Salks take on Carroll and Russ

[LTH]

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I think this is interesting... it would answer a lot of the questions...


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[HomerJHawk]

This has been obvious for at least the last season and a half. Wilson's trade talk over the off-season was the shot over the bow.

Hasn't this already been discussed ad infinitum for.the last several months on this site?

There is a huge disconnect between players and coaches on both sides of the ball.

 

[rcaido]

Im with wilson, he tried to get a td. A professional kicker should make a 30+ fg.

 

[LTH]

If there is truly an issue, maybe Carroll should give Mike Holmgren a call, and have Mike coach QBs. I betcha he would do it....That would be an interesting thing to watch.


EDIT: Not only to see what Holmgren could do for Wilson but if Holmgren and Carroll could co exist in the same building. LOL

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[olyfan63]

Im with wilson, he tried to get a td. A professional kicker should make a 30+ fg.

Piss-poor situational awareness from Wilson. He had DJ Dallas on a checkdown for a 5 yard gain and a 1st down if Dallas breaks one tackle. Then EZ field goal for Myers makes it a 2-score game. Instead, Russell gives away net 20 yards (-15 yard sack, -5 not taking EZ checkdown) playing hero ball when it was ABSOLUTELY UNNECESSARY.
It does make Russ look selfish and ego-driven.

Any kick in a cold, snowy, windy situation is a crapshoot. Pete's absolutely right and Wilson is dead wrong. With just an incompletion, Myers makes the FG from 15 yards closer. Wilson's Hero-Ball cost the Seahawks the game.

 

[LTH]

Im with wilson, he tried to get a td. A professional kicker should make a 30+ fg.

Piss-poor situational awareness from Wilson. He had DJ Dallas on a checkdown for a 5 yard gain and a 1st down if Dallas breaks one tackle. Then EZ field goal for Myers makes it a 2-score game. Instead, Russell gives away net 20 yards (-15 yard sack, -5 not taking EZ checkdown) playing hero ball when it was ABSOLUTELY UNNECESSARY.
It does make Russ look selfish and ego-driven.

Any kick in a cold, snowy, windy situation is a crapshoot. Pete's absolutely right and Wilson is dead wrong. With just an incompletion, Myers makes the FG from 15 yards closer. Wilson's Hero-Ball cost the Seahawks the game.

Your absolutely right... Wilson was looking for Lockett in the end zone. But... Myer should have hit that FG. Not sure what happened if there was a big gust of wind or what but that ball looked good then it just jump left... weird play maybe that was the reason to hit a shorter FG..your right..


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[AgentDib]

It's easy to make too much out of throwaway press quotes when the coaches and players are just trying to get through it and back to their post-game routines. That quote from Russ does appear to be a microcosm of a bigger issue though.

The field goal in that situation leads to a two score game and a win. A touchdown is always nice for the stats, but doesn't move the win probability likelihood much more than the FG would have. Our objective on offense once we were in range should definitely have been to get the highest percentage field goal possible while not taking any chances with the football.

 

[Throwdown]

It was stupid football on Russ’ part. There no two ways about it, he cost us the game by making Myers job harder.

 

[getnasty]

They didn't need a TD, sure move around and try to make a play but don't run backwards and take a sack when a FG seals the deal.

 

[xray]

That's just another example of how he takes a sack while trying to play his arrogant " Mr. Unlimited " character . He is not a team player . Wilson plays for Wilson . ukeface:

 

[Grahamhawker]

I don't see it as all arrogance. I think Russ is honestly trying to make a play to do whatever he can to win the game. A big driver behind that is overdependence on it from when the miracle backyard plays were happening with remarkable frequency. Russ, Pete, the whole team grew reliant. Now that his escapability is waning and defenses have adjusted, what takes it's place is the big question that has yet to be answered.

 

[LoneHawkFan]

I don't see it as all arrogance. I think Russ is honestly trying to make a play to do whatever he can to win the game. A big driver behind that is overdependence on it from when the miracle backyard plays were happening with remarkable frequency. Russ, Pete, the whole team grew reliant. Now that his escapability is waning and defenses have adjusted, what takes it's place is the big question that has yet to be answered.

But you DO see it as arrogance...you just don't understand what others are talking about when they use the term. You said it yourself, very next line..."I think Russ is honestly trying to make a play to do whatever he can to win the game."

That's the problem on this play. We didn't need him to do that- he took it upon himself to do that. He wanted to be the hero- he wasn't satisfied with allowing Myers to be the guy when he had a shot. He tried, he failed miserably, he gave Myers an extra 15 yards on a snowy, blustery field. There's NO excuse for it, man. None. It cost us the game.

The hubris of #3 cost the Seahawks the game, period. Plenty of blame to go around, to be sure, but the man we empower to be the leader of this team- the buck stops there, with him. Russell made an inexcusible, arrogance-driven decision in the context of this football game that cost his team a W.

 

[sutz]

Posted this in another thread, but I think it bears repeating:

Russ has always taken stupid sacks when trying to make creme brulee out of horseshit. He's always looking downfield, looking for that big miracle play and he won't admit that it isn't there when he should just dump the ball off or throw it away. 10 years in, you'd think he would have learned by now. Would Myers have made that kick from 25 instead of 39? Probably, but this year it is far from guaranteed.

