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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:14 am
  • You do make some good points, but it's more fun to mess with the niner fan. All the same, I disagree on Kaep, I think we're gonna find when teams find away to take the option, he is gonna fail. I think Kaep is not gonna be around too long. I know a lot would disagree with me, but I really do have the feeling by the end of next season, niner fans are not gonna have so much love for him.

    man i'd like nothing more than to see that happen.. i just don't see how.. if you take away his running plays, he'll kill you inside the pocket, bring pressure he'll kill you with his legs.. the only knock i can see on the guy right now, is he takes too long to throw the ball in certain situations.. he waits for recievers to get open instead of throwing them open. not always but sometimes.. i think you can take away those designed run plays for him, but you can't take away the scrambles, just like RW.. again i hope i'm wrong.. i hope he fails miserably..
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:27 am
  • hawker84 wrote:You do make some good points, but it's more fun to mess with the niner fan. All the same, I disagree on Kaep, I think we're gonna find when teams find away to take the option, he is gonna fail. I think Kaep is not gonna be around too long. I know a lot would disagree with me, but I really do have the feeling by the end of next season, niner fans are not gonna have so much love for him.

    man i'd like nothing more than to see that happen.. i just don't see how.. if you take away his running plays, he'll kill you inside the pocket, bring pressure he'll kill you with his legs.. the only knock i can see on the guy right now, is he takes too long to throw the ball in certain situations.. he waits for recievers to get open instead of throwing them open. not always but sometimes.. i think you can take away those designed run plays for him, but you can't take away the scrambles, just like RW.. again i hope i'm wrong.. i hope he fails miserably..


    We had this concern as well in regards to what would happen if an opposing team took away his option to run. In fact I believe it was a topic that was brought up on NFLN and ESPN multiple times...until the NFCCG. He burned the Atlanta defense with his arm, and has done this multiple games. The bolded segment above is what makes the option so hard to defend. Eventually it will be tamed I am sure, but not any team can succeed with it. The Packers can't decide to just start running the option with Aaron because he doesn't have the scramble ability and speed that our 2 QB's have. It was mentioned last season that teams might start drafting QB's based on their ability to succeed in the option as it is a style that will be around for a while, as long as there are QB's who have the all around skills to execute it. Kaep's speed as witnessed in our Divisional win over GB shows why it is hard to defend. You give him a hole and he will burn EVERYBODY because he is just so darn fast!
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:45 am
  • Kaepernick does not handle pressure well a lot of the time, that needs to change before any 49ers fans start thinking he's great. Poor decision-making under pressure will keep him from ever being great if it's not fixed. Also, Kaepernick's a fast runner, but he's not quick. Chris Clemons also ran him down and forced a fumble just out of bounds, too; so I'm not sure how truly fast he is. But either way, I'll take quickness (Russell Wilson, look at that scrambling) over fast. The NFL isn't a track meet.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:47 am
  • Hopefully we can give all four of you one loss each... :lol:

    My predictions though:

    Seahawks (11-5)
    49ers (10-6)
    Rams (8-8)
    Cardinals (7-9)
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:39 pm
  • Seahawks 13-3
    49ers 10-6
    Rams 9-7
    Cardinals 7-9
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:47 pm
  • NinerLifer wrote:
    Lady Talon wrote:Hawks 12-4
    Rams 10-6
    9ers 10-6
    Cards 6-10

    Kaepernick, for all the hype, hasn't shown he can win games when the read option is taken away. He doesn't spread the ball around like successful QBs he zeroed in on Crabtree to the point Crabs was targeted twice as much as any other receiver in the NFL. Doesn't matter how good his arm is if he doesn't go through his progressions and take some pressure off his no1. It killed him at Seattle, and for half of the Superbowl. He will get game planned out, especially in the defense heavy NFC West.


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    Yeah. Against Atlanta. They have a rep for blowing leads and their defense is underwhelming compared to the Ravens and the NFC West.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:02 pm
  • Lady Talon wrote:Yeah. Against Atlanta. They have a rep for blowing leads and their defense is underwhelming compared to the Ravens and the NFC West.


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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:06 pm
  • Let's do some calculations here.

    The Seahawks were beat by the Falcons.

    Ok. Got that.

    The 49ers beat the Falcons.

    Alright, let's punch that in here.

    So when it comes to the Seahawks vs. the 49ers, it comes out to......the Seahawks completely embarrassing them 42-13.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:22 pm
  • I just see SF and SEA going neck and neck until the end again. In not ready to call STL a 10 win team.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:34 pm
  • loafoftatupu wrote:I just see SF and SEA going neck and neck until the end again. In not ready to call STL a 10 win team.


    Did you somehow miss that we were the only team to beat them in the division? Did you hear Jeff Fisher is their new coach? Did you happen to watch our last game with them? I wouldn't guarantee they'll get 10 wins, but will not at all be surprised. That team is for real, and I think we'll see it next year. Plus I think if you gave him good receivers, Bradford would be scary.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:45 pm
  • SeAhAwKeR4life wrote:Bradford would be scary.


    The team would be scary. Not Sam Bradford. Bradford will never scare anybody.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:28 pm
  • IronSaint wrote:Hopefully we can give all four of you one loss each... :lol:My predictions though:

    Seahawks (11-5)
    49ers (10-6)
    Rams (8-8)
    Cardinals (7-9)


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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:13 pm
  • SeAhAwKeR4life wrote:
    loafoftatupu wrote:I just see SF and SEA going neck and neck until the end again. In not ready to call STL a 10 win team.


    Did you somehow miss that we were the only team to beat them in the division? Did you hear Jeff Fisher is their new coach? Did you happen to watch our last game with them? I wouldn't guarantee they'll get 10 wins, but will not at all be surprised. That team is for real, and I think we'll see it next year. Plus I think if you gave him good receivers, Bradford would be scary.


    Seattle and SF are still better, not only that, but both Seattle and SF can improve on both sides of the ball and probably will next year. In not saying the Rams are 7-9 again, I just think that they will take more than one loss in the division in 2013. I can see them at 9-7 though. IMHO. I just think that while STL improves, it may not reflect as much in their record.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:23 pm
  • hawker84 wrote:Why i oughtta :141847