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Green Bay has a much better qb, as simple as that.
TraderGary":2ia28m2g said:To the OP's original post
That said, I would really like to see what Russ could do in an offense that was built and designed around his greatest strengths, but we've never had that with the Hawks. I tend to think in the right offensive system, Russ could possibly be in that elite category.
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keasley45":1dftrsfc said:TraderGary":1dftrsfc said:To the OP's original post
That said, I would really like to see what Russ could do in an offense that was built and designed around his greatest strengths, but we've never had that with the Hawks. I tend to think in the right offensive system, Russ could possibly be in that elite category.
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I think that's key. But how do you build an offense around a guy who won't throw the ball when it needs to be thrown, to the receivers that are 'NFL' open, and in rhythm?
Wheres the OC for that guy? Maybe it starts with reestablishing the fundamentals and consistency.
When Russ is off script, he can make plays other qb's can't even dream of. But I swear, he can pull a rabbit out of a hat but then at times seems incapable of doing simple things.
Rodgers doesn't have a weakness. Running game struggling? He can best you with his arm.
Cover the long stuff, he can kill you underneath.
Have a good pass rush? He can be elusive and make the play regardless.
You don't often see him make off throws
And if there's an open guy on the field anywhere, he will find him.
Take away Adams, he will best you with someone you never heard him.
Cover Adams like a blanket. He will get him the ball anyway.
But fundamentally, he knows every shred of the playbook. Whether McCarthy's or LaFleur's. He doesn't miss anything. Rodgers hit every opportunity we missed last week.
And I hate him for all of that.
That's a fair and very good question Keasley. I could be wrong, but I honestly don't recall Russ consistently ignoring wide open receivers in the short and intermediate routes the way he did this past season. It's almost as if there's some sort of mental block. Is he so intent on making the big splash plays that he completely ignores the underneath routes, or is he concentrating so hard on the receivers running the deep routes that he's just not seeing those open receivers underneath?keasley45":2pjyje9p said:TraderGary":2pjyje9p said:To the OP's original post
That said, I would really like to see what Russ could do in an offense that was built and designed around his greatest strengths, but we've never had that with the Hawks. I tend to think in the right offensive system, Russ could possibly be in that elite category.
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I think that's key. But how do you build an offense around a guy who won't throw the ball when it needs to be thrown, to the receivers that are 'NFL' open, and in rhythm?
Wheres the OC for that guy? Maybe it starts with reestablishing the fundamentals and consistency.
When Russ is off script, he can make plays other qb's can't even dream of. But I swear, he can pull a rabbit out of a hat but then at times seems incapable of doing simple things.
Rodgers doesn't have a weakness. Running game struggling? He can best you with his arm.
Cover the long stuff, he can kill you underneath.
Have a good pass rush? He can be elusive and make the play regardless.
You don't often see him make off throws
And if there's an open guy on the field anywhere, he will find him.
Take away Adams, he will best you with someone you never heard him.
Cover Adams like a blanket. He will get him the ball anyway.
But fundamentally, he knows every shred of the playbook. Whether McCarthy's or LaFleur's. He doesn't miss anything. Rodgers hit every opportunity we missed last week.
And I hate him for all of that.
No matter the reason that Russ is missing/ignoring open guys, they all come down to being his problem. If he's suddenly gun shy because Pete got in his ear, then he doesn't have what it takes to be a great QB anymore. There is zero chance of him getting pulled out of a game unless he went full melt down or got hurt, so no fear of that. There is literally no good excuse for him to miss those reads that isn't attributable to his own inability to execute in some facet of the position on a particular play.TraderGary":1f9asrlr said:That's a fair and very good question Keasley. I could be wrong, but I honestly don't recall Russ consistently ignoring wide open receivers in the short and intermediate routes the way he did this past season. It's almost as if there's some sort of mental block. Is he so intent on making the big splash plays that he completely ignores the underneath routes, or is he concentrating so hard on the receivers running the deep routes that he's just not seeing those open receivers underneath?keasley45":1f9asrlr said:TraderGary":1f9asrlr said:To the OP's original post
That said, I would really like to see what Russ could do in an offense that was built and designed around his greatest strengths, but we've never had that with the Hawks. I tend to think in the right offensive system, Russ could possibly be in that elite category.
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I think that's key. But how do you build an offense around a guy who won't throw the ball when it needs to be thrown, to the receivers that are 'NFL' open, and in rhythm?
