sutz":1cqyh18a said:Is it really the coach's fault that Mitch can't lay off a slider?
Maybe. :229031_shrug:
That and that little stunt he pulled down in Texas last week. That blew the game and feels like it changed the trajectory of this season.sutz":1r07o4zy said:Really can't argue about Torrens, for sure. That one passed ball last night was crap a little leaguer would have done.
No, but the be (too) patient approach is putting them in bad hitting counts (2 strike counts).sutz":364bymbg said:Is it really the coach's fault that Mitch can't lay off a slider?
Maybe. :229031_shrug:
Yeah, I'm seeing it, too. Not sure how "controlling the zone" leads to taking BP fastballs. :34853_doh:Sports Hernia":196m1tmg said:No, but the be (too) patient approach is putting them in bad hitting counts (2 strike counts).sutz":196m1tmg said:Is it really the coach's fault that Mitch can't lay off a slider?
Maybe. :229031_shrug:
As Peel said, they are looking @ too many fastballs down the middle of the plate.
It’s taking away the aggressiveness of the batter IMHO. Doesn’t mean swing at every first pitch but be looking for the first pitch meat fastball.sutz":1cdm74zg said:Yeah, I'm seeing it, too. Not sure how "controlling the zone" leads to taking BP fastballs. :34853_doh:Sports Hernia":1cdm74zg said:No, but the be (too) patient approach is putting them in bad hitting counts (2 strike counts).sutz":1cdm74zg said:Is it really the coach's fault that Mitch can't lay off a slider?
Maybe. :229031_shrug:
As Peel said, they are looking @ too many fastballs down the middle of the plate.
Remember Al Cowens? He would NEVER swing at the first pitch, and it drove me nuts, the opposing pitchers would always throw a BP fastball down the middle for the first pitch.sutz":1ixcwsyv said:I remember Cano used to do that. But he would do it for several at bats, always taking the first pitch. Then after maybe a game or so, he'd jump on a first pitch fastball pitchers would serve up to him and crush it.
We don't seem to be doing that, though. Gotta give Kelenic credit. He jumped on the first pitch he saw. Didn't work out because the fielder made a heroic catch on the foul ball in the stands, but Kelenic at least swung at it.
Guess I wasn't watching much baseball back then, but the little I know about the game says you're right. That's a stupid pattern to maintain, unless like I described Cano doing above, there is some strategy behind it. Pitchers are supposed to try to get to 0-1, 0-2, not hitters. :34853_doh:Sports Hernia":6pomeihi said:Remember Al Cowens? He would NEVER swing at the first pitch, and it drove me nuts, the opposing pitchers would always throw a BP fastball down the middle for the first pitch.sutz":6pomeihi said:I remember Cano used to do that. But he would do it for several at bats, always taking the first pitch. Then after maybe a game or so, he'd jump on a first pitch fastball pitchers would serve up to him and crush it.
We don't seem to be doing that, though. Gotta give Kelenic credit. He jumped on the first pitch he saw. Didn't work out because the fielder made a heroic catch on the foul ball in the stands, but Kelenic at least swung at it.
If you are a horrible 2-strike hitter (most of the M’s qualify for this) you shouldn’t be automatically taking the first pitch.
Trammell (who was sent down) and White (who should be sent down) always are/were in 0-2 counts.
That’s a bad hitting approach.
You’d think....sutz":24s7b26e said:Guess I wasn't watching much baseball back then, but the little I know about the game says you're right. That's a stupid pattern to maintain, unless like I described Cano doing above, there is some strategy behind it. Pitchers are supposed to try to get to 0-1, 0-2, not hitters. :34853_doh:Sports Hernia":24s7b26e said:Remember Al Cowens? He would NEVER swing at the first pitch, and it drove me nuts, the opposing pitchers would always throw a BP fastball down the middle for the first pitch.sutz":24s7b26e said:I remember Cano used to do that. But he would do it for several at bats, always taking the first pitch. Then after maybe a game or so, he'd jump on a first pitch fastball pitchers would serve up to him and crush it.
We don't seem to be doing that, though. Gotta give Kelenic credit. He jumped on the first pitch he saw. Didn't work out because the fielder made a heroic catch on the foul ball in the stands, but Kelenic at least swung at it.
If you are a horrible 2-strike hitter (most of the M’s qualify for this) you shouldn’t be automatically taking the first pitch.
Trammell (who was sent down) and White (who should be sent down) always are/were in 0-2 counts.
That’s a bad hitting approach.
You'd think after consistently getting down in the count AB after AB a light would come on and suggest 'maybe I should do something different.'
Sports Hernia":2a0zvy8w said:And Kelenic goes yarrrrrdddddd! :2thumbs:
Yep, agree.Shanegotyou11":2bosn1vs said:Sports Hernia":2bosn1vs said:And Kelenic goes yarrrrrdddddd! :2thumbs:
Ayeeeeee!!!!
Torrens needs to go. Go get cal.
Don’t get it either.DJrmb":czhcdkqc said:WTF is Scott pulling Flexen for right now? He was only at 85 pitches with 1 out to get out of the 6th with a runner on 1st (because Haggerty misplayed a fly ball). He's pitched well all night long. Why pull him there???
Yeah I saw that one too. I was thinking why are to slowing down just before the ball went over his head... He's really fast but playing the outfield takes more than just speed. I hope Trammell gets right quickly and comes back up to replace him.Sports Hernia":lm2jpv6d said:Don’t get it either.DJrmb":lm2jpv6d said:WTF is Scott pulling Flexen for right now? He was only at 85 pitches with 1 out to get out of the 6th with a runner on 1st (because Haggerty misplayed a fly ball). He's pitched well all night long. Why pull him there???
2nd ball that Haggerty misplayed tonight. The one that went over his head early in the game he took a horrible route on.
Kelenic with another double and rbi. :2thumbs:DJrmb":wfnuadnh said:Yeah I saw that one too. I was thinking why are to slowing down just before the ball went over his head... He's really fast but playing the outfield takes more than just speed. I hope Trammell gets right quickly and comes back up to replace him.Sports Hernia":wfnuadnh said:Don’t get it either.DJrmb":wfnuadnh said:WTF is Scott pulling Flexen for right now? He was only at 85 pitches with 1 out to get out of the 6th with a runner on 1st (because Haggerty misplayed a fly ball). He's pitched well all night long. Why pull him there???
2nd ball that Haggerty misplayed tonight. The one that went over his head early in the game he took a horrible route on.