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Why I'm excited for the future.
Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:03 pm
  • Was reading through the thread about Neiko Thorpe and it made me realize why I'm excited about the future.

    It's thoughts like players jumping into the starting role and taking off that are why I'm excited for the change. I love the team we had but also felt like it was always hanging on to former glory. Everyone looking back at what was, instead of what could still be. Started feeling like we were coming down, not going up (even though I was hoping we were still going up). Now that this team will be new and towards the "bottom" so to speak, I'm looking forward to see how far it can rise.

    Looking forward to seeing what gems can rise out of the new starters we will be having going forward. Looking forward to what personalities emerge. Most of all i'm looking forward to seeing if this FO can replicate what they did in the past, but even if they can't I will always thank them for bringing a championship to Seattle

    I'm just very optimistic. I know there are a lot here who aren't, but that's okay. Do you. Just not gonna go there myself.


    p.s. The towards the bottom comment is really more about the unknown than assuming this team will be bottom dwellers from the start.
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Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:33 pm
  • When the stars got older and started getting hurt it did feel stale and hanging on
    to past glory.The attitudes became more about me instead of we and that got old fast.
    I'm excited too to see who rises and if they play as a team that is hungry.
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Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:37 pm
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Re: Why I'm excited for the future.
Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:52 pm
  • I'll buy in once the draft is done but I got a little more belly aching to do yet.
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Re: Why I'm excited for the future.
Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:00 pm
  • People think we will have this huge dropoff, because we had a "bunch of stars" and now we just have a bunch of guys.

    The problem is, we didn't have a "bunch of stars" we had a "bunch of guys" with egos like stars, but weren't playing like stars anymore - so we underachieved constantly.

    Now that we are back to just a "bunch of guys" I feel we should see some overachieving again. :)
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Re: Why I'm excited for the future.
Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:39 pm
  • flmmkrz wrote:I'll buy in once the draft is done but I got a little more belly aching to do yet.

    Hey, at least you're straight up about it. I guess I can relate.
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Re: Why I'm excited for the future.
Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:26 pm
  • Whatever my pessimism re the immediate future, it is just the natural evolution of an NFL team.
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Re: Why I'm excited for the future.
Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:39 pm
  • DomeHawk wrote:Whatever my pessimism re the immediate future, it is just the natural evolution of an NFL team.

    Damn Chamorro cowboys fan asked me what I thought of the Hawks next year and I said roughly the same thing. There's a balance you have to keep or the scale tips one way or the other and you lose options and thus chances. You have to correct it and it might cost in the short term. He just kind of nodded and walked away. Good dude, really.
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Re: Why I'm excited for the future.
Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:44 pm
  • I like our chances.
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Re: Why I'm excited for the future.
Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:51 pm
  • The_Z_Man wrote:The problem is, we didn't have a "bunch of stars" we had a "bunch of guys" with egos like stars, but weren't playing like stars anymore - so we underachieved constantly.


    See. I don't think it was the players fault, but more on the coaches end. I blame them for our underachieving.
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Re: Why I'm excited for the future.
Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:47 am
  • Honestly? I think the Sun in our sky burst on that final play in XLIX. That team never, ever recovered emotionally, spiritually, and it couldn't be more obvious than what we have seen unfold in recent months. Giving credit to John and Pete, they are doing everything they possibly can to reboot and see if lightning can strike twice in the Pacific Northwest.

    I meant it. I like our chances.
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Re: Why I'm excited for the future.
Sat Mar 24, 2018 8:57 pm
  • Aros wrote:That team never, ever recovered


    You act like they've been missing the playoffs for three years rather than one.
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Re: Why I'm excited for the future.
Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:38 pm
  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    Aros wrote:That team never, ever recovered


    You act like they've been missing the playoffs for three years rather than one.


    I'm talking spiritually, emotionally as a whole. Not whether they were able to get back to the playoffs or not.
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Re: Why I'm excited for the future.
Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:01 pm
  • Aros wrote:Honestly? I think the Sun in our sky burst on that final play in XLIX. That team never, ever recovered emotionally, spiritually, and it couldn't be more obvious than what we have seen unfold in recent months. Giving credit to John and Pete, they are doing everything they possibly can to reboot and see if lightning can strike twice in the Pacific Northwest.

    I meant it. I like our chances.


    I agree with you 100%. If there were any lingering doubt about the impact of that final play of SB XLIX, I'd say Luke Willson's recent interview pretty much confirmed everything we'd concluded and have been saying for years. That team never did recover. It really and truly was a broken team from that point on. I'm very much in favor of what Schneider has done this offseason. If anything, I'd say this reboot should really have begun a couple of years ago. It's become crystal clear this is what was necessary.

