Sac":16nvdz9s said:It shouldn't be a "happy" day, I don't think.
I don't know. My four years ended in October, 2001. But I have a number of friends that never came back from Iraq and Afghanistan. They died fighting for each other, but they didn't die defending freedom of any sort. They died for money, and power, and greed. And it pisses me off every time I see one of those memes saying our soldiers died defending our freedom. Because they didn't. That hasn't been the mission since WWII.JSeahawks":oej5q5gi said:Sac":oej5q5gi said:It shouldn't be a "happy" day, I don't think.
Sure it should.
When I'm gone I would hope that people remember me with happy thoughts and by having a good time. I'm sure that most would feel the same way.
Sac":22un3j0g said:I don't know. My four years ended in October, 2001. But I have a number of friends that never came back from Iraq and Afghanistan. They died fighting for each other, but they didn't die defending freedom of any sort. They died for money, and power, and greed. And it pisses me off every time I see one of those memes saying our soldiers died defending our freedom. Because they didn't. That hasn't been the mission since WWII.JSeahawks":22un3j0g said:Sac":22un3j0g said:It shouldn't be a "happy" day, I don't think.
Sure it should.
When I'm gone I would hope that people remember me with happy thoughts and by having a good time. I'm sure that most would feel the same way.
Well said. And there are exceptions. But overall, we as a nation, as well as the people of Iraq and Afghanistan would've been better off if we never went there.Gametime":kyh7k262 said:Sac":kyh7k262 said:I don't know. My four years ended in October, 2001. But I have a number of friends that never came back from Iraq and Afghanistan. They died fighting for each other, but they didn't die defending freedom of any sort. They died for money, and power, and greed. And it pisses me off every time I see one of those memes saying our soldiers died defending our freedom. Because they didn't. That hasn't been the mission since WWII.JSeahawks":kyh7k262 said:Sac":kyh7k262 said:It shouldn't be a "happy" day, I don't think.
Sure it should.
When I'm gone I would hope that people remember me with happy thoughts and by having a good time. I'm sure that most would feel the same way.
As a disabled combat veteran (Marine Corps infantry) I think it's not that simple. The fight may not have been directly for American Freedom but you can't argue with the fact that the oppression many faced in Iraq and Afganistan was appaling and their freedom was being fought for. War blows. It is a failure of humanity pure and simple. Yes there is greed and money and politics involved as that's part of life. I do not celebrate war or conflict but am proud to have served with men who, when called on, did their jobs very well. I met plenty of people who had been tortured and oppressed by evil men and their appreciation will never leave my memory.
Memorial day is great but for those who have buried friends, children, or parents it's just got more of a sobering appreciation feel than one of joy. Hug your kids, drink your beers, and pray that someday war becomes a memory of history and not a constant state of existence.
And go Hawks.
Sac":2m7gg648 said:I don't know. My four years ended in October, 2001. But I have a number of friends that never came back from Iraq and Afghanistan. They died fighting for each other, but they didn't die defending freedom of any sort. They died for money, and power, and greed. And it pisses me off every time I see one of those memes saying our soldiers died defending our freedom. Because they didn't. That hasn't been the mission since WWII.JSeahawks":2m7gg648 said:Sac":2m7gg648 said:It shouldn't be a "happy" day, I don't think.
Sure it should.
When I'm gone I would hope that people remember me with happy thoughts and by having a good time. I'm sure that most would feel the same way.
I don't want to get into a PWR debate because this isn't the place. We just hired a guy who spent a ton of time in the middle east and his rendition of what they people want and think of us is vastly different. Maybe a discussion for another time. Here's a thank you to you and every other veteran who served our country.Sac":21mk4ol0 said:Well said. And there are exceptions. But overall, we as a nation, as well as the people of Iraq and Afghanistan would've been better off if we never went there.Gametime":21mk4ol0 said:Sac":21mk4ol0 said:I don't know. My four years ended in October, 2001. But I have a number of friends that never came back from Iraq and Afghanistan. They died fighting for each other, but they didn't die defending freedom of any sort. They died for money, and power, and greed. And it pisses me off every time I see one of those memes saying our soldiers died defending our freedom. Because they didn't. That hasn't been the mission since WWII.JSeahawks":21mk4ol0 said:Sac said:It shouldn't be a "happy" day, I don't think.
Sure it should.
When I'm gone I would hope that people remember me with happy thoughts and by having a good time. I'm sure that most would feel the same way.
As a disabled combat veteran (Marine Corps infantry) I think it's not that simple. The fight may not have been directly for American Freedom but you can't argue with the fact that the oppression many faced in Iraq and Afganistan was appaling and their freedom was being fought for. War blows. It is a failure of humanity pure and simple. Yes there is greed and money and politics involved as that's part of life. I do not celebrate war or conflict but am proud to have served with men who, when called on, did their jobs very well. I met plenty of people who had been tortured and oppressed by evil men and their appreciation will never leave my memory.
Memorial day is great but for those who have buried friends, children, or parents it's just got more of a sobering appreciation feel than one of joy. Hug your kids, drink your beers, and pray that someday war becomes a memory of history and not a constant state of existence.
And go Hawks.
I'll agree with that. I'd just like for people to be more reflective on the cost of war and perhaps reevaluate their priorities when it comes to sending us into combat.Gametime":3uqtmwqk said:I do agree somewhat Sac. It's war. There are no perfect solutions. No real winners. That we can 100% agree on. My point is that it shouldn't take anything from the sacrifice men and woman have and will pay to be a part of our Armed Forces. That's all.
Sac":1hectjoj said:I'll agree with that. I'd just like for people to be more reflective on the cost of war and perhaps reevaluate their priorities when it comes to sending us into combat.Gametime":1hectjoj said:I do agree somewhat Sac. It's war. There are no perfect solutions. No real winners. That we can 100% agree on. My point is that it shouldn't take anything from the sacrifice men and woman have and will pay to be a part of our Armed Forces. That's all.
The overly patriotic nonsense just because is what I find irritating.