SoulfishHawk
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Soulfish only will do RW :lol:fenderbender123":24zui157 said:If I was an NFL QB, I would play for free. Then I'd set up a donation fund where people can give me money if they like the way I play. If I was elite I bet I would make more in donations than I would have gotten in salary.
AVL":ubey29xn said:Brady, the playoff cheat, had left tens of millions of dollars on the table and helped forced the whole team payroll to ridiculously low levels.
I have always thought he was getting paid under the table. The whole rich wife thing is laughable.
I don't think Wilson will go for that.
knownone":eqru231w said:The idea that the Seahawks have no leverage is kind of silly. It’s a massive risk for Russell to play on the franchise tag for 3 years, he’ll be damn near 35 by that point and who knows how effective he’ll be as he starts to slow down physically.nanomoz":eqru231w said:Much better analysis, here:
http://seahawksdraftblog.com/the-russel ... -is-coming
Unless the Seahawks were willing to top those numbers and offer Wilson $36-38m per year on a long extension, why would he sign? He’d be getting $67m for two years work. Remember, his existing contract only contained $61.5m in total guarantees.
A third year on the tag would cost $43m. Under the current cap that wouldn’t be manageable. Who knows where the NFL will be in 2022? At the moment, however, that would likely be the point where Wilson tests the market. Just as Cousins did.
The Seahawks have no leverage in these talks. The only card they can play is an appreciation for Wilson, familiarity and the success they’ve so far enjoyed together. With tens of millions at stake that doesn’t seem sufficient.
Wilson and Rodgers can turn to the Seahawks and lay out three numbers: $30m, $36m, $43m. Annual figures all guaranteed with three franchise tags.
There’s simply no serious incentive for Wilson to take anything Seattle offers that doesn’t compare favourably to what he can get, fully guaranteed, under the tag. It’s not just the cap hit we’re talking about here. Three franchise tags equals about $110m fully guaranteed for three extra seasons.
People are focusing too heavily on what Russell stands to gain from playing the franchise tag game while ignoring the all of the downsides.
You seem to be missing the context of my statement. I'm replying to a post that only gives Wilson's point of view while painting the Seahawks as if they have no leverage in negotiations, which (IMO) is untrue. You'll notice that my first sentence starts off with: "The idea that the Seahawks have no leverage is kind of silly."; implying the subject is the Seahawks perceived lack of leverage not my own perception of the situation as a whole.MontanaHawk05":3uiafadq said:You're leaving out Wilson's view. He doesn't see a lot of downside. He's the type who's 110% confident in his own ability both to play in the present and age gracefully in the future. He also might suspect, as some here do, that he has more potential that could be unlocked by a less rudimentary passing game.
So there's every reason to think that Wilson does indeed have the Seahawks over a barrel here, and if the Seahawks aren't completely clueless, they might draft a new QB to get back into the game.
KARAVARUS":ciji4u6p said:I would tell Russell all the facts. The more you make, the less we have to support you. Then I would say—You bring us your contract and we’ll sign off on it.
KARAVARUS":3ln2cnkv said:I would tell Russell all the facts. The more you make, the less we have to support you. Then I would say—You bring us your contract and we’ll sign off on it.
KARAVARUS":mhn1a2dq said:I would tell Russell all the facts. The more you make, the less we have to support you. Then I would say—You bring us your contract and we’ll sign off on it.
knownone":38j5x07c said:He will take on substantial risk if he attempts to play 4 years on what essentially amounts to one-year contracts.
MontanaHawk05":352gp1zz said:knownone":352gp1zz said:He will take on substantial risk if he attempts to play 4 years on what essentially amounts to one-year contracts.
And what if he doesn't see it that way?
How Wilson sees it is everything. Not "what's true even if Wilson doesn't see it".
chris98251":39lh6ntr said:Seahawks only leverage is that Wilson now has a house and ties here, other then that there is a Team in Oakland at least today that had the only guy that loved him draft day there and a supposed rift with Carr, also with that team going to Vegas soon Ciara would be in a pretty good spot to leverage her career as well.
Vegas closer to L.A. area or San Diego where Wilson does a lot of his off season workouts also.
Oakland has Money, Draft Capital and will be the next Starlings promoted by the NFL.
hgwellz12":3utvuabz said:chris98251":3utvuabz said:Seahawks only leverage is that Wilson now has a house and ties here, other then that there is a Team in Oakland at least today that had the only guy that loved him draft day there and a supposed rift with Carr, also with that team going to Vegas soon Ciara would be in a pretty good spot to leverage her career as well.
Vegas closer to L.A. area or San Diego where Wilson does a lot of his off season workouts also.
Oakland has Money, Draft Capital and will be the next Starlings promoted by the NFL.
This move would eff me up sumn turrible! I want Russ to retire a HAWK. But more than that, I don't want him behind another Cable 'oline' for another single snap. Ever.
Seahawker76":1elpnmk8 said:Russell Wilson's current contract- 4 year 87.6M, 31M signing bonus, 21.9M avg.
Average yearly salary.
1 Aaron Rodgers 33.5M
2 Matt Ryan 30M
3 Kirk Cousins 28M
4 Jimmy Garoppolo 27.5M
5 Matthew Stafford 27M
6 Derek Carr 25M
7 Drew Brees 25M
8 Andrew Luck 24.6M
#12 Russell Wilson 21.9M
If JS & PC want to retain RW at a reasonable rate they had better be ready to take the gloves off early and establish a firm offer before the record breaking 35M numbers start getting thrown around by his agent. The front office especially does not want to be faced with the Kirk Cousins franchise tag route, if RW takes a snap in 19' without a new contract it is going to become very, very costly to keep him. I would like to see John & Pete get on the same page and make Wilson a fair offer near or at their upper limit before the amusement park negotiations start. They should say all the right things but make sure RW knows this is a firm offer, the only modifiable terms being signing bonus, yearly guarantees.
This is just an example, but I would suggest a 5 year, 142.5M, 28.5 avg contract. We would soon see how committed Russell is to Seattle and whether playing for another team (amongst limited viable options) is worth the risk vs his future goals. If he turns it down they should reiterate their position and give him a set time before they move forward with trade negotiations starting with an opening price of three first round picks.
Go right ahead & flame me, that is what I think Russell Wilson is worth. Many of you think he deserves the maximum, if this is drawn out the only winner will be Wilson financially, all other variables will be at risk.
John63":3bi4jvw7 said:hgwellz12":3bi4jvw7 said:chris98251":3bi4jvw7 said:Seahawks only leverage is that Wilson now has a house and ties here, other then that there is a Team in Oakland at least today that had the only guy that loved him draft day there and a supposed rift with Carr, also with that team going to Vegas soon Ciara would be in a pretty good spot to leverage her career as well.
Vegas closer to L.A. area or San Diego where Wilson does a lot of his off season workouts also.
Oakland has Money, Draft Capital and will be the next Starlings promoted by the NFL.
This move would eff me up sumn turrible! I want Russ to retire a HAWK. But more than that, I don't want him behind another Cable 'oline' for another single snap. Ever.
If he got traded, it would not be the Raiders.
Wilson can 'see it' whatever way he wants that will not change the level of risk he'd be taking on, make sense? He can choose to accept that risk but that doesn't diminish the risk or the Seahawks leverage based on that risk.MontanaHawk05":3vegketq said:knownone":3vegketq said:He will take on substantial risk if he attempts to play 4 years on what essentially amounts to one-year contracts.
And what if he doesn't see it that way?
How Wilson sees it is everything. Not "what's true even if Wilson doesn't see it".