    I like our chances as well. I don't know that we're necessarily as far away as many might think. I'll have a better handle on things after the draft and minicamp, but I would not be shocked whatsoever to see this team back in the playoffs again this year.
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Re: Why I'm excited for the future.
Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:07 am
  • Hawkscanner wrote:
    Aros wrote:Honestly? I think the Sun in our sky burst on that final play in XLIX. That team never, ever recovered emotionally, spiritually, and it couldn't be more obvious than what we have seen unfold in recent months. Giving credit to John and Pete, they are doing everything they possibly can to reboot and see if lightning can strike twice in the Pacific Northwest.

    I meant it. I like our chances.


    I agree with you 100%. If there were any lingering doubt about the impact of that final play of SB XLIX, I'd say Luke Willson's recent interview pretty much confirmed everything we'd concluded and have been saying for years. That team never did recover. It really and truly was a broken team from that point on. I'm very much in favor of what Schneider has done this offseason. If anything, I'd say this reboot should really have begun a couple of years ago. It's become crystal clear this is what was necessary.

    I like our chances as well. I don't know that we're necessarily as far away as many might think. I'll have a better handle on things after the draft and minicamp, but I would not be shocked whatsoever to see this team back in the playoffs again this year.

    While I totally agree with your post, I have to laugh at Willson. Man, he sure picked a winning franchise to play for. :irishdrinkers: :sarcasm_on:
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Re: Why I'm excited for the future.
Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:39 am
  • Hawkscanner wrote:
    Aros wrote:Honestly? I think the Sun in our sky burst on that final play in XLIX. That team never, ever recovered emotionally, spiritually, and it couldn't be more obvious than what we have seen unfold in recent months. Giving credit to John and Pete, they are doing everything they possibly can to reboot and see if lightning can strike twice in the Pacific Northwest.

    I meant it. I like our chances.


    I agree with you 100%. If there were any lingering doubt about the impact of that final play of SB XLIX, I'd say Luke Willson's recent interview pretty much confirmed everything we'd concluded and have been saying for years. That team never did recover. It really and truly was a broken team from that point on. I'm very much in favor of what Schneider has done this offseason. If anything, I'd say this reboot should really have begun a couple of years ago. It's become crystal clear this is what was necessary.

    I like our chances as well. I don't know that we're necessarily as far away as many might think. I'll have a better handle on things after the draft and minicamp, but I would not be shocked whatsoever to see this team back in the playoffs again this year.


    I definitely agree they are about two years too late for the reboot but better late than never. I just hope both JS and PC are around in five or so years to see this reboot to the very end of its shelf life like they've been for the first.

    With fresh, hungry and young blood happily and eagerly absorbing Pete's message and culture I really do think this team will be back in the mix and in the playoffs sooner than some think. Could very well be as soon as this season.
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Re: Why I'm excited for the future.
Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:48 am
  • Aros wrote:
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    Aros wrote:Honestly? I think the Sun in our sky burst on that final play in XLIX. That team never, ever recovered emotionally, spiritually, and it couldn't be more obvious than what we have seen unfold in recent months. Giving credit to John and Pete, they are doing everything they possibly can to reboot and see if lightning can strike twice in the Pacific Northwest.

    I meant it. I like our chances.


    I agree with you 100%. If there were any lingering doubt about the impact of that final play of SB XLIX, I'd say Luke Willson's recent interview pretty much confirmed everything we'd concluded and have been saying for years. That team never did recover. It really and truly was a broken team from that point on. I'm very much in favor of what Schneider has done this offseason. If anything, I'd say this reboot should really have begun a couple of years ago. It's become crystal clear this is what was necessary.

    I like our chances as well. I don't know that we're necessarily as far away as many might think. I'll have a better handle on things after the draft and minicamp, but I would not be shocked whatsoever to see this team back in the playoffs again this year.


    I definitely agree they are about two years too late for the reboot but better late than never. I just hope both JS and PC are around in five or so years to see this reboot to the very end of its shelf life like they've been for the first.

    With fresh, hungry and young blood happily and eagerly absorbing Pete's message and culture I really do think this team will be back in the mix and in the playoffs sooner than some think. Could very well be as soon as this season.


    It is unfortunate, but we could not reboot a couple of years ago. We still had a winning season and still made the playoffs. The bad taste lingers until it takes over and then makes a person cleanse the soul. We cleaned most out...now lets see if they clean the rest.
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Re: Why I'm excited for the future.
Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:03 am
  • Barring an injury to Russ I am certain this team will make the playoffs next season, absolutely certain of it.
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Re: Why I'm excited for the future.
Sun Mar 25, 2018 9:23 pm
  • original poster wrote:Barring an injury to Russ I am certain this team will make the playoffs next season, absolutely certain of it.


