Pope is a Jet, Burley to Browns

[bigskydoc]

On the flipside, I don't know if Pope is talented enough to make it in this league on talent alone. He's the kind of guy that needs the right team and the right fit, and Seattle was that team. So it's a bit of a lose-lose for both Collins and Pope IMO. Collins would be better elsewhere, and Pope would be better here than in New York.

If what you say is true (it mirrors my opinion of the situation), then there is a very good chance the Pope is back with the Hawks before year's end, and we get the opportunity to complete the Prosise/ Collins/ Pope evaluation which, if we are honest, is more about the 2017-18 season than this one.

I think we have to give an incomplete grade for the pre-season to this position evaluation. The best way to finish the evaluation is to keep Prosise and Collins on the roster and let Pope go to another team or the PS. It's a gamble that Pope won't catch on long-term with another team. Collins and Prosise are much more likely to get long-term contracts with another team so we have to keep them on the roster.

If we wanted to complete the evaluation of the trio then it was Collins and Procise that had to be kept on the roster while gambling that Pope would be a available again in the future.

 

[CANHawk]

I'm more upset about losing Burley. Dude proved he could get it done when the games counted. Pre-season love affairs with flashy tailback are an annual affair; a regular season nickle back are much more valuable Imo...

But I'm sure they have a plan. They know Burley better than most and chose to move on regardless.

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[chris98251]

Well It's nice to see that the Jets felt strongly enough to put him on their 53 man roster and that those that seen something are not the idiots some people are making them out to be.

We'll know Oct 4th possibly how much we hit or missed when we go to New York .

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

Elliott is going to be a very good corner, Shead like coverage with a little more ability.

Pope type players are all over the Big 12 conference, he's not going to play more than special teams on a playoff caliber team. I'm glad he's going to be grabbing lunch less than 10 minutes from my work office and will get a chance in the bright lights of NYC....

At the end of the day, Pope or Burley do not bring enough special teams value, hence the trades that were made and the pieces brought in to shore up that end of the roster.....you cannot carry a specialist type of player like Pope, unless he's Devonte Freeman or Darren Sproles and I'm not ready to crown him yet. At least Pope and Burley are out of conference, when we don't see them. It's going to burn SF and OAK, when we make hay out of their spare parts.

 

[theincrediblesok]

Spencer Ware was my adopt-a-rookie a rookie in 2013. Not only did he have a killer college highlight reel, but in preseason action he showed vision, feel, power, and resiliency that legitimately deserved a degree of comparison to Marshawn Lynch. Unfortunately, for as talented as Ware was, his lack of explosiveness and speed made him a poor fit for Tom Cable, and by year two he was gone, understandably so.

Now he's with the Kansas City Chiefs, and suddenly he looks like the incredible running back I always though he should have been. The reason? The Chiefs scheme is a little different than ours, and a lack of explosiveness at RB isn't a kiss of death in their running game. Team fit and scheme fit MATTERS.

You all probably think I hate Alex Collins. I don't. I hate his fit in a read option offense. He just doesn't have the balance, resiliency, vision, feel, power, or suddenness to thrive in Tom Cable's bar fight system. Now, if you snap the ball under center and put Collins 7 yards deep in the backfield to give him a sprinting start at the handoff and give him a clear lane, he's going to get you a lot of 10-20 yard runs. There are teams in this league that run those plays regularly as a staple of their offense, and for teams like those, Collins is a no-doubter NFL player.

On the flipside, I don't know if Pope is talented enough to make it in this league on talent alone. He's the kind of guy that needs the right team and the right fit, and Seattle was that team. So it's a bit of a lose-lose for both Collins and Pope IMO. Collins would be better elsewhere, and Pope would be better here than in New York.

I loved Spencer Ware too, he was physical with his run which I loved, closes to Lynch. The front office loved him too, and if he was still here he would actually be in front of Michaels two years ago. The reason why the FO let him go was he had two DUI's with his stay here, it wasn't because of the fit but moreso because of his drinking problem.

 

[West TX Hawk]

I loved Spencer Ware too, he was physical with his run which I loved, closes to Lynch. The front office loved him too, and if he was still here he would actually be in front of Michaels two years ago. The reason why the FO let him go was he had two DUI's with his stay here, it wasn't because of the fit but moreso because of his drinking problem.

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Frank Clark?? Thomas Rawls?? If there's a talented enough player with a criminal and/or questionable background, PCJS will more times than not give them a second or third chance. Not with Derrick Coleman, however.

They just flat got it wrong with Ware and they got it dead wrong with Pope. Maybe it's just hit and miss with their RB evaluation and projection. They obviously nailed it with Rawls.

 

[West TX Hawk]

At the end of the day, Pope or Burley do not bring enough special teams value, hence the trades that were made and the pieces brought in to shore up that end of the roster.....you cannot carry a specialist type of player like Pope,

Pope returns kicks. What special teams value does Collins bring to the Hawks?

 

[Smelly McUgly]

I wonder if some posters last year were saying, "It would be nice to have Thomas Rawls, but if he doesn't make the team, who cares? He's just a UDFA that played well against third-stringers."

You'd think that after living through cuts from the 75 like Michael Bennett or as lesser examples, Spencer Ware and Jaye Howard, along with the success that many mid- and lower-round draftees have had here after smashing second- and third-stringers in the pre-season (our starting QB for one!) that people would be less quick to say things like eh, it's just fringe depth and I'll put all my faith in the FO.

 

[Tical21]

Burley wasn't good, he was jus better than our other nickel options when Lane was out. Hopefully that isn't the case anymore.

It's hard to sell me on a small, slow back, but man Pope ran like he knew how. Got himself a contract.

