Question about rules (Seahawks related)

[Popeyejones]

The penalty is called consistently: it's never called.

Opportunistically wanting it to be called simply because it's in the rulebook is the equivalent of 9ers fans who wanted excessive crowd noise to be called against the Hawks at the Clink because that's also in the rulebook.

That rule was eliminated EIGHT YEARS AGO.

New rules for 2007
NFL.com

Crowd noise: The five-yard penalty against the defense for excessive crowd noise has been eliminated. The penalty
had not been called in many years.

http://www.nfl.com/kickoff/story/09000d ... s-for-2007

Imagine that . . . a 49er fan stuck in the past.

It's still in the rule book.

See here: http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/timing

and the signal for it on the bottom left of page 102 here: http://static.nfl.com/static/content/pu ... 20Book.pdf

And before we get too far off track, I'll just remind that I brought it up as a stupid rule that's thankfully never enforced. :th2thumbs:

 

[bigtrain21]

And before we get too far off track, I'll just remind that I brought it up as a stupid rule that's thankfully never enforced. :th2thumbs:

What exactly does "thankfully not enforcing" a crowd rule have to do with a center moving his helmet intentionally to get the defense to jump offsides? If you were correct and officials simply ignored it, what would be "thankful" about that? It absolutely does get called but you actually think it would be stupid if they enforced it? Do you realize if it didn't get called there would be centers trying it on every play? The refs may let it go when it doesn't draw the defense offsides to keep the flow of the game going but they certainly will call it if they happen to see it and it draws the defense offsides.

 

[Popeyejones]

^^^^ you're trying to cook up something out of nothing. Neither rule is enforced. Seahawks fan rightly called foul when Unger got flagged for a head bob against the Redskins. Everyone agreed.

 

[Basis4day]

It's still in the rule book.

See here: http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/timing

and the signal for it on the bottom left of page 102 here: http://static.nfl.com/static/content/pu ... 20Book.pdf

And before we get too far off track, I'll just remind that I brought it up as a stupid rule that's thankfully never enforced. :th2thumbs:

It is not in the rule book. http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/timing is part of the NFL Digest of Rules. Which has the following disclaimer:

Digest of Rules

This Digest of Rules of the National Football League has been prepared to aid players, fans, and members of the press, radio, and television media in their understanding of the game.

It is not meant to be a substitute for the official rule book. In any case of conflict between these explanations and the official rules, the rules always have precedence.

In order to make it easier to coordinate the information in this digest, the topics discussed generally follow the order of the rule book.

You did later post the link to the rulebook as http://static.nfl.com/static/content/pu ... 20Book.pdf

However, there is no section in the rulebook that describes anything related to crowd noise, nor what the penalty is for such a violation.The hand signal diagram remains and that is the only reference to it. Considering that the cover sheet to the rulebook says "2013" and there have been rule changes since that time i think it's fair to say the webmasters of that section of the NFL's website have more important things to do.

 

[lobohawk]

Saw it during the SB on the last play and was ticked also. Announcer talking about how the Hawks gifted them out of the endzone, while completely missing the head pump. Knew Bill had called for it.

 

[bigtrain21]

^^^^ you're trying to cook up something out of nothing. Neither rule is enforced. Seahawks fan rightly called foul when Unger got flagged for a head bob against the Redskins. Everyone agreed.

I'm not trying to cook up anything. It was a missed call. That's all. It was disappointing. Saying it is not enforced is incorrect. It is enforced. It doesn't get attempted often because there is a 5 yard penalty on the offense and centers know it gets called. It was worth a shot for the NE center to try it and he got away with it.

 

[sekiuHAWK]

^^^^ you're trying to cook up something out of nothing. Neither rule is enforced. Seahawks fan rightly called foul when Unger got flagged for a head bob against the Redskins. Everyone agreed.

I'm not trying to cook up anything. It was a missed call. That's all. It was disappointing. Saying it is not enforced is incorrect. It is enforced. It doesn't get attempted often because there is a 5 yard penalty on the offense and centers know it gets called. It was worth a shot for the NE center to try it and he got away with it.

Though I agree with most of your points I do think it is rarely enforced. Bennett has been getting penalized all season for false starts; though the center is culpable most of the time... Go back and watch his false starts and you will see that many of them were because of movement by the center (hell, I know for a fact it happened in the NFC championship game). The fact is that this is a horrible rule especially when players are getting results by abusing a rule that could be called and is called on occasion. This rule needs to be rewritten so that no team can have an unfair advantage (interpretation needs to be removed from the rule). For example, the rule could read that the center is an exception and he may move his head freely as much as he likes to... At least Bennett would know in the back of his head that when he sees movement he shouldn't necessarily take off. How the rule is written now, players see movement and take off as fast as they can...

My issue isn't necessarily with the Super Bowl. It is with our players getting shafted all season by a pedestrian rule that could be written by a child in a pick up game. The NFL makes a shit ton of money yet this stuff seems to be okay with them. The NFL claims to care about eliminating judgement calls but rules like this remain. Big train mentioned earlier that this wouldn't mess with the flow further as the flow has already been messed with... This is a wonderful point. In fact it is such a great point because, if the rule was written better and enforced people wouldn't be trying to find loopholes and then there would be no offsides on either team... Thus improving the flow of the game... So, I don't see see how having better rules would endanger the flow of the game; if you really think about it the flow would improve.

 

[hawknation2015]

The penalty is called consistently: it's never called.

Opportunistically wanting it to be called simply because it's in the rulebook is the equivalent of 9ers fans who wanted excessive crowd noise to be called against the Hawks at the Clink because that's also in the rulebook.

That rule was eliminated EIGHT YEARS AGO.

New rules for 2007
NFL.com

Crowd noise: The five-yard penalty against the defense for excessive crowd noise has been eliminated. The penalty
had not been called in many years.

http://www.nfl.com/kickoff/story/09000d ... s-for-2007

Imagine that . . . a 49er fan stuck in the past.

It's still in the rule book.

See here: http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/timing

and the signal for it on the bottom left of page 102 here: http://static.nfl.com/static/content/pu ... 20Book.pdf

And before we get too far off track, I'll just remind that I brought it up as a stupid rule that's thankfully never enforced. :th2thumbs:

The rule has been eliminated . . .eight years ago. Those are just remnants of a now dead rule.