Russell Wilson leads the NFL in total yards & TDs (UPDATED)

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Wentz and Brady wouldn't survive behind the Hawk OL, except Brady would audible out of Bev's plays more and call a more quick pass offense and keep himself and the O alive. Since he's 7 inches taller than Russ and can read the defenses better he'd actually do well in the pocket as short lived as it is.

No he wouldn't. He would follow the system the coaches put in place. Brady is who he is by sticking to Belicheats system, which is that quick pass offense for the most part. He doesn't go sandlot like Wilson. Wilson's style is half the reason they don't get blown out. You can't gameplan his sandlot houdini plays.
 

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cymatica":3e78zowf said:
Seafan":3e78zowf said:
Wentz and Brady wouldn't survive behind the Hawk OL, except Brady would audible out of Bev's plays more and call a more quick pass offense and keep himself and the O alive. Since he's 7 inches taller than Russ and can read the defenses better he'd actually do well in the pocket as short lived as it is.

No he wouldn't. He would follow the system the coaches put in place. Brady is who he is by sticking to Belicheats system, which is that quick pass offense for the most part. He doesn't go sandlot like Wilson. Wilson's style is half the reason they don't get blown out. You can't gameplan his sandlot houdini plays.


Both PC and Bevell have aid it is part of their game plan.
 

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Anthony!":32k7yexn said:
cymatica":32k7yexn said:
Seafan":32k7yexn said:
Wentz and Brady wouldn't survive behind the Hawk OL, except Brady would audible out of Bev's plays more and call a more quick pass offense and keep himself and the O alive. Since he's 7 inches taller than Russ and can read the defenses better he'd actually do well in the pocket as short lived as it is.

No he wouldn't. He would follow the system the coaches put in place. Brady is who he is by sticking to Belicheats system, which is that quick pass offense for the most part. He doesn't go sandlot like Wilson. Wilson's style is half the reason they don't get blown out. You can't gameplan his sandlot houdini plays.


Both PC and Bevell have aid it is part of their game plan.

"Our game plan is to win with a bunch of undesigned plays by our ad-lib QB since we have no clue how to build a competent offensive line".

Really?
 

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I'm surprised Wentz isn't even in the top 5 of total yards with all the MVP hype he's gotten. Don't get me wrong, he's played really well and is an excellent player. However, Brady has much more of a case for MVP than Wentz. Cousins should get a little more talk than he has gotten too. Russell should be considered more if he can continue to produce but cut down on the turnovers a little bit. Turnovers is the tale of the tape for me so far this season for MVP talks and QB's.

Wilson - 13 turnovers (8 int, 5 fum)
Cousins - 10 turnovers (6 int, 4 fum)
Wentz - 9 turnovers (5 int, 4 fum)
Brady - 8 turnovers (3 int, 5 fum)
 
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I'm surprised Wentz isn't even in the top 5 of total yards with all the MVP hype he's gotten. Don't get me wrong, he's played really well and is an excellent player. However, Brady has much more of a case for MVP than Wentz. Cousins should get a little more talk than he has gotten too. Russell should be considered more if he can continue to produce but cut down on the turnovers a little bit. Turnovers is the tale of the tape for me so far this season for MVP talks and QB's.

Wilson - 13 turnovers (8 int, 5 fum)
Cousins - 10 turnovers (6 int, 4 fum)
Wentz - 9 turnovers (5 int, 4 fum)
Brady - 8 turnovers (3 int, 5 fum)

Wilson has only lost two fumbles this year: the one against GB and the one against ATL. So that is 10 total turnovers for Wilson.
 

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Agree. Wilson has lost 2 fumbles this year = 10 total turnovers.
 

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hawknation2017":n16196p7 said:
DJrmb":n16196p7 said:
I'm surprised Wentz isn't even in the top 5 of total yards with all the MVP hype he's gotten. Don't get me wrong, he's played really well and is an excellent player. However, Brady has much more of a case for MVP than Wentz. Cousins should get a little more talk than he has gotten too. Russell should be considered more if he can continue to produce but cut down on the turnovers a little bit. Turnovers is the tale of the tape for me so far this season for MVP talks and QB's.

Wilson - 13 turnovers (8 int, 5 fum)
Cousins - 10 turnovers (6 int, 4 fum)
Wentz - 9 turnovers (5 int, 4 fum)
Brady - 8 turnovers (3 int, 5 fum)

Wilson has only lost two fumbles this year: the one against GB and the one against ATL. So that is 10 total turnovers for Wilson.
Those were all from ESPN so they must be listing fumbles as ones lost and ones recovered by their own teams. 10 is better on the turnovers, however that means that the other QB's fumble #'s may be skewed as well. Even at 10 RW is tied for the most of the 4 QB's listed. So I still think he needs to cut down on turnovers to be really considered a possibility for MVP. That, and be a little bit more efficient.
 

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Updated turnover #'s with fumbles that were actually lost to the opponent:

Wilson - 10 turnovers (8 int, 2 fum lost)
Cousins - 10 turnovers (6 int, 4 fum lost)
Wentz - 7 turnovers (5 int, 2 fum lost)
Brady - 6 turnovers (3 int, 3 fum lost)
 

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Some really good QB's on that list. Really impressed with Wentz, he seems very focuses and like a pretty good dude.
Philly finally got something right out there.
 