    While I can't say I am certain of it, I do think it's a likely probability that the Seahawks make the playoffs baring any major injuries. The culture is ingrained. We are Patriots West. Wait, what? :shock:
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Re: Why I'm excited for the future.
Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:41 am
  • I'm excited because I choose to be. Not sure if they'll make the playoffs or not in 2018, but they certainly are capable of it as long as the most underappreciated QB around is under center. The team needed massive changes, we got exactly that. Bring on 2018.
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Re: Why I'm excited for the future.
Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:47 pm
  • original poster wrote:Barring an injury to Russ I am certain this team will make the playoffs next season, absolutely certain of it.


    This!!

    I expect guys to be hungrier, more on edge, more to gain/lose, less complaining, less entitled ..... all that should translate into more coachable. We also have cornerstone in place on the offense - Russ, defense - Wagner. We need players that look to the future, not players that live in the past, and we are heading in that direction.

    What we need to do is trade Earl .... source of our future draft picks, Kam/Avril/Earl ..... source of our future cap space.
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Re: Why I'm excited for the future.
Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:09 pm
  • This team isn't making the playoffs.

    They for sure aren't winning the division. It's the Rams division, for now. Hawks won't make it as a WC team, not as they are currently and it doesn't look like this team now won't be the same team come September.

    As long as Russ doesn't get killed they're a 6-7 win team.
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Re: Why I'm excited for the future.
Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:57 pm
  • acctingman wrote:This team isn't making the playoffs.

    They for sure aren't winning the division. It's the Rams division, for now. Hawks won't make it as a WC team, not as they are currently and it doesn't look like this team now won't be the same team come September.

    As long as Russ doesn't get killed they're a 6-7 win team.


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Re: Why I'm excited for the future.
Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:11 pm
  • toffee wrote:
    original poster wrote:Barring an injury to Russ I am certain this team will make the playoffs next season, absolutely certain of it.


    This!!

    I expect guys to be hungrier, more on edge, more to gain/lose, less complaining, less entitled ..... all that should translate into more coachable. We also have cornerstone in place on the offense - Russ, defense - Wagner. We need players that look to the future, not players that live in the past, and we are heading in that direction.

    What we need to do is trade Earl .... source of our future draft picks, Kam/Avril/Earl ..... source of our future cap space.


    Eh, I'd be shocked if we won the division. The Rams' talent level on D and coaching on offense blows ours out of the water right now. I can see a wildcard berth, but it'll be tough. The three NFCS teams are very strong and the NFCN has the Vikings and Packers. Could easily see some combination of those teams taking the WC spots. In our own division, we'd be competing with the niners for a WC spot.
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Re: Why I'm excited for the future.
Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:37 pm
  • Too late generally rarely works out well.

    This team had a chance to make changes, it chose not to.

    The horse left the barn long ago.

    This was a wild card team shortly thereafter and then it got worse through age, injury and incompetent FO moves.

    The guy who filled this team with talent is now gone. But the GM that oversaw if not created the slide (certainly exacerbated it) remains.

    Most of our division got better this year, we got worse.

    The future starts when JS and Carroll leave their tired stale concept of how to build a winning team behind or...

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Re: Why I'm excited for the future.
Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:36 pm
  • TwistedHusky wrote:Too late generally rarely works out well.

    This team had a chance to make changes, it chose not to.

    The horse left the barn long ago.

    This was a wild card team shortly thereafter and then it got worse through age, injury and incompetent FO moves.

    The guy who filled this team with talent is now gone. But the GM that oversaw if not created the slide (certainly exacerbated it) remains.

    Most of our division got better this year, we got worse.

    The future starts when JS and Carroll leave their tired stale concept of how to build a winning team behind or...

    Leave period.


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Re: Why I'm excited for the future.
Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:54 am
  • Not saying Carroll has to go at all. Or JS (Though I would not tear up on that news).

    But the same ideas don't work and that brand of football won't help.

    IF they are going to try to do the same thing as before with different guys? Please go.

    IF they go all in with Wilson and build around him, to focus this team to win with offense? Sure. But then they should have brought in someone from a great offense, like an ex-Steeler OC (who was available) or another rising staff member of a fantastic offense.

    I don't know that building around a defense with worse players will work. Especially because our scouting/development has been piss poor for the past few years.

    But more of the same crap we saw last year? No thank you.


    I don't watch football just to wait for the 4th quarter to see anything of note. And you don't need 4th quarter heroics if you bother to do things right in the first 3 quarters.

