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If someone offered a mid round 1st and a late round pick for him are you taking it?
2_0_6":3crmqj9w said:If someone offered a mid round 1st and a late round pick for him are you taking it?
I see it pretty much this way..Spin Doctor":3lomufk4 said:Frank Clark is going to get a deal similar to Khalil Mack's, either just under or right at that level. If we don't pay him, someone else will pay his asking price. That is just how the league works. If we want to keep Clark we're going to have to pay to play.
Do I want to keep him? Absolutely, at that price? Eh, probably not. It's a hard decision, because he is our only viable edge rusher. I don't think he is worth Khalil Mack money even in a league that has an ever rising salary cap. Clark can be a bit of an enigma. Not the best against the run, and he tends to pull a disappearing act too often for my liking. That being said he is a pretty strong team leader. People on our team seem to stop and listen when he talks. I personally think the franchise tag is the best option, especially with the new CBA coming up. I'm sure he's thinking the same thing, the new CBA could be huge for him.
Do you guys honestly think Clark is worth close to 24 million/year? As a free agent, I think he would be lucky to get 17.IndyHawk":3ul77vhx said:I see it pretty much this way..Spin Doctor":3ul77vhx said:Frank Clark is going to get a deal similar to Khalil Mack's, either just under or right at that level. If we don't pay him, someone else will pay his asking price. That is just how the league works. If we want to keep Clark we're going to have to pay to play.
Do I want to keep him? Absolutely, at that price? Eh, probably not. It's a hard decision, because he is our only viable edge rusher. I don't think he is worth Khalil Mack money even in a league that has an ever rising salary cap. Clark can be a bit of an enigma. Not the best against the run, and he tends to pull a disappearing act too often for my liking. That being said he is a pretty strong team leader. People on our team seem to stop and listen when he talks. I personally think the franchise tag is the best option, especially with the new CBA coming up. I'm sure he's thinking the same thing, the new CBA could be huge for him.
But I'm not big on overpaying anyone..Trade and build up all around.
knownone":2rweiz1l said:Do you guys honestly think Clark is worth close to 24 million/year? As a free agent, I think he would be lucky to get 17.
If you guys are right about his price range, I'd rather trade him as well. If Mack gets you a 1st and 2nd round value (all things considered), Frank should be worth a 1st and 4th at least.
$50M+ of cap room on Wilson and Clark? Wonder what Clark can fetch in a trade after the franchise tag?Fade":21qybh2y said:The Colts wouldn't blink at giving him $20M+ APY.
If he hits the open market he will challenge Khalil Mack's contract. It's not about who is better, it's about the cap going up every year and who is the next guy up in Free Agency. After QB, pass rushers are the most valued players in the sport.
Derek Carr, Matt Stafford, Jimmy G, etc, all make more money than Russell Wilson, not because they are better but because they were coming up as Free Agents at the most valued position after Rodgers & Wilson signed there contracts.
Then Cousins topped all of them last off-season at a crazy $28M APY fully guaranteed. The same holds true for pass rushers, the 2nd most valued position. The next guy up gets big $$$$$ that is how it works. Frank Clark is the next guy up.
If the Seahawks can sign him for under $20M APY, everyone should be relieved because he would get more on the open market.
Seattle has potentially botched this whole situation because Clark should've been signed after Danielle Hunter got his deal last summer for $15M APY. I say potentially because maybe Clark all along wanted to roll the dice, risk injury this last season, and not do an extension and try to get to Free Agency. If though Seattle balked at paying Clark $15-16M APY last summer, shame on them.
A-Dog":2xa1g04o said:I've never been sold on Clark. Obviously he had a great year and he's by far the best edge rusher the Seahawks have, but I don't see him as the centerpiece of the defense, a consistent dominator and team leader.
A-Dog":2xa1g04o said:I've noticed that a lot of his sacks have come on stunts or by anticipating the snap count.
A-Dog":2xa1g04o said:He's also a knucklehead who lacks maturity and makes bad decisions.
A-Dog":2xa1g04o said:If he can put together another ~14 sack season and stays healthy then maybe you think about it. That's why you franchise him this year.
Giving him 18M+ long term with big time guarantees would be a mistake, and there's really no reason to after one very good season.
While I agree, Clark does sometime disappear in some games, all players, even the "elite" disappear during some games.Atradees":2lqa01kz said:Clark is good but he is not the franchise. In fact he can disappear against better competition. We cant afford to pay Clark at this point in the rebuild. It will derail us...... unless we find a guys as dynamic as he is to pair with him. 8 to 10 mil max
ImTheScientist":7tnwagm2 said:Franchise and trade.... the raiders have picks
1. So media literature is the ground source truth on a player's value/contributions?MontanaHawk05":2x5v34kv said:Then you haven't been paying attention. That's exactly what he is, according to pretty much every piece of media literature that comes out on him.
Disagree. The best DE's can consistently win one-on-one with speed, power, and technique. Cliff Avril consistently did this. I have not seen this from Clark (although he certainly made a leap this year). Clark more often than not needs help to get his sacks (although again, he was better this year - let's see if he can repeat it).MontanaHawk05":2x5v34kv said:These are how the best DE's get sacks.
Are you forgetting about the time he injured Ifedi during a TC fight and was benched as a result? Or the time he had to apologize twice after a tweet threatening a reporter's job when she wrote about his history with domestic violence? Is tweeting "That boy a bitch, I can't wait to play his punk ass" a sign of maturity?MontanaHawk05":2x5v34kv said:Once. Water under the bridge.
28 players had nine or more sacks this season, and 11 players had 13 or more. So yes, I would say 9 sacks is a "good" season, 14 is a "very good" season, and 20.5 (the number Aaron Donald got) is a "great" season.MontanaHawk05":2x5v34kv said:Nobody's saying he's Aaron Donald, but he's not had one very good season. He had 9 sacks in 2017. Even that is difficult to find in this league, to say nothing of 14.
I don't think it's like our QB situation at all. Wilson has been at a high level consistently for years. He's also a rock as a teammate, leader, and member of the community. There is little risk that he will suddenly be be dramatically less productive. Also, while 4-3 EDGE is a premier position, QB is in a class of its own. Not a valid comparison.MontanaHawk05":2x5v34kv said:It's like the QB decision. Yes, Wilson's going to get overpaid, because the difficulty of replacing him is extremely high.
This is the type of thinking that got us here today..Fade":1apqm4vd said:People freak out about the money way too much. These deals become bargains two years after they are signed. The key is to not sign bad players to big money. Frank Clark is not a bad player.
Cary Williams, Luke Joeckel, Eddie Lacey, Percy Harvin, etc. Those are the deals that cripple your team in a rolling cap.
That is flushing cap space down the toilet right there.
Fade":1bwpc7qy said:People freak out about the money way too much. These deals become bargains two years after they are signed.
The key is to not sign bad players to big money. Frank Clark is not a bad player.
Cary Williams, Luke Joeckel, Eddie Lacey, Percy Harvin, etc. Those are the deals that cripple your team in a rolling cap.
That is flushing cap space down the toilet right there.