We run to setup the pass...

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We run to setup the pass

For years I’ve heard this phrase. Run the ball. It will open up things in the passing game. It worked with Marshawn and for the most part it worked with Carson... last year. The problem with that style of play though is that when it doesn’t work, it puts the offense in a funk. The all predictable run, run pass formula that all of our recent OC’s seem to be addicted to. How many times have we seen the coaching staff force feed the ball to the running backs, only to realize half way into the third quarter that it isn’t working, then watch Russell attempt to pull a rabbit out of his ass for the rest of the game? And credit to Russell, he gets it done most of the time. But unfortunately there are times when he doesn’t. Like today.

We have the highest paid QB in the league (not sure if he still is, too lazy to google) but for at least half of the game he is relegated to a game manger/handoff specialist. I love watching Carson rumble as much as the next person. When it works it’s beautiful. Beat down the opposition and draw them close then hit them over the top with play action. The problem though is that when it doesn’t work you get those quick 3 and outs (again) and force the defense back onto the field and pray their stamina can hold up for another series. You can’t keep giving away series and expect to stay in the game. You only get so many. Today Seattle was forced to go to passing game early because of 1. Carson’s inability to keep the ball secured and 2. They were playing from behind. What you get is what we all saw. Wilson carved up that Saints defense with arms and his legs. Sure you can say they were cover 2 or prevent and were trying to hold onto the lead but they still were unable to stop Wilson from bringing this game close in the end.

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We run to setup the pass? How about we pass to setup the run? Wilson is the best player on this team and when they let him loose he proves it time and time again. He’s got the firepower in him to put up the big numbers like the big boys (Brady, Rodgers, Brees) and still has the legs to keep up with the young guns (Mahomes, Jackson). Why aren’t we using the best player on our team like we should? I think Lockett’s after game comments ask the same question.

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I think in some way this team still tries to replicate what they had in 2014. This is a different team though. You’ve got to be able to adapt. And adapt early. It’s a pass heavy league for a reason. Yet here we are still stuck in third gear, trying to keep up with the times. Who is the running back for the New England Patriots? I don’t know, and it doesn’t matter. The only person that matters for them is Brady. Everyone else is interchangeable/expendable. And they continue to run like a well oiled machine. We have a machine on our team. His name is Russell Wilson. Just stop waiting until the second half before activating him.
 

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We only went run-run-pass twice today, and we converted both times.

(The second ended with Carson's fumble, but that's not a playcalling issue.)
 

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MontanaHawk05":3vr1053l said:
We only went run-run-pass twice today, and we converted both times.

(The second ended with Carson's fumble, but that's not a playcalling issue.)

True however the overall point he makes is still valid. We do hold Wilson back to much.
 

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John63":3ghz846u said:
MontanaHawk05":3ghz846u said:
We only went run-run-pass twice today, and we converted both times.

(The second ended with Carson's fumble, but that's not a playcalling issue.)

True however the overall point he makes is still valid. We do hope Wilson back to much.

We only did it once last week, too. Resulted in the Metcalf touchdown on 3rd down.
 
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MontanaHawk05":3svkk3zt said:
We only went run-run-pass twice today, and we converted both times.

(The second ended with Carson's fumble, but that's not a playcalling issue.)

Thank the football gods. Had they of not they would have lost by more than just one score.
 

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MontanaHawk05":2t7ni0vv said:
John63":2t7ni0vv said:
MontanaHawk05":2t7ni0vv said:
We only went run-run-pass twice today, and we converted both times.

(The second ended with Carson's fumble, but that's not a playcalling issue.)

True however the overall point he makes is still valid. We do hope Wilson back to much.

We only did it once last week, too. Resulted in the Metcalf touchdown on 3rd down.

Ahh we held Wson back for a full half of football till we went with the short passing game.
 

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It's tiring how many posters on this board will use any bad outcome to justify their previously held opinions. Never mind everything else that went wrong in the game, or that a large part of the loss was because the Saints were able to run the football against us successfully despite our best efforts to shut it down.
 

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John63":3tg0if6i said:
MontanaHawk05":3tg0if6i said:
John63":3tg0if6i said:
MontanaHawk05":3tg0if6i said:
We only went run-run-pass twice today, and we converted both times.

(The second ended with Carson's fumble, but that's not a playcalling issue.)

True however the overall point he makes is still valid. We do hope Wilson back to much.

We only did it once last week, too. Resulted in the Metcalf touchdown on 3rd down.

Ahh we held Wson back for a full half of football till we went with the short passing game.

The OP was talking about predictable playcalling, not philosophy, so that's what I went with.
 

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We never got the run game going to the point where we were picking up 4-5 a pop. When we don’t get it going, we don’t get our explosives out of the passing game and everything becomes a struggle. I know there are many out there that can’t see that or don’t want to see it, but that’s how it is. When we have 2nd and 3 because we just hit a 7-yard run, or a team has to start taking chances in the second half because we beat them up in the first, we’ve got checkmate. We know this. We’ve seen it be a very successful formula for 8 years. Doing it the other way hasn’t worked out well for us as often.
 
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