What did you learn from Sundays game?

[mrt144]

Yeah, dead horse or not, he seems pretty clueless in the red zone. And why he decides to get cute down there makes zero sense.

It isn't readily apparent but we simply are stymied rushing in the RZ to the point that getting cute is all he has.

You want to know where our offense in the RZ went? It evaporated with our running backs.

 

[adeltaY]

Yeah, dead horse or not, he seems pretty clueless in the red zone. And why he decides to get cute down there makes zero sense.

It isn't readily apparent but we simply are stymied rushing in the RZ to the point that getting cute is all he has.

You want to know where our offense in the RZ went? It evaporated with our running backs.

It was awful even with prime Lynch in 2014.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Yeah, dead horse or not, he seems pretty clueless in the red zone. And why he decides to get cute down there makes zero sense.

It isn't readily apparent but we simply are stymied rushing in the RZ to the point that getting cute is all he has.

You want to know where our offense in the RZ went? It evaporated with our running backs.

RZ offense is about perfect execution, because everything is condensed.

Just so happens that our offense (and I include Russell in this criticism) is terrible at executing with precision and timing. Gotta block perfectly, run crisp routes, read the defense and change protection, on and on.

Not Russell or our offenses strong suit. Sure playcalling is important too, but IMO if I was pinpointing our red zone issue? It's poor execution. Even when we do have success, there's a holding penalty or mistake made.............and the RZ is not the place for Russell to run around and make plays cause there's no room for it on the back end.

 

[RussB]

Defense needs to step it up. They have been way too suspect the past 2 games.

 

[RussB]

Yeah, dead horse or not, he seems pretty clueless in the red zone. And why he decides to get cute down there makes zero sense.

I really think hes honestly just trying to hard in the redzone instead of being simple. Most teams dont really do anthing that advanced in the redzone. Bevell seems to try all types of unneeded plays.

Just go into i form and pound it in or do some sort of toss/fake toss stuff. Or go under center and play action. Or maybe just toss it up to graham .

 

[mrt144]

Yeah, dead horse or not, he seems pretty clueless in the red zone. And why he decides to get cute down there makes zero sense.

It isn't readily apparent but we simply are stymied rushing in the RZ to the point that getting cute is all he has.

You want to know where our offense in the RZ went? It evaporated with our running backs.

It was awful even with prime Lynch in 2014.

Au contraire mon ami, they had a league leading 20 rushing TDs in 2014, 6 from RW himself.

10 in 2015, 13 in 2016 and currently 2 in 2017. RW accounted for 1 in 2015, 2016 and 2017 respectively.

Furthermore the DVOA splits in the red zone rushing break down as such:

2014: 37.9% (League Leading, btw)
2015: -5.4%
2016: -24.6%
2017: -85.1%

The red zone rushing problem is getting worse and shows no signs of abating. We should probably fire the run game coordinator, whoever that is.

 

[Siouxhawk]

Yeah, dead horse or not, he seems pretty clueless in the red zone. And why he decides to get cute down there makes zero sense.

I really think hes honestly just trying to hard in the redzone instead of being simple. Most teams dont really do anthing that advanced in the redzone. Bevell seems to try all types of unneeded plays.

Just go into i form and pound it in or do some sort of toss/fake toss stuff. Or go under center and play action. Or maybe just toss it up to graham .

Yeah, that TD to Luke looked really complicated ... and Jimmys been targeted there a bunch this year.

 

[Seymour]

The red zone rushing problem is getting worse and shows no signs of abating. We should probably fire the run game coordinator, whoever that is.

Not only is it still Cable, but they actually elevated his control this season!! ukeface:

With the Seattle Seahawks falling from first in the NFL in cumulative rushing offense over the first five years of Tom Cable’s tenure as offensive line coach to 25th in 2016, not to mention the difficulties protecting pass plays and developing talent that persisted for several years, a certain segment of Seahawks fans hoped this miserable performance might startle Pete Carroll into reorganizing the coaching staff. Many have asked for Cable to be fired outright but at the very least, this segment insisted, Carroll and the Seattle front office should be taking a hard reassessment of Cable’s stewardship as Assistant Head Coach and “run game coordinator” entering 2017.

Instead, the organization doubled down on Cable’s position
..... by declining to go outside the organization to find a new position coach, Seattle indicated that Carroll was mostly fine with the direction of the unit. Now working with Morton, primarily a kick return specialist in his coaching career, Cable looks like he has nearly unilateral control over Seattle’s running game.

Read it an weep....

https://www.fieldgulls.com/2017/3/3...able-offensive-line-sherman-smith-chad-morton

 

[NJlargent]

I'm interested to see how we come out tonight. I expect us to be angry and bury this overmatched team. If we come out and let them hang around and wait till the second half to do anything then this staff is useless

 

[hawkfan68]

Yeah, dead horse or not, he seems pretty clueless in the red zone. And why he decides to get cute down there makes zero sense.

It isn't readily apparent but we simply are stymied rushing in the RZ to the point that getting cute is all he has.

You want to know where our offense in the RZ went? It evaporated with our running backs.

RZ offense is about perfect execution, because everything is condensed.

