ST and WR) almost as much as possible but still got the job.
Rhule: I guess a lot of people are high on him for turning around college teams that are on the fringe and training guys who went on to be in NFL. I mean, I would think there should be any number of black guys coaching college by now b/c of the player recruitment factor, but I don't follow much college and can't really say.
Then there's Rivera. Like Lewis, he was on the Panthers a long time, and took them further into the playoffs than Lewis did. It's not just that he did this, but that he's not specifically black. Any Rooney Rule favoritism is seen as not applying to him, even though he as a Latino is under Rooney Rule. He is seen more as a Saleh, who being of Arab descent doesn't qualify under federal race-protected class guidelines unlike blacks, Latinos, Asians and Pacific Islanders. I'm not even sure the Rooney Rule would apply to him.
The Rooney Rule is clumsy, but the resentment it gets for what it mandates (just talk to one nonwhite guy) is unreal especially given how much privilege exists and how it becomes more stark the higher you go.
True story: My sister's ex got involved in acting coaching the Bohemian Club for a while. For those who don't know, the Bohemian Club is a social club whose ostensible purpose is to have a couple plays that they put on for themselves every year. You cannot get tickets to these plays. If you are female, you are not allowed in this club officially.
What this really is, is a draw for magnates of industry to gather at Healdsburg (Sonoma County wine country) to whoop it around a campfire. Dude goes out there, and there's people yelling "BILL GATES POOSEY" because he's not draining the beer bong fast enough or whatever. The 2.0 of this in Silicon Valley are sex parties where women (usually realtors or personal trainers) are brought in, dosed with MDMA, and expected to do two or three hole performances because after all, we're all having a good time. Even though afterward, these VCs (mostly white and Indian) tell the media bluntly afterward that they'd never hire a chick who whored herself out like this.
When me and my white friend go out, he's the one they first talk to, despite me having the double Ivy education and the paid off house. Pretty much every nonwhite person has examples like this. We are taught and told that this is just normative. We (or at least I) get probably more irritated than most when there's a minority who attempts to abuse the process (i.e. Colin Kaepernick) by attempting to bring in a Nike crew at the last minute, and then selling shoes to woke mostly white people as a result. We know there's BS on the other side, but that doesn't preclude us seeing the BS that already occurs privileging white people on top of a minority stack. We all know where we measure up in that.