This was a big team loss, breakdowns on O, D, and ST. :evil:

Dumb sack by Russ, Myers has lost all his confidence.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Im with wilson, he tried to get a td. A professional kicker should make a 30+ fg.

I think the point is the coach is being honest about the question, and the QB refuses to be self critical...which may be the larger issue here with what Salk and others have been saying about Russ for a long time.

The reason these bad plays keep happening is we have a QB who refuses to acknowledge that his negative plays are bad, and thus why he hasn't shown any growth or progressed as a QB.

And in fact has regressed.

 

[hoxrox]

Translation:

Pete: "We needed to be smarter right there and not take the sack for negative yards."

Russ: "I was just trying to score a TD."

Russ got defensive about his poor decisions after the Titans game too - "What I agree with is..."

There is a disconnect between coach and player.

Basically Russ does what he does. He has become uncoachable at this point.

 

[Grahamhawker]

I don't see it as all arrogance. I think Russ is honestly trying to make a play to do whatever he can to win the game. A big driver behind that is overdependence on it from when the miracle backyard plays were happening with remarkable frequency. Russ, Pete, the whole team grew reliant. Now that his escapability is waning and defenses have adjusted, what takes it's place is the big question that has yet to be answered.

But you DO see it as arrogance...you just don't understand what others are talking about when they use the term. You said it yourself, very next line..."I think Russ is honestly trying to make a play to do whatever he can to win the game."

That's the problem on this play. We didn't need him to do that- he took it upon himself to do that. He wanted to be the hero- he wasn't satisfied with allowing Myers to be the guy when he had a shot. He tried, he failed miserably, he gave Myers an extra 15 yards on a snowy, blustery field. There's NO excuse for it, man. None. It cost us the game.

The hubris of #3 cost the Seahawks the game, period. Plenty of blame to go around, to be sure, but the man we empower to be the leader of this team- the buck stops there, with him. Russell made an inexcusible, arrogance-driven decision in the context of this football game that cost his team a W.

Touche`

 

[rcaido]

Im with wilson, he tried to get a td. A professional kicker should make a 30+ fg.

I think the point is the coach is being honest about the question, and the QB refuses to be self critical...which may be the larger issue here with what Salk and others have been saying about Russ for a long time.

The reason these bad plays keep happening is we have a QB who refuses to acknowledge that his negative plays are bad, and thus why he hasn't shown any growth or progressed as a QB.

And in fact has regressed.

Russ has been pretty much the best QB this decade. All these negative plays he has, doesn't even come close to all the positive plays he had performed. You got to take good w/ the some bad plays, as he is the qB who is always trying to make something out of nothing.

There was like 10minutes left in the game...You go for a TD in that scenario. If he gets sack, Meyers should have made that FG.

 

[LoneHawkFan]

Im with wilson, he tried to get a td. A professional kicker should make a 30+ fg.

I think the point is the coach is being honest about the question, and the QB refuses to be self critical...which may be the larger issue here with what Salk and others have been saying about Russ for a long time.

The reason these bad plays keep happening is we have a QB who refuses to acknowledge that his negative plays are bad, and thus why he hasn't shown any growth or progressed as a QB.

And in fact has regressed.

Russ has been pretty much the best QB this decade. All these negative plays he has, doesn't even come close to all the positive plays he had performed. You got to take good w/ the some bad plays, as he is the qB who is always trying to make something out of nothing.

There was like 10minutes left in the game...You go for a TD in that scenario. If he gets sack, Meyers should have made that FG.

There were 7 minutes or so left in the game. To go up a FG would have been great. FGs are never a guarantee, especially on a snowy, frozen field with blustery winds. Really? So if you're RW, that's what you're thinking in your head when you decide to scramble and not throw the ball away? What a selfish prick!

Russell is not "pretty much" the best QB of the decade. Come on man.

 

[scutterhawk]

Im with wilson, he tried to get a td. A professional kicker should make a 30+ fg.

Yep, with the Kicker having missed that VERY MAKABLE 3-point field goal earlier in the game, likely put Russ into thinking that if we're within reach of another TD, why not at least try for it.
Problem with that is, Russ still hangs onto that 'Should Have Been Thrown Away' ball for too long, so that messed up play & Sack that took them out of Field Goal Range, was on him.
Love the guy, but he can & does make bad decisions now & then.
Somewhere there's a disconnect between Wilson & Carroll, I see a lack of urgency when they get into a lead, problem with that is, the other teams know that the Seahawks Defense is geared to not allow any big plays over the top, & say Fine, we'll take whatever the hell you give, ALL THE WAY down the field.
This strategy is what's missing from the Seahawks Offense, they wait until the 4th quarter to start playing with THAT urgency.
It used to pan out when Russ was more mobile, not so much in the last year & a half.

 

[justafan]

Wilson has always made a few bad decisions a game. This year with injuries,a new offense with a junk oc and bad luck the magic hasnt happened. His overall stats arnt that much different than other years considering he mangled his throwing hand. He is still a top 10 Qb.