 

[mikeak]

Sad. Burley to the Browns.

Per Condotta.

I don't know the rules regarding this. Does a player picked up off of 53-man waivers automatically get a contract or is it a week to week deal.

I believe they take on the players prior contract.

So, they get the standard UDFA rookie 3-year contract that starts at 450K. And, given that is about 26,000 a wk for the 17-week season, they could end up making zero, or as little as 26K if they do, or do not, make it through wk 1 and then get cut. It's a pretty tenuous situation if you ask me.

All this talk about how NFL players should feel lucky to make such enormous amounts of money is a bit overblown if you ask me. Most of these players have worked their butt off for 10-14 yrs before they even become the rare football player that even gets an NFL tryout.

I agree with you but if they are on opening day roster salary for full season is guaranteed

 

[falcongoggles]

10-14 years of work?!? These guys getting their first contracts have been in the salary earning window for six months to three years. $600k is pretty damn good and they haven't sacrificed a lot of time. Subtracting off 14 years and some of the guys were 9. Unless your running a sweat shop in China (which pays terrible wages), they weren't able to work in the post college period.


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[RussB]

How did tharold simon manage to stay on the roster over burley? Ridiculous.

 

[Hasselbeck]

I'm depressed about losing Burley and not having a true backup nickel corner, especially with Lane's injury history. I feel our rigid height requirement for corners may have backfired.

Burley is Josh Wilson all over again. I think Elliott will replace him just fine

With this comment you have dropped it the bottom of credibility. He has been a good player for us. Why would you say this about a guy that came in when we needed a decent player to replace an injured one and actually make plays that help the defense?

Because he was an average CB? Serviceable sure, but we're not going to be sitting here in January going.. Damn Marcus Burley kept us out of the Super Bowl.

I'll trust John Schneider and Pete Carroll over Largent80 the message board poster though. Thanks.

 

[Hasselbeck]

How did tharold simon manage to stay on the roster over burley? Ridiculous.

Simon has a lot more potential. Whether or not he puts it together is a whole different story, but if you're planning on Lane to be healthy.. Burley is redundant on this roster.

 

[Hasselbeck]

Burley is Josh Wilson all over again. I think Elliott will replace him just fine

Wilson was a really nice player for a couple of years, unfortunately the "early peak, early decline" curse of the Tim Ruskell draft pick bit him just like so many others.

Personally, I liked what Elliot showed, albeit in a tiny sample size. I was suprised by the Burley cut, but he's a bit of a JAG, IMO.

Probably should have clarified that statement better.. I meant in board reaction to cutting him. I liked Wilson too, but when he was moved Josh Wilson became Deion Sanders in his prime basically.

Agree that Burley is a JAG

 

[drdiags]

I'm not sure how you could say a UDFA RB, picked up a week before TC opened should have a better shot at the roster than a RB you identified for a specific role and used a 3rd round pick for. Pope to me may end up another Justin Forsett story. Good for him that a team thought enough to put him on the 53 man roster and at least guarantee 3 weeks of pay.

I wasn't that heart broken when Forsett got snatched up by Indy. Same with Pope and the Jets.

Not sure I understand why the team keeps tossing draft picks in trades for DBs at the cutdown to 53. That is now Seisay, Burley, LJ McCray and the dude from the Raiders. Plus the 5th they gave up for McCray from the Chiefs. The others were 7th rounders I believe. Hopefully these two Safeties get a decent return on investment.

Burley must not have been a coach's favorite. As an armchair GM/Coach, he should have been active on Superbowl 49 game-day. Maybe he gives Edelman a better matchup than the injured Simon.

I'm rambling so back on topic, good for Pope. Too bad the NFL is such dweebs with this limited roster crud. But it is how they make money.

 

[theincrediblesok]

Frank Clark?? Thomas Rawls?? If there's a talented enough player with a criminal and/or questionable background, PCJS will more times than not give them a second or third chance. Not with Derrick Coleman, however.

They just flat got it wrong with Ware and they got it dead wrong with Pope. Maybe it's just hit and miss with their RB evaluation and projection. They obviously nailed it with Rawls.

Those guys had questionable background before stepping into the NFL, I'm talking about Spencer Ware's DUI after getting into the NFL. Even though he had his 2nd DUI after being cut, being cut had to do with them not needing him as a FB at the time. I would of loved it if they had given him the chance of being a RB instead but they did what they did.

Remember Scot McCloughan, Seahawks had to let him go as he had a problem with drinking. He was a very talent scout who help nab us alot of 2012 draft pick including Wilson. He is now with the Redskins as their GM.

At the time did we win the Superbowl with Spencer Ware, no. So will Pope be the reason why we won't make the playoffs this year, I don't think so. Trading to get Harvin and giving him a ton of money when he couldn't even play until the Superbowl could of derailed alot of teams, but somehow with the overreaction during that time you think we had already lost. The FO makes alot of boneheaded decision I will give you that, but in the end it doesn't matter as long as the core keeps things together. Pope wouldn't of been a core member, probably not until year 2 or so if we don't re-sign Michael, if not I'm pretty sure they might have a RB in mind for next year's draft pick who they could take earlier.

 

[BlueBlood]

What in gods name is with all the negativity? If the Hawks let them go then they werent good enough to make THIS team. Youd think that youd have some faith by now? Or naaa

 

[Smelly McUgly]

What in gods name is with all the negativity? If the Hawks let them go then they werent good enough to make THIS team. Youd think that youd have some faith by now? Or naaa

Right, like when this team (different regime, admittedly) cut Michael Bennett! He wasn't good enough to make THAT team, either, right?