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Did the Seahawks draft the wrong back? Both those guys looked like absolute studs this weekend. Penny can't even get the start over a low end backup?
QuickLightning":62t4e4k8 said:Did the Seahawks draft the wrong back? Both those guys looked like absolute studs this weekend. Penny can't even get the start over a low end backup?
Sgt. Largent":1io1gsbb said:I think Penny will be a good back.............but IMO in today's NFL game, if you draft a RB in the first round he better be a GREAT back, not just average or good.
So yes, as of now, and it's early in Penny's career it's a miss for me. We had and still have WAY too many holes all over this roster to have spent a 1st rounder on a 2nd or 3rd string RB.
ivotuk":ux6m2xpe said:Sgt. Largent":ux6m2xpe said:I think Penny will be a good back.............but IMO in today's NFL game, if you draft a RB in the first round he better be a GREAT back, not just average or good.
So yes, as of now, and it's early in Penny's career it's a miss for me. We had and still have WAY too many holes all over this roster to have spent a 1st rounder on a 2nd or 3rd string RB.
Hyperbole. Penny hasn't gotten his chance yet, those other guys are the lead backs on teams with either an offensive line or a passing game. Big difference.
Saying Penny is a 3rd string back 4 games in to the season is like Mel Kiper giving this team a D in April. It's too early.
Chubb isn't the lead back.... Penny had the majority of the carries up until two weeks ago. Thus far he is underwhelming. He could very well end up being our third string back when Carson comes back. Both Davis and Carson are outperforming him by a pretty big margin. If you take a runningback in the first round they had better produce right away.ivotuk":ldjkv8kz said:Sgt. Largent":ldjkv8kz said:I think Penny will be a good back.............but IMO in today's NFL game, if you draft a RB in the first round he better be a GREAT back, not just average or good.
So yes, as of now, and it's early in Penny's career it's a miss for me. We had and still have WAY too many holes all over this roster to have spent a 1st rounder on a 2nd or 3rd string RB.
Hyperbole. Penny hasn't gotten his chance yet, those other guys are the lead backs on teams with either an offensive line or a passing game. Big difference.
Saying Penny is a 3rd string back 4 games in to the season is like Mel Kiper giving this team a D in April. It's too early.
Spin Doctor":1dkrfts1 said:Chubb isn't the lead back.... Penny had the majority of the carries up until two weeks ago. Thus far he is underwhelming. He could very well end up being our third string back when Carson comes back. Both Davis and Carson are outperforming him by a pretty big margin. If you take a runningback in the first round they had better produce right away.ivotuk":1dkrfts1 said:Sgt. Largent":1dkrfts1 said:I think Penny will be a good back.............but IMO in today's NFL game, if you draft a RB in the first round he better be a GREAT back, not just average or good.
So yes, as of now, and it's early in Penny's career it's a miss for me. We had and still have WAY too many holes all over this roster to have spent a 1st rounder on a 2nd or 3rd string RB.
Hyperbole. Penny hasn't gotten his chance yet, those other guys are the lead backs on teams with either an offensive line or a passing game. Big difference.
Saying Penny is a 3rd string back 4 games in to the season is like Mel Kiper giving this team a D in April. It's too early.
I'm going to make a declaration right here: Penny will be a bust. I don't see very many redeeming features thus far.
On his big runs he had gaping holes that a semi truck could have driven through, against the 31st rated rush defense in the NFL.Hawkpower":22vz4nf1 said:Spin Doctor":22vz4nf1 said:Chubb isn't the lead back.... Penny had the majority of the carries up until two weeks ago. Thus far he is underwhelming. He could very well end up being our third string back when Carson comes back. Both Davis and Carson are outperforming him by a pretty big margin. If you take a runningback in the first round they had better produce right away.ivotuk":22vz4nf1 said:Sgt. Largent":22vz4nf1 said:I think Penny will be a good back.............but IMO in today's NFL game, if you draft a RB in the first round he better be a GREAT back, not just average or good.
So yes, as of now, and it's early in Penny's career it's a miss for me. We had and still have WAY too many holes all over this roster to have spent a 1st rounder on a 2nd or 3rd string RB.
Hyperbole. Penny hasn't gotten his chance yet, those other guys are the lead backs on teams with either an offensive line or a passing game. Big difference.
Saying Penny is a 3rd string back 4 games in to the season is like Mel Kiper giving this team a D in April. It's too early.
I'm going to make a declaration right here: Penny will be a bust. I don't see very many redeeming features thus far.
9 carries for 49 yards. Thats almost 6 yards per carry.
No redeeming features??
Talk about being overly tough on a guy in order to justify one's anger at a pick.