Just so happens that our offense (and I include Russell in this criticism) is terrible at executing with precision and timing. Gotta block perfectly, run crisp routes, read the defense and change protection, on and on.

Not Russell or our offenses strong suit. Sure playcalling is important too, but IMO if I was pinpointing our red zone issue? It's poor execution. Even when we do have success, there's a holding penalty or mistake made.............and the RZ is not the place for Russell to run around and make plays cause there's no room for it on the back end.

I agree with most of this. I would add that poor personnel groups in certain situations to execute a said play factors into it too. If the proper personnel were utilized the chances of better execution would be greater.

 

[mrt144]

Yeah, dead horse or not, he seems pretty clueless in the red zone. And why he decides to get cute down there makes zero sense.

It isn't readily apparent but we simply are stymied rushing in the RZ to the point that getting cute is all he has.

You want to know where our offense in the RZ went? It evaporated with our running backs.

RZ offense is about perfect execution, because everything is condensed.

Just so happens that our offense (and I include Russell in this criticism) is terrible at executing with precision and timing. Gotta block perfectly, run crisp routes, read the defense and change protection, on and on.

Not Russell or our offenses strong suit. Sure playcalling is important too, but IMO if I was pinpointing our red zone issue? It's poor execution. Even when we do have success, there's a holding penalty or mistake made.............and the RZ is not the place for Russell to run around and make plays cause there's no room for it on the back end.

There is something to this conceptually but refer to the RZ rushing DVOA down below:

2014: 37.9%
2015: -5.4%
2016: -24.6%
2017: -85.1%

Want to look at the passing DVOA in those splits? Sure!

Red Zone Passing:

2014: 25.6%
2015: 40.7%
2016: 9.2%
2017: 9.1%

Also, these are the Goal to Go splits:

Goal to go DVOA

2014: 7.1%
2015: 6.8%
2016: -14.8%
2017: -41.6%

These splits don't differentiate between pass and rush.

So yes, while the RZ passing offense has diminished, the RZ rushing is non existent. I think this is a much much much more significant factor to RZ inefficiency than just our passing game being flat and Bevell being 'cute'.

The thing that kills me is that Bevell seemingly hasn't, can't, or won't figure out how compensate for Tom Cable bungling his Run Coordinator duties by elevating the passing game. When your brother falls down and is overburdened you give them a hand. So far Bevell hasn't stepped up in cleaning up Cable's mess in the RZ.

Pete needs to stop dicking around with these viceroy OC duties split between Bevell and Cable.

 

[mrt144]

The red zone rushing problem is getting worse and shows no signs of abating. We should probably fire the run game coordinator, whoever that is.

Not only is it still Cable, but they actually elevated his control this season!! ukeface:

With the Seattle Seahawks falling from first in the NFL in cumulative rushing offense over the first five years of Tom Cable’s tenure as offensive line coach to 25th in 2016, not to mention the difficulties protecting pass plays and developing talent that persisted for several years, a certain segment of Seahawks fans hoped this miserable performance might startle Pete Carroll into reorganizing the coaching staff. Many have asked for Cable to be fired outright but at the very least, this segment insisted, Carroll and the Seattle front office should be taking a hard reassessment of Cable’s stewardship as Assistant Head Coach and “run game coordinator” entering 2017.

Instead, the organization doubled down on Cable’s position
..... by declining to go outside the organization to find a new position coach, Seattle indicated that Carroll was mostly fine with the direction of the unit. Now working with Morton, primarily a kick return specialist in his coaching career, Cable looks like he has nearly unilateral control over Seattle’s running game.

Read it an weep....

https://www.fieldgulls.com/2017/3/3...able-offensive-line-sherman-smith-chad-morton

Thank you for playing along and filling in some key details. I was hoping someone would be game.

 

[scutterhawk]

I learned, while generally a well coached team, they lack "common football sense" when running an offense. How many hb screens have we ran this year? How often do we get 3 to 5 step drops? Our offense has had success by being gimmicky(zone reads, fly sweeps, scramble and pray).

It's like basic tried and true methods to help a struggling oline are just glossed over. Either that, or Bevell has no business calling plays.

It seems Bevell has run out of ideas on how to punch the ball in----Proof is in the fact that he REPEATED the same play that cost us our second SB win......I mean for cripes sake, all he has to do is WATCH how some of our Opponents have been smoking our Defense with their RZ TD 's in the last couple Years.
The days of keeping plays efficiently simple are long gone.

 

[Siouxhawk]

I learned, while generally a well coached team, they lack "common football sense" when running an offense. How many hb screens have we ran this year? How often do we get 3 to 5 step drops? Our offense has had success by being gimmicky(zone reads, fly sweeps, scramble and pray).

It's like basic tried and true methods to help a struggling oline are just glossed over. Either that, or Bevell has no business calling plays.

It seems Bevell has run out of ideas on how to punch the ball in----Proof is in the fact that he REPEATED the same play that cost us our second SB win......I mean for cripes sake, all he has to do is WATCH how some of our Opponents have been smoking our Defense with their RZ TD 's in the last couple Years.
The days of keeping plays efficiently simple are long gone.

It wasn't the same play. There wasn't even a pick or rub. Jimmy was the option we needed to take.