Tony Pauline interview on Seattle/Dorial Green-Beckham

[Hasselbeck]

That is "say" speculation, and one guy isn't going to get us to a SB. While this guy appears to have talent it is the appears part that needs to be evaluated. I would feel more comfortable with a long term player that has similar skills and also has proven to follow the rules.

There are no similar guys to DGB. That's the quandary. Again.. if he had Phillip Dorsett's measurables.. this isn't really a discussion right now.

In size and raw potential, this is like Calvin Johnson entering the draft with a rap sheet.

 

[Largent80]

I'm not saying people can't change however, if you don't NEED to take the risk, then don't. But I am not the Seahawks and neither is anyone else here.

To me, this draft is VERY important going forward. I see the risk/reward for a guy like this, however I also see us needing depth as well as replacing some departed players. I suppose it all depends on who was chosen before our pick and if JS holds that pick.

 

[Hasselbeck]

Have you heard me say don't move up and draft him? Nope. I'm just not acting like he is god with a few minor character flaws that are overblown. As far as winning 2 out of 3 superbowls before a player goes sour? Yup, on board with that to. I wanted to make the trade for Brandon Marshall. I also saw the Harvin deal the same way as a risk we needed to take.

DGB 's numbers in our offense as it currently sits could be more JAG-like than star-like tho. I do think he is the player,if he turns out to be the kid playing UK, that makes our offense damn near impossible to get off the field on 3rd down and keep 6pts off the board when in the redzone in combination with Graham. I like his talent better than White or Cooper , just not the kid. I'm just never gonna act like the Redskins trying to aquire RG3 like some of you are.

I just see a group of people,his foster parents included, that are putting on a production and saying all the right things because there is a whole bunch of zeros to be gained in doing so. So here we are back to saying,"I won't be pissed if we take him." Time is undefeated in telling the truth in these matters.

This discussion ends Thursday night imo because I don't see 32 teams willing to wave the risk. What are you willing to sacrifice to join the party on Thursday?

To be fair, our offense has never really had the opportunity to be dangerous in the passing game.. because short of Golden Tate.. our WR's have been at best average and more often than not.. below average. Look how the Super Bowl went with a simple adjustment by putting Browner on Matthews.

Now mix in Graham and a guy like DGB and suddenly that all changes. They can't solely key on Lynch and Wilson's scrambling. Baldwin slides over to his more natural spot in the slot. Matthews can be an Alshon Jeffrey like #2 .. suddenly this offense takes a whole new feel.

I don't think anyone is saying to trade the entire draft for him.. but with 11 picks and very few needs on the roster.. why not go for him?

But I agree with you.. I don't want to get my hopes up because I strongly believe there are more than a few teams enamored by his potential. And I am having a hard time seeing him fall out of the first round as a result. I sure hope I am wrong though.. DGB could be the missing piece to making this offense downright scary for the remainder of the Lynch era and beyond.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I'm not saying people can't change however, if you don't NEED to take the risk, then don't. But I am not the Seahawks and neither is anyone else here.

Do you want to be great? Teams that don't continue to look to be great end up being can get by the rest of the league.

 

[Largent80]

I want to win just like everyone else, so being great follows that. Just because there is a guy that appears to be Calvin Johnson, it is the rap sheet part that is a legit concern.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I want to win just like everyone else, so being great follows that. Just because there is a guy that appears to be Calvin Johnson, it is the rap sheet part that is a legit concern.

We have a number of guys with rap sheets. If they pick him you know they are comfortable with the rap sheet.

 

[McGruff]

I want to win just like everyone else, so being great follows that. Just because there is a guy that appears to be Calvin Johnson, it is the rap sheet part that is a legit concern.

We have a number of guys with rap sheets. If they pick him you know they are comfortable with the rap sheet.

Here's the deal with the rap sheet and the pot.

First, just because he was tied twice to pot use doesn't mean he's only used pot twice. If you've been illegally linked to drug use once or twice, more than like you have used 20-30 times or more. That's like believing the girl who gets pregnant after having sex one time in her life. Sure, it could happen, but more than likely she's not telling the truth.

Pot use doesn't make DGB a thug or a bad guy, but it does make him a risk because like it or not, pot is a banned substance in the league, and DGB will more than likely enter the league already under the policy. That means suspensions will be swift or of increasing severity. That's a risk, and its significant.