    But to me I see an old, tired philosophy that no longer works with the players he has or has had for a while. Not sure if there is much future if that same process gets implemented w less stars on the team.
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Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:57 am
  • Seems like you've been wanting Pete and John gone for a long while now.
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Re: Why I'm excited for the future.
Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:45 am
  • Aros wrote:
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    Aros wrote:Honestly? I think the Sun in our sky burst on that final play in XLIX. That team never, ever recovered emotionally, spiritually, and it couldn't be more obvious than what we have seen unfold in recent months. Giving credit to John and Pete, they are doing everything they possibly can to reboot and see if lightning can strike twice in the Pacific Northwest.

    I meant it. I like our chances.


    I agree with you 100%. If there were any lingering doubt about the impact of that final play of SB XLIX, I'd say Luke Willson's recent interview pretty much confirmed everything we'd concluded and have been saying for years. That team never did recover. It really and truly was a broken team from that point on. I'm very much in favor of what Schneider has done this offseason. If anything, I'd say this reboot should really have begun a couple of years ago. It's become crystal clear this is what was necessary.

    I like our chances as well. I don't know that we're necessarily as far away as many might think. I'll have a better handle on things after the draft and minicamp, but I would not be shocked whatsoever to see this team back in the playoffs again this year.


    I definitely agree they are about two years too late for the reboot but better late than never. I just hope both JS and PC are around in five or so years to see this reboot to the very end of its shelf life like they've been for the first.

    With fresh, hungry and young blood happily and eagerly absorbing Pete's message and culture I really do think this team will be back in the mix and in the playoffs sooner than some think. Could very well be as soon as this season.


    Absolutely. And I said that with great certainty and confidence because I've learned over time that there are certain essential elements to NFL teams that win consistently. If you have these bottom line elements (at a bare minimum) you will be a successful winning NFL team. Those are:

    1) Great Owner -- CHECK. I mean, come on, are there really and truly many better owners out there?
    2) Great GM -- CHECK. John Schneider has consistently shown that he is among the elite GM's in the game today.
    3) Great Head Coach -- CHECK. Pete Carroll -- not just good coach, legendary coach in so many ways.
    4) Great QB -- CHECK. Russell Wilson is without question among the NFL's truly elite QB's.

    Those are really the 4 consistent elements that a team needs. All the rest people ... is window dressing. All of the rest ... are parts (admittedly extremely necessary parts, mind you) which will change over time. The names and faces of those other elements will change over the years, but as long as you have those 4 things that remain consistent and in place, more times than not your NFL franchise will be a consistently winning/successful team.
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Re: Why I'm excited for the future.
Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:29 am
  • TwistedHusky wrote:The future starts when JS and Carroll leave their tired stale concept of how to build a winning team behind or...

    Leave period.

    TwistedHusky wrote:Not saying Carroll has to go at all. Or JS (Though I would not tear up on that news).


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Re: Why I'm excited for the future.
Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:08 pm
  • toffee wrote:
    acctingman wrote:This team isn't making the playoffs.

    They for sure aren't winning the division. It's the Rams division, for now. Hawks won't make it as a WC team, not as they are currently and it doesn't look like this team now won't be the same team come September.

    As long as Russ doesn't get killed they're a 6-7 win team.


    3 teams race, Hawks, Rams, and 9ers ....


    .......and the Saints, Vikings, and Eagles, etc, They better win the division. Those WC spots are gonna be tough to get in the NFC.
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Re: Why I'm excited for the future.
Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:52 pm
  • IndyHawk wrote:When the stars got older and started getting hurt it did feel stale and hanging on
    to past glory.The attitudes became more about me instead of we and that got old fast.
    I'm excited too to see who rises and if they play as a team that is hungry.


    A lot of people could be about to be pretty disappointed on this front.

    "Young, cheap, and hungry" is getting thrown around a lot these days as if it will guarantee a return to quality, but it's a logical fallacy to assume that pure motivation will make these guys stars - or that they made Carroll's previous generation stars. Earl, Kam, and Sherman didn't win a Super Bowl until their fourth, redshirt fourth, and third years, respectively, and they succeeded because they were well-scouted, well-coached All-Pro talents. They didn't shine because they were Mad At Having Been Passed Over™ or whatever it is people are assuming. Had Carroll's DB paradigm existed in the league at the time Kam and Sherman were drafted, they might have been day two, maybe day one draft picks. And Earl wasn't passed over at all.

    A lot of people haven't considered the very real possibility that these guys may get set loose on the field, young, cheap and hungry, and then just...suck. It's not enough to be young, cheap, and hungry. They also have to be good.

    And if Pete does return to a Super Bowl, he's going to do it largely with players that were drafted from 2015-2017. So the draft class of our next Super Bowl, if it happens, is already on the roster. What are we thinking about them?
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