Tony Pauline interview on Seattle/Dorial Green-Beckham

[McGruff]

It's all opinion. Experts provide a solid jumping off point, but after that it's time to work and think for yourself.

 

[titan3131]

Last year I casually llowed the draft.

This year Ive gotten WAY INTO IT Specifically the articles on field gulls and seahawksdraftblog.com.

there is alot of patterns, and rules that Js+ PC go by. They use sparq alot more then other teams, they dont allow the positions of need to force them to make a pick anywhere. they will let the draft come to them rather then being forced to take anyone.

also they draft by how player fit to our scheme and their individual talents and abilities.

 

[kearly]

lol at taking Conley straight up over DGB. If Conley didn't run a fast 40 no one would be talking about the dude.

Conley also had a ridiculous 45" vert, and a nearly unprecedented 11'7" broad jump. And of course he had that 4.35 combine time, all at 6'3". I don't know if any WR had a better combine than Conley did. I would be surprised if he made it out of round 2. He's basically pre-breakout Kevin White.

Like you, I hope Seattle trades up for a WR. But if Seattle stays put at #63, my money would be on Conley being a Hawk. It's worth noting, they had Conley in for an official visit last week.




Personally, I wouldn't mind taking him at #63. The combine athleticism translates on the field, and he tracks the deep ball well. He has stuff to learn, but our offense asks less of WRs than just about any NFL team, and our WRs have generally been coached up consistently.

 

[Seafan]

The Hawks really blew it with Harvin. Here's hoping they don't make a similar mistake.

 

[Rob12]

DGB won't make it out of the first 15-20 picks. I'd bet my house that there is a team picking in that range that is in love with him. If we want him, we will have to pay up and get in the first round.

Kid is going to be a star.

 

[penihawk]

I agree with rob12 on DGB going in rd 1. The guy is a rare physical talent and you can bet some team has a pair of glasses on that make him into a combination of megatron /father murphy. Again I won't be pissed if he fell in our lap but the notion that this tiger has rid his stripes let alone changed them is naive at best. I to think he is gonna be a great player but it will take time and have strings attached imo.

As far as Chris Conley goes, I agree with Kearly and think he is very much on our radar. For those with the DGB blinders on, don't sell Conley short. He has rare physical traits and in the top few for tracking the deep ball. The part that sells me is he is very intelligent and a worker. If not for a couple guys named Gurley & Chubb in an offense with the same philosophy as the hawks, we may not be having this discussion. Either way I hope we come of of this draft with a wr that other teams have to account for.

 

[Largent80]

Last year I casually llowed the draft.

This year Ive gotten WAY INTO IT Specifically the articles on field gulls and seahawksdraftblog.com.

there is alot of patterns, and rules that Js+ PC go by. They use sparq alot more then other teams, they dont allow the positions of need to force them to make a pick anywhere. they will let the draft come to them rather then being forced to take anyone.

also they draft by how player fit to our scheme and their individual talents and abilities.

They also rely on sports psychologists after they interview the prospective players. If the report from them is favorable, they move forward.

 

[Hasselbeck]

lol at taking Conley straight up over DGB. If Conley didn't run a fast 40 no one would be talking about the dude.

Conley also had a ridiculous 45" vert, and a nearly unprecedented 11'7" broad jump. And of course he had that 4.35 combine time, all at 6'3". I don't know if any WR had a better combine than Conley did. I would be surprised if he made it out of round 2. He's basically pre-breakout Kevin White.

Like you, I hope Seattle trades up for a WR. But if Seattle stays put at #63, my money would be on Conley being a Hawk. It's worth noting, they had Conley in for an official visit last week.




Personally, I wouldn't mind taking him at #63. The combine athleticism translates on the field, and he tracks the deep ball well. He has stuff to learn, but our offense asks less of WRs than just about any NFL team, and our WRs have generally been coached up consistently.

Oh I agree.. I just find it funny that Conley's fan base is primarily people that saw his 40 time.. Al Davis would be proud.

Conley was the #1 rated WR on the SPARQ scale.. so he's absolutely on the teams radar. And it wouldn't surprise me at all if they drafted him at 63.. given how they don't care if they "reach" on a guy.