We have 3 pretty good backs right now. Penny will continue to get some carries. Can never have too many good backs.
Spin Doctor":2taf5t9v said:On his big runs he had gaping holes that a semi truck could have driven through, against the 31st rated rush defense in the NFL.Hawkpower":2taf5t9v said:Spin Doctor":2taf5t9v said:Chubb isn't the lead back.... Penny had the majority of the carries up until two weeks ago. Thus far he is underwhelming. He could very well end up being our third string back when Carson comes back. Both Davis and Carson are outperforming him by a pretty big margin. If you take a runningback in the first round they had better produce right away.ivotuk":2taf5t9v said:Hyperbole. Penny hasn't gotten his chance yet, those other guys are the lead backs on teams with either an offensive line or a passing game. Big difference.
Saying Penny is a 3rd string back 4 games in to the season is like Mel Kiper giving this team a D in April. It's too early.
I'm going to make a declaration right here: Penny will be a bust. I don't see very many redeeming features thus far.
9 carries for 49 yards. Thats almost 6 yards per carry.
No redeeming features??
Talk about being overly tough on a guy in order to justify one's anger at a pick.
We have 3 pretty good backs right now. Penny will continue to get some carries. Can never have too many good backs.
In order to be a good running back in the NFL you need to be able to make the first guy miss. I haven't seen Penny have that ability in the NFL. He isn't particularly elusive, and he isn't very powerful, especially when you consider his size -- he doesn't even have very good break away speed. He is brought down by simple arm tackles and he doesn't keep driving for yards on contact like Carson or Davis are able to do. He also has a ton of hesitation when running. He dances behind the LOS. Didn't like this guy in college, didn't like it when they draft him, and I like him even less when I watch him play in the NFL.
hawkfan68":1yakxxii said:Penny's style reminds me a lot of Shaun Alexander. Shaun is the Seahawk all time rushing leader and also leads in most TDs scored. He was #1 in both categories many times in his career. SA didn't do much his rookie season because he was behind another vet rb - Ricky Watters.
MrThortan":29qaiwp4 said:We have seen running backs that couldn't produce in our offense go to other teams and look better than they did here. Alex Collins is a great example.
MontanaHawk05":1aolcpaj said:MrThortan":1aolcpaj said:We have seen running backs that couldn't produce in our offense go to other teams and look better than they did here. Alex Collins is a great example.
He really isn't. You implied that our offense was the issue - Alex Collins was just straight-up fumbling and dropped passes at a time we had six other RB's to choose from, including Carson and Davis. It had nothing to do with "the offense".
The thing about Alexander is he really never struggled like Penny did early on in his career. He didn't get any playing time because Ricky Watters was there, and Holmgren was always hesitant to give rookies playing time. As a change of pace back he was pretty dang good in 2000.hawkfan68":3p8q8sd4 said:Spin Doctor":3p8q8sd4 said:On his big runs he had gaping holes that a semi truck could have driven through, against the 31st rated rush defense in the NFL.Hawkpower":3p8q8sd4 said:Spin Doctor":3p8q8sd4 said:Chubb isn't the lead back.... Penny had the majority of the carries up until two weeks ago. Thus far he is underwhelming. He could very well end up being our third string back when Carson comes back. Both Davis and Carson are outperforming him by a pretty big margin. If you take a runningback in the first round they had better produce right away.
I'm going to make a declaration right here: Penny will be a bust. I don't see very many redeeming features thus far.
9 carries for 49 yards. Thats almost 6 yards per carry.
No redeeming features??
Talk about being overly tough on a guy in order to justify one's anger at a pick.
We have 3 pretty good backs right now. Penny will continue to get some carries. Can never have too many good backs.
In order to be a good running back in the NFL you need to be able to make the first guy miss. I haven't seen Penny have that ability in the NFL. He isn't particularly elusive, and he isn't very powerful, especially when you consider his size -- he doesn't even have very good break away speed. He is brought down by simple arm tackles and he doesn't keep driving for yards on contact like Carson or Davis are able to do. He also has a ton of hesitation when running. He dances behind the LOS. Didn't like this guy in college, didn't like it when they draft him, and I like him even less when I watch him play in the NFL.
Penny's style reminds me a lot of Shaun Alexander. Shaun is the Seahawk all time rushing leader and also leads in most TDs scored. He was #1 in both categories many times in his career. SA didn't do much his rookie season because he was behind another vet rb - Ricky Watters.
I think it's too early to judge Penny. He could very well turn out to be a very good running back for the Seahawks. He's only 4 games into his career and missed most of preseason due to an injury. He deserves some slack, IMO.