And while I am tremendously sympathetic of the background DGB has come from, we also have to deal with the reality of it. Some people can overcome their tragic backgrounds and come out better for it. Many more however give in to their backgrounds and return to their roots. Again, that doesn't make them thugs. They are in many ways victims of their upbringing and need all the help they can get to rise above. But that is not the NFL's concern, nor is it the responsibility of NFL team's to provide social support systems for at risk young men. Its their job to field a team, and risky backgrounds present significant risk.

In the end, it will be the job of team psychologists and coaches to discern if DGB is an overcomer or if he is a risk to revert to his roots. If the Seahawks select him, I will trust that they have done their homework, because if DGB truly is on the other side of his issues, he represents not only phenomenal talents but the exact profile the Seahawks covet of men who have worked to overcome trials in their lives. I hope he is for his own sake.

For the record, the risk makes me uncomfortable, and yet the story and his response seem sincere.

 

[Largent80]

Here is my take on weed. I smoked weed less than a year ago almost every week with Brandon Browners uncle right outside the Backstage tavern in Culver City where the Socal Seahawkers meet up every game.

I asked him repeatedly if BB had quit and he assured me NO. How he passed UA's is anyones guess, but what I do know of after about 45 years of smoking the stuff is this, one may cut down and even quit for awhile but never quit for good unless there are circumstances from the outside or simply outgrowing it or whatever.

We lost our starting CB for over a year from pot, then he ended up making the part of the play that lost us the SB.

Pick your poison, but I tread lightly with this based on life experiences.

 

[massari]

I want to win just like everyone else, so being great follows that. Just because there is a guy that appears to be Calvin Johnson, it is the rap sheet part that is a legit concern.

He doesn't seem to appear to be Calvin Johnson/Randy Moss. He appears to have Plaxico Burress/Demaryius Thomas/Brandon Marshall ect potential.

 

[Scottemojo]

That is "say" speculation, and one guy isn't going to get us to a SB. While this guy appears to have talent it is the appears part that needs to be evaluated. I would feel more comfortable with a long term player that has similar skills and also has proven to follow the rules.

There are no similar guys to DGB. That's the quandary. Again.. if he had Phillip Dorsett's measurables.. this isn't really a discussion right now.

In size and raw potential, this is like Calvin Johnson entering the draft with a rap sheet.

Waller. Size and raw potential.

 

[justafan]

I want to say great job on your blog this year and having Pauline chip in is great.
So many insightful articles I would like to list but I will just say thank you for all the time and work you do.

 

[massari]

Here's what Gruden and Kiper think of some of the WR's including DGB. http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:12776983

 

[Rob12]

I see Conley as a super-charged Jermaine Kearse. He doesn't get targeted often, but when he does, it's usually deep and the result is usually very good. He's far from being a complete WR, but that is exactly the reason why Seattle covets him. Conley's lack of a rounded skillset makes him a market inefficiency.

Other teams might have him in the 4th round because he doesn't run a great route over the middle and averages about 35 catches a season. But Seattle is all about drafting specialists at every position, guys who are elite in one area but might be suspect at everything else. Watch just a little bit of Conley on youtube and you'll quickly learn that he is a formidable red line threat. Even if he fails to develop in other areas and effectively becomes something akin to Darrius Heyward-Bey, our offense can make great use out of that kind of player.

Not saying I'd pick him at #63, but I'd understand it. Our short-area pass catching is going to be alright in a couple years when Richardson returns to health, but our deep red line passing game is in need of a talent infusion and Conley will offer a nice boost there.

DGB is on his own planet, that goes without saying. I do feel that if you draft him, it's probably at least a 75% chance that pick bursts into flames a couple years down the road. I am okay with that risk, but it is a big risk. Not just on the field, but in the PR department as well.

Personally, I just don't see that with DBG. I think the kid has made some pretty mistakes, but he has also owned them. For every Josh Gordon or Justin Blackmon, I can find you 10 other players that are panning out great for their teams.

I've done quite a bit of reading on DBG and I don't see a punk. He could be, but my gut tells me that he's not. He's a young man (man, I'm 33 - can't believe I just said that) that has some maturing to do. I know when I was 21, I did as well.

All he needs is the right coach, and I think if we're fortunate enough to draft him, PCJS and the vets on this team will see to it that he realizes his potential.

I could be wrong of course and he could end up being a train wreck. I just don't think he will be.

 

[penihawk]

It's interesting that I've heard Gruden and Mayock now both say what they see on tape with DGB is a physical talent that don't know what the hell he is doing on the field yet . The plot thickens