I have a sinking suspicion though if DGB falls to Day 2.. the Seahawks will be working those phones mighty hard.

 

[penihawk]

What do you mean by his fan base is people that saw his 40 time? My initial thoughts were workout warrior and then I watched the tape. He has demonstrated much more than speed in his limited opportunity.

Maybe you can guarantee if we get a Gordon/Blackmond headache or a Moss/Dez success story? Remember, you only have to go to the weed store in WA now. I would say they might both be considered a gamble or a reach?

 

[theENGLISHseahawk]

DGB is on a different level to Conley.

 

[penihawk]

Yup as ceilings go but in a league cracking down on knuckleheads it changes the conversation. Go ask Cleveland & Jacksonville what level Gordon & Blackmond are on and how much production they are getting in return.

None of us question DGB's talent as maybe being the best in this whole draft and nobody has said Conley is better or equally talented but there is more to being a star than just god given talent.

 

[Largent80]

I think I will trust J & P and all of their scouts over ANYONE here or anywhere else.

I remember people here clamoring for Jimmy Clausen and Crabtree..... :roll:

 

[kearly]

I see Conley as a super-charged Jermaine Kearse. He doesn't get targeted often, but when he does, it's usually deep and the result is usually very good. He's far from being a complete WR, but that is exactly the reason why Seattle covets him. Conley's lack of a rounded skillset makes him a market inefficiency.

Other teams might have him in the 4th round because he doesn't run a great route over the middle and averages about 35 catches a season. But Seattle is all about drafting specialists at every position, guys who are elite in one area but might be suspect at everything else. Watch just a little bit of Conley on youtube and you'll quickly learn that he is a formidable red line threat. Even if he fails to develop in other areas and effectively becomes something akin to Darrius Heyward-Bey, our offense can make great use out of that kind of player.

Not saying I'd pick him at #63, but I'd understand it. Our short-area pass catching is going to be alright in a couple years when Richardson returns to health, but our deep red line passing game is in need of a talent infusion and Conley will offer a nice boost there.

DGB is on his own planet, that goes without saying. I do feel that if you draft him, it's probably at least a 75% chance that pick bursts into flames a couple years down the road. I am okay with that risk, but it is a big risk. Not just on the field, but in the PR department as well.

 

[Largent80]

DGB is on his own planet, that goes without saying. I do feel that if you draft him, it's probably at least a 75% chance that pick bursts into flames a couple years down the road. I am okay with that risk, but it is a big risk. Not just on the field, but in the PR department as well.

This is the way I feel. I envision this guy having a great year, maybe not this one but more than likely the next, THEN, becoming a diva, problem somewhere.

I just pass on that. Risk / reward for 2 years isn't worth a guy that is slightly more developmental and then lasts for years.

 

[massari]

I think I will trust J & P and all of their scouts over ANYONE here or anywhere else.

I remember people here clamoring for Jimmy Clausen and Crabtree..... :roll:

It goes both ways though. I remember some people (including myself) were surprised they picked Cassius Marsh instead of Martavis Bryant last year or that they'd give up so much for an injury prone headcase like Harvin. Just shows how much of a crap shoot it is when any moron like me could sometimes prove guys who live/breathe football wrong!

 

[Hasselbeck]

DGB is on his own planet, that goes without saying. I do feel that if you draft him, it's probably at least a 75% chance that pick bursts into flames a couple years down the road. I am okay with that risk, but it is a big risk. Not just on the field, but in the PR department as well.

This is the way I feel. I envision this guy having a great year, maybe not this one but more than likely the next, THEN, becoming a diva, problem somewhere.

I just pass on that. Risk / reward for 2 years isn't worth a guy that is slightly more developmental and then lasts for years.

Say he gives you 3 years before going Josh Gordon.. And in those 3 years we win 2 Super Bowls.. He's still not worth it?

 

[Hasselbeck]

What do you mean by his fan base is people that saw his 40 time? My initial thoughts were workout warrior and then I watched the tape. He has demonstrated much more than speed in his limited opportunity.

