Seahawks “get” that kneeling is disrespectful to Vet's

[Rocket]

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/sea ... zona-game/

We've all been told for decades that the concept of being offended is in the eye of the beholder? What if I say the N word and exclaim that I didn't mean anything bad by it? What if I lift a pretty girls skirt and laugh, saying that I meant it as a joke?

Why do a few NFL players think they can violate the "offensive" rule simply by saying they meant no respect to the flag and the soldiers. Just because a few say it's ok, does that really matter? Clearly the Seahawks "get" that kneeling is disrespectful because they all stood for Veterans Day, even Mr. Bennett. Clearly the Seahawks, even Mr. Bennett, got it. Doesn't logic dictate that the other 364 days are no different? If thousands of fans vote no with their tickets, and their butts, does it matter what the players intent might be, as being offensive is up to the one being offended, not the speaker.

This is the court of public opinion, and the answer is in the stands. A few teams had nearly empty stands this weekend.
Along with saying "i meant no disrespect", how 'bout we get a couple thousand words defining the problem, and a couple thousand more about how they think kneeling for the Anthem is going to fix the problem.

Much of what they're accomplishing is causing derision and dislike... of themselves.

 

[Mindsink]

Yeah, it was good to see players standing for the anthem this weekend.

Honestly, I hope there is some sort of blow back from all of this. At the end of the day, the players are still getting their paychecks. It's not hurting them where it needs to hurt the most -- their wallets.

Instead, by fans not attending games, not buying merchandise, canceling their Sunday NFL Ticket subscriptions, it really does nothing except hurt every day people who make their living selling hot dogs at the stadium, printing logos on hats, or working for a satellite TV company.

How will this lost revenue trickle down? Where do you think the league will make their cuts? I hope it somehow comes in the form of reduced salaries for players, but even if that does happen, it will only affect future players -- who had nothing to do with this anthem protest.

 

[StoneCold]

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/michael-bennett-all-the-seahawks-stand-for-anthem-before-arizona-game/

We've all been told for decades that the concept of being offended is in the eye of the beholder? What if I say the N word and exclaim that I didn't mean anything bad by it? What if I lift a pretty girls skirt and laugh, saying that I meant it as a joke?

Why do a few NFL players think they can violate the "offensive" rule simply by saying they meant no respect to the flag and the soldiers. Just because a few say it's ok, does that really matter? Clearly the Seahawks "get" that kneeling is disrespectful because they all stood for Veterans Day, even Mr. Bennett. Clearly the Seahawks, even Mr. Bennett, got it. Doesn't logic dictate that the other 364 days are no different? If thousands of fans vote no with their tickets, and their butts, does it matter what the players intent might be, as being offensive is up to the one being offended, not the speaker.

This is the court of public opinion, and the answer is in the stands. A few teams had nearly empty stands this weekend.
Along with saying "i meant no disrespect", how 'bout we get a couple thousand words defining the problem, and a couple thousand more about how they think kneeling for the Anthem is going to fix the problem.

Much of what they're accomplishing is causing derision and dislike... of themselves.

If you take things out of context you can say the mean anything you want. If you use the N word and you are doing so to make a larger point whose intent is to improve the lives of many people it might be OK. Context would matter. If you lift the skirt of a woman without her permission that is the crime of sexual assault and you should go to jail regardless of any point you think you're making.

The flag does not belong to the military, but Sunday did and, since they truly are not protesting the military, it was completely consistent that they stand on that day,

 

[Rocket]

In the context of the beginning of a sporting event, we play the anthem and we stand toward WHAT object, hand over heart?
At big sporting events, WHO escorts the US Flag? What is the name of the participants in this procession?
We're not talking "belong", we're talking about "with".

 

[Rocket]

If you take things out of context you can say the mean anything you want.

Not in my neighborhood, and we have a nationally known white supremacist living here somewhere. Said word is verboten unless you are of said racial makeup, save for SUCCESSFUL white comedians and then only quite carefully.

I believe that, in some circles, the flag/anthem/salute works the same way. The protesters either ignore this or they're just not privy to it because most are afraid to mention this issues because , well... it's about slavery at it's core.

 

[TestMo1337]

“We just wanted to support the vets,” Bennett said after the game, which was the Cardinals’ ‘Salute to Service’ night. “There’s this narrative that we don’t support the military, that we hate the military. But it’s never been about that."

Don't let Bennett's facts get in your way.

Just because you post a link, it doesn't mean that you read it and took meaning out of what was reported. This is clearly just linking an article so you can bash Bennett and his protest.

 

[Rocket]

I'm behind most of what Bennett's said, nothing here is about Bennett... perhaps reading posts is as important as reading links. That which is not there just might not be there, Bro. If I had disrespect for anyone it'd be Nessa's boy-toy, certainly not Michael Bennett. His ability to cast all this aside for a morning and perform at his capacity speaks volumes toward his character.

I was speaking not so much of the actions but of the explanations. Regardless of how hard you say "it's not about the military", many, I daresay most, differ with you. It's just a fact of life.
Again, maybe it will sink thru, being offended is in the eye of the beholder, not the speaker/writer. This was proven when Mr. Bennett rose to honor Veterans a scant few days ago. If standing is respectful toward the military, then doesn't that ipso facto prove that kneeling is therefore DISrespectful???

 

[StoneCold]

I'm behind most of what Bennett's said, nothing here is about Bennett... perhaps reading posts is as important as reading links. That which is not there just might not be there, Bro. If I had disrespect for anyone it'd be Nessa's boy-toy, certainly not Michael Bennett. His ability to cast all this aside for a morning and perform at his capacity speaks volumes toward his character.

I was speaking not so much of the actions but of the explanations. Regardless of how hard you say "it's not about the military", many, I daresay most, differ with you. It's just a fact of life.
Again, maybe it will sink thru, being offended is in the eye of the beholder, not the speaker/writer. This was proven when Mr. Bennett rose to honor Veterans a scant few days ago. If standing is respectful toward the military, then doesn't that ipso facto prove that kneeling is therefore DISrespectful???

I think you are arguing it's inherently disrepectful. Is it perceived by some as disrespect to the military? Yes. I understand that perspective, but it is not inherently disrepsectful to protest by kneeling in front of the flag that represents the idea that you should be able to protest. That some think it is, is why they've made clarifications. Why they stood at the AZ game was because that day was specifically about honoring the military. You want to conflate that because the military is often involved with the anthem that is always about the military, but as I said up thread the flag does not belong to the military. In addition it is only a symbol, not the actual thing or the ideas that make freedom so awesome.

 

[Rocket]

The problem being that many, not just some, would say it's inherently disrespectful to to protest the flag. Being legal doesn't make it less palatable.

My point was that when the Hawks, as a team, stood for the flag on Thursday, they were acknowledging that the flag and the military are intertwined. That didn't stop on Friday.

 

[Rocket]

This is clearly just linking an article so you can bash Bennett and his protest.

Absolutely not. I had a better retort but it flew the coop. I respect Bennett immensely, I disrespect Nessa's boy-toy.

 

[sutz]

The problem being that many, not just some, would say it's inherently disrespectful to to protest the flag. Being legal doesn't make it less palatable.

My point was that when the Hawks, as a team, stood for the flag on Thursday, they were acknowledging that the flag and the military are intertwined. That didn't stop on Friday.

Many....some....what does that even mean? When the discussion boils down to that, it becomes an argument wherein the loudest voice is most likely to win, whether or not it is the right argument. There are "many" people on both sides of the issue. The Seahawks all stood for the anthem after the Las Vegas massacre, too. Similar situations. I suspect things will revert to your uncomfortable side next week.

 

[Mindsink]

Am I the only one who has absolutely no idea what "Nessa's boy-toy" means? :?

 

[Mindsink]

I think Rocket's point flew over most people's heads here, and it makes perfect sense, and it explains why people are upset over kneeling.

Standing for the anthem is a show of respect. If it wasn't, then why stand (Veterans day or any other day)?

So if standing is respect, then kneeling is in defiance of that action (standing). Therefore, it's an act of disrespect. When players kneel, they are engaging in an act of disrespect as a form of protest. It's making a strong statement. It's no different than burning a flag.

 

[Osprey]

I think Rocket's point flew over most people's heads here, and it makes perfect sense, and it explains why people are upset over kneeling.

Standing for the anthem is a show of respect. If it wasn't, then why stand (Veterans day or any other day)?

So if standing is respect, then kneeling is in defiance of that action (standing). Therefore, it's an act of disrespect. When players kneel, they are engaging in an act of disrespect as a form of protest. It's making a strong statement. It's no different than burning a flag.

I'd replace respect with national unity. People are put off by the injection of politics into what was one of the few areas it hadn't intruded. Hell, i'm a political junky, and it bugs me.

 

[Osprey]

Am I the only one who has absolutely no idea what "Nessa's boy-toy" means? :?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nessa

Many of the Kaepernick detractors (myself included) attribute his new found activism to her influence.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/07/sports/colin-kaepernick-nfl-protests.html

 

[StoneCold]

I think Rocket's point flew over most people's heads here, and it makes perfect sense, and it explains why people are upset over kneeling.

Standing for the anthem is a show of respect. If it wasn't, then why stand (Veterans day or any other day)?

So if standing is respect, then kneeling is in defiance of that action (standing). Therefore, it's an act of disrespect. When players kneel, they are engaging in an act of disrespect as a form of protest. It's making a strong statement. It's no different than burning a flag.

His point was that it was specifically disrespectful to the military. I disagreed.

They are kneeling because something is wrong. Much the way you might fly the flag at half mast when honoring a person that has died.

 

[Rocket]

They are kneeling because something is wrong. Much the way you might fly the flag at half mast when honoring a person that has died.

You're on the right track, but with the wrong locomotive. When your goal is to effect change, if you alienate your audience you will fail. In picking their form of protest, they screwed up.

 

[Rocket]

Many....some....what does that even mean?

Because I didn't want some bozo nit-picking words and saying that nothing is ever "all" or "every", so I used many and some. I was trying to be accurate.
And no, you're not the bozo.

 

[Rocket]

I think Rocket's point flew over most people's heads here, and it makes perfect sense, and it explains why people are upset over kneeling.

Standing for the anthem is a show of respect. If it wasn't, then why stand (Veterans day or any other day)?

So if standing is respect, then kneeling is in defiance of that action (standing). Therefore, it's an act of disrespect. When players kneel, they are engaging in an act of disrespect as a form of protest. It's making a strong statement. It's no different than burning a flag.

E X A C T I M U N D O !!!!

I blame Nessa. She demonstrates how the wise activist can take over a mind which has lost it's way.

 

[Rocket]

My point was that when the Hawks, as a team, stood for the flag on Thursday, they were acknowledging that the flag and the military are intertwined. That didn't stop on Friday.

I believe that my point was indeed my point, quoted above, and not a bastardization of my point as seen by others.
Hell, I even started my point with "My point" so as to make it easy to find.