Wheres the OC for that guy? Maybe it starts with reestablishing the fundamentals and consistency.
When Russ is off script, he can make plays other qb's can't even dream of. But I swear, he can pull a rabbit out of a hat but then at times seems incapable of doing simple things.
Rodgers doesn't have a weakness. Running game struggling? He can best you with his arm.
Cover the long stuff, he can kill you underneath.
Have a good pass rush? He can be elusive and make the play regardless.
You don't often see him make off throws
And if there's an open guy on the field anywhere, he will find him.
Take away Adams, he will best you with someone you never heard him.
Cover Adams like a blanket. He will get him the ball anyway.
But fundamentally, he knows every shred of the playbook. Whether McCarthy's or LaFleur's. He doesn't miss anything. Rodgers hit every opportunity we missed last week.
And I hate him for all of that.
Obviously none of us know the answer to that, but everyone knows Pete loves the deep ball so is it a matter of Pete getting in Wilson's head? I'm certain Pete is not telling Russ to ignore the shorter stuff if the deeper routes are not open, but for whatever reason, Russ seems ultra focused on the splash plays, almost to the point of tunnel vision.
Regardless what the reasons are, clearly he has regressed this year. Did he just all of a sudden forget how to read defenses? Can he not spot open receivers any longer within the scope of the offense? Does it have something to do with being gun shy from all the hits he's taken over the years behind a less than stellar OL that he doesn't feel like he has time to scan the field for an open receiver? Or is it because Pete is in his subconscious to the point that Russ is afraid of making a mistake?
After 9 years in the league and 3 years working with Schotty, Russ should have a sixth sense of where every receiver is going to be on every play. Particularly someone like Wilson who always preaches preparation. And if he's reading the defense properly, he should have a pretty good idea where the openings are going to be in the zones before the ball is snapped, and who's likely to be open based on that defense. And yet he seems completely lost at times, and it has really stood out this past season more than any other that I can recall.
Whatever his issues are, I think they're coachable. Whoever they bring in as the new OC needs to get him refocused. I tend to believe that once Pete reeled him in mid season after all the turnovers, Russ lost some of his focus, confidence, and maybe even some of his drive.
The new OC along with the QB coach need to work with him extensively in the offseason and get him refocused and back on track. Their main focal points need to be his ability to see the entire field, and taking what the defense is giving you. Making quick decisions and getting the ball out. Taking the easy 1st downs vs trying to constantly make the hero play.
And whoever the OC is needs to design an offense that takes advantage of Wilson's unique skillset. If they want to run the ball more, that's fine. But how about being a little more creative than running the same two rushing plays over and over again. And while they're at it, how about more bootlegs and moving the pocket, particularly when our OL can't keep the rush out of Wilson's face for more than 2 seconds. Moving Russ out of the pocket puts a hell of a lot more pressure on the opposing defenses. Take advantage of that. And let's run more stretch plays. Make the defenses defend the entire width of the field. And how about a route tree that actually schemes receivers open on 3rd downs. Our 3rd down efficiency is laughable if it wasn't so frustrating.
I got off track a little, but I firmly believe whatever Wilson's issues were this year are fixable with the right coaching and the proper schemes. But Pete needs to stay the hell out of the way if that's even possible, which is why I want someone like Pederson. I seriously doubt he would put up with Pete's micromanaging.
John63":10zox60g said:So here is thing. Not long ago everyone thought Rodgers was done. He was playing bad. Then they invested in oline, rbs, new HC and new system. A system that is built for Rodgers. So let's see Rodgers has
A better oline
Bettwr system
Those 2 things alone give him the edge. Put Rodgers on our team in our system he us no were near were as good as he is now. That's not to say if everything us equal he is or is not better than Wilson. Just that we can't know as the variables are not the same.
We might have had a better chance with Rodgers, and I agree that posters getting touchy about that are too sensitive. We did have a chance to win the Super Bowl with Russ though.Tokadub":340wbqaa said:We might of had a chance to win the super bowl with Aaron Rodgers. He is clearly the best considering Mahomes offensive options. Thats not a slam on Wilson saying he is worst than maybe the best QB of all time...
NJlargent":z3jigfhv said:Rodgers is a smidge better but the packers coaching is way better.
Dallashawksfan":3ei8gnd3 said:NJlargent":3ei8gnd3 said:Rodgers is a smidge better but the packers coaching is way better.
Rodgers is a lot better