Maybe you can guarantee if we get a Gordon/Blackmond headache or a Moss/Dez success story? Remember, you only have to go to the weed store in WA now. I would say they might both be considered a gamble or a reach?

You can't guarantee anything with the draft, whether it's Amari Cooper or DGB.

The weed store thing is irrelevant, if you think it's hard to obtain weed in any state - especially as an athlete .. that alone is amusing. If he's going to be a Gordon or Blackmon, that's happening wherever he goes

And that weed problem is overblown anyway.. He smoked a joint and was in the car of two people who had weed in their possession.. You know what that's known as to most people these days? College

I think the potential reward far outweighs the risk here. You take away those red flags and he's in the mix to be the first WR off the board. You simply do not find a WR that's nearly 6-6, with that type of athleticism in the second round. If he even makes it that far.

Adding a DGB to this offense would be unbelievable. Conley gives me Kevin Norwood, Jermaine Kearse JAG feelings.. DGB can be a star. We haven't had a star WR in two decades.

 

[Maelstrom787]

DGB is the guy we need. Please, please make a move.

 

[Largent80]

DGB is on his own planet, that goes without saying. I do feel that if you draft him, it's probably at least a 75% chance that pick bursts into flames a couple years down the road. I am okay with that risk, but it is a big risk. Not just on the field, but in the PR department as well.

This is the way I feel. I envision this guy having a great year, maybe not this one but more than likely the next, THEN, becoming a diva, problem somewhere.

I just pass on that. Risk / reward for 2 years isn't worth a guy that is slightly more developmental and then lasts for years.

Say he gives you 3 years before going Josh Gordon.. And in those 3 years we win 2 Super Bowls.. He's still not worth it?

That is "say" speculation, and one guy isn't going to get us to a SB. While this guy appears to have talent it is the appears part that needs to be evaluated. I would feel more comfortable with a long term player that has similar skills and also has proven to follow the rules.

 

[penihawk]

What do you mean by his fan base is people that saw his 40 time? My initial thoughts were workout warrior and then I watched the tape. He has demonstrated much more than speed in his limited opportunity.

Maybe you can guarantee if we get a Gordon/Blackmond headache or a Moss/Dez success story? Remember, you only have to go to the weed store in WA now. I would say they might both be considered a gamble or a reach?

You can't guarantee anything with the draft, whether it's Amari Cooper or DGB.

The weed store thing is irrelevant, if you think it's hard to obtain weed in any state - especially as an athlete .. that alone is amusing. If he's going to be a Gordon or Blackmon, that's happening wherever he goes

And that weed problem is overblown anyway.. He smoked a joint and was in the car of two people who had weed in their possession.. You know what that's known as to most people these days? College

I think the potential reward far outweighs the risk here. You take away those red flags and he's in the mix to be the first WR off the board. You simply do not find a WR that's nearly 6-6, with that type of athleticism in the second round. If he even makes it that far.

Adding a DGB to this offense would be unbelievable. Conley gives me Kevin Norwood, Jermaine Kearse JAG feelings.. DGB can be a star. We haven't had a star WR in two decades.

Have you heard me say don't move up and draft him? Nope. I'm just not acting like he is god with a few minor character flaws that are overblown. As far as winning 2 out of 3 superbowls before a player goes sour? Yup, on board with that to. I wanted to make the trade for Brandon Marshall. I also saw the Harvin deal the same way as a risk we needed to take.

DGB 's numbers in our offense as it currently sits could be more JAG-like than star-like tho. I do think he is the player,if he turns out to be the kid playing UK, that makes our offense damn near impossible to get off the field on 3rd down and keep 6pts off the board when in the redzone in combination with Graham. I like his talent better than White or Cooper , just not the kid. I'm just never gonna act like the Redskins trying to aquire RG3 like some of you are.

I just see a group of people,his foster parents included, that are putting on a production and saying all the right things because there is a whole bunch of zeros to be gained in doing so. So here we are back to saying,"I won't be pissed if we take him." Time is undefeated in telling the truth in these matters.

This discussion ends Thursday night imo because I don't see 32 teams willing to wave the risk. What are you willing to sacrifice to join the party on Thursday?