SoulfishHawk
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So it's his fault they rarely block for him? :?
5 win team w/out him, period.
5 win team w/out him, period.
SoulfishHawk":1lrheodf said:So it's his fault they rarely block for him? :?
Ain't giving up MY seat on the Bandwagon to no wishy-washy Johnny-come-lately fans :mrgreen:GeekHawk":100fiwfb said:So much crow being self-served up in this thread, and so much blind RW hate. Made several of my brain cells self-destruct before I stopped reading. Problem with the self-serve crow is that when RW actually has a line these people will be either lurking exclusively, or sneaking onto his bandwagon.
No heat from me...I happen to agree with everything you're saying, ESPECIALLY the part about Ifedi playing at GUARD.BigBill1945":3gkormh5 said:I am impressed. You guys made some excellent points. I did not see anyone go off the rails with their analyses. From what I gather reading your comments is that it still comes down the O line, a running game and how Pete wants to use Russell. Being an old lineman and coaching the line I have my biases. I feel that games are won and loss on the line. That being said, I know I will take heat for this, but we got Jimmy Graham. He is a great receiver and probably pulled us out of a lot of jams this year with his TD catches. There is a price to pay. Pete was successful with the run game and I always had the impression he was a run first guy. Then he goes after Graham who cannot block. Add to this a line that has changed numerous times in the last two so much that one cannot keep track of the starters it is a recipe for disaster. If our line was better or coaching better on the line (make your choice) perhaps this would not have been an issue. We have had to go away from where our strength was ......the running game. When this happened, of course, Jimmy became more of an asset. I like Jimmy but Pete is going to have to make a choice. This is just me, I would rather have big good blocking tight end that can catch especially if we are going to run. Most of the teams are rushing guys from the outside to contain Russell. Whomever we place at tackles has to have mobility. Ifedi is more suited to be a guard than a tackle. IMO
GeekHawk":rqwmchoh said:So much crow being self-served up in this thread, and so much blind RW hate. Made several of my brain cells self-destruct before I stopped reading. Problem with the self-serve crow is that when RW actually has a line these people will be either lurking exclusively, or sneaking onto his bandwagon.
hedgehawk":phskq8fa said:It’s not blind RW hate.
RussB":z41i77jf said:Depends on the offensive line. Wilson has had a bad o line for so long now that he is just used to bailing the pocket so much. He gets pressured instantly and has to run around and try to make some schoolyard stuff happen. He even does it when he doesnt have to and actually has a clean pocket.
He just needs a consistent o line where he can make reads from the pocket and needs to have a good offensive coordinator dialing up the plays and game planning to attack defenses. No more of this scramble BS its not successful long term they need an actual offensive system. His mobility will still come in handy though.
I don't know that they are one of the easiest personnel deficiencies to work around. If you have Tom Brady and Peyton Manning then yes. But in the Eagles game and for a stretch in 2015 it did seem that Russell was able to operate in a quick(er) passing offense. I read analysis - wish I remembered where - where the approach was used vs the Eagles because they are a man-coverage team so rub routes were available. Presumably against predominantly zone teams your quick passes can get you in more trouble, e.g. a passing lane opens for Wilson but as the receiver flashes by he has to wonder if he's missing a safety or LB lurking just out of his window.MontanaHawk05":60lf0d2o said:[
We can keep griping about the line all we want, but the fact remains that problems on the line are actually one of the easiest personnel deficiencies in pro football to work around, and if the coaching staff doesn't do it, that's on them, not the line.
hawk45":3dlssiug said:I would modify your last sentence just a bit. I would say that the coaching staff can have a deep-bomb offense or a crappy cheap OL, but they can't have both. If Pete is allergic to quick passing, and only wants to pound the rock and take deep shots off of PA, then he can't simultaneously be el cheapo on the OL. It's perfectly valid for Pete to want to run his offense a certain way, but if he's going to be inflexible about quick passing then he'll have to be flexible somewhere else, e.g. the cap and the OL.
The way he's been doing it the last few years has just been schizophrenic self-sabotage on offense.
GeekHawk":fu8zhx17 said:hedgehawk":fu8zhx17 said:It’s not blind RW hate.
From you it's not. From one particular poster who I won't call out by name (but is obvious to anybody who reads this thread from end-to-end) it is. Blind RW hate, without reason.
MontanaHawk05":2bu7hcco said:Whereas good QB + meh OL has proven over and over again to be a viable strategy. That's how the Seahawks won it all.
Scorpion05":32ca630t said:Can we really stop with this Brady nonsense. Brady has all day to throw. When he doesn't, he folds like a cheap coward. When defenses play press coverage Brady still has to hold the ball. Brady has also never consistently been without a running game
hawk45":9c3a24pi said:MontanaHawk05":9c3a24pi said:Whereas good QB + meh OL has proven over and over again to be a viable strategy. That's how the Seahawks won it all.
I would say that good QB + serviceable OL + HOF RB is how we won it all. The last couple years we ruled out good QB + horrific OL + meh RB as a viable option.
MontanaHawk05":3baiekfh said:hawk45":3baiekfh said:MontanaHawk05":3baiekfh said:Whereas good QB + meh OL has proven over and over again to be a viable strategy. That's how the Seahawks won it all.
I would say that good QB + serviceable OL + HOF RB is how we won it all. The last couple years we ruled out good QB + horrific OL + meh RB as a viable option.
Fair.
TheLegendOfBoom":mfwudeml said:Todd Haley is available.
Let's get Haley in here for some offensive side spot and if/when Shottenheimer fails/gets let go you move Haley to OC and he'll help Wilson.