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renofox":23urzmba said:
Anthony!":23urzmba said:
cymatica":23urzmba said:
Seafan":23urzmba said:
Wentz and Brady wouldn't survive behind the Hawk OL, except Brady would audible out of Bev's plays more and call a more quick pass offense and keep himself and the O alive. Since he's 7 inches taller than Russ and can read the defenses better he'd actually do well in the pocket as short lived as it is.

No he wouldn't. He would follow the system the coaches put in place. Brady is who he is by sticking to Belicheats system, which is that quick pass offense for the most part. He doesn't go sandlot like Wilson. Wilson's style is half the reason they don't get blown out. You can't gameplan his sandlot houdini plays.


Both PC and Bevell have aid it is part of their game plan.

"Our game plan is to win with a bunch of undesigned plays by our ad-lib QB since we have no clue how to build a competent offensive line".

Really?


I did not say the whole plan but it is part of our game plan, per PC and DB
 

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DJrmb":2s4q8h1j said:
Updated turnover #'s with fumbles that were actually lost to the opponent:

Wilson - 10 turnovers (8 int, 2 fum lost)
Cousins - 10 turnovers (6 int, 4 fum lost)
Wentz - 7 turnovers (5 int, 2 fum lost)
Brady - 6 turnovers (3 int, 3 fum lost)

The biggest difference is Rw makes up over 80% of our offensive yards and over 96% of our offensive TDs so being higher in TO makes sense

Brady makes up- 72% of total yards and 76% of total offensive tds
Cousins makes up- 71% of total yards and 70% of total offensive tds
Wentz makes up- 62% of total yards and 75% of total offensive tds
Wilson makes up 83% of total yards and 96% of total offensive tds

Enough said
 

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cymatica":382rpgpy said:
Seafan":382rpgpy said:
Wentz and Brady wouldn't survive behind the Hawk OL, except Brady would audible out of Bev's plays more and call a more quick pass offense and keep himself and the O alive. Since he's 7 inches taller than Russ and can read the defenses better he'd actually do well in the pocket as short lived as it is.

No he wouldn't. He would follow the system the coaches put in place. Brady is who he is by sticking to Belicheats system, which is that quick pass offense for the most part. He doesn't go sandlot like Wilson. Wilson's style is half the reason they don't get blown out. You can't gameplan his sandlot houdini plays.

No, Brady is who he is because he's a damn good QB - quite possibly the GOAT.

Russell had the benefit of a super-stacked team upon his arrival in Seattle, including a HoF running back.

He has struggled a bit to prove his own ability to dominate/lead but think this year he might have turned the corner in that regard, something which is especially remarkable given the O-Lines he has had to play with.

He's not an MVP this season, but a top 5 QB for sure with potential to go further if given a proper supporting cast including an coaching staff upgrade.
 

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semiahmoo":1tmkowcy said:
cymatica":1tmkowcy said:
Seafan":1tmkowcy said:
Wentz and Brady wouldn't survive behind the Hawk OL, except Brady would audible out of Bev's plays more and call a more quick pass offense and keep himself and the O alive. Since he's 7 inches taller than Russ and can read the defenses better he'd actually do well in the pocket as short lived as it is.

No he wouldn't. He would follow the system the coaches put in place. Brady is who he is by sticking to Belicheats system, which is that quick pass offense for the most part. He doesn't go sandlot like Wilson. Wilson's style is half the reason they don't get blown out. You can't gameplan his sandlot houdini plays.

No, Brady is who he is because he's a damn good QB - quite possibly the GOAT.

Russell had the benefit of a super-stacked team upon his arrival in Seattle, including a HoF running back.

He has struggled a bit to prove his own ability to dominate/lead but think this year he might have turned the corner in that regard, something which is especially remarkable given the O-Lines he has had to play with.

He's not an MVP this season, but a top 5 QB for sure with potential to go further if given a proper supporting cast including an coaching staff upgrade.


When Russell arrived, the only part of our team that was truly stacked was our defense

If great defenses was mainly what determined the success of a team, Blake Bortles would be heading to the Super Bowl, as were all the other teams with a top defense

Russell has proven for years that even when the defense slips, he can carry the load. Lynch succeeded in large part because he had Russell's read option to feed off of. Brady has not had to deal with nearly as much as Wilson this year. The idea that Russell isn't in the MVP conversation is just another example of holding our GREAT Qb to a different standard
 

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Russ will never be accepted by some. I see ot with people around me. I also see the complete opposite with Russ. He is a god.

My favorite seahawks QB of all time.

Side note, wentz seems like a great guy. Anyone see the e60 episode about him and the cancer boy?
 

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It is what it is with Russ. Blatant refusal to accept him is always going to be part of it.
Meh, to each his/her own. By far the best QB in team history, and one of the best in football.
 

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I mean, RB was pretty stacked in 2012... BTW, the total yard percentage only works in MVP voters' minds if the team is winning. David Johnson had some insane percentage of his team's scrimmage yards last year for a RB, but the team sucked so no one considered him for MVP. I think that if we make the playoffs and Russ finishes with around 32 passing TDs and 10 or fewer picks, he has a great shot!
 

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If he pulls the "huge upset" (other people's words, not mine) on Sunday, that would put him smack in the middle of consideration for sure.
 

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SoulfishHawk":2aqst3z7 said:
It is what it is with Russ. Blatant refusal to accept him is always going to be part of it.
Meh, to each his/her own. By far the best QB in team history, and one of the best in football.

I agree but the pathetic part is, alot of those that will not accept him are the fans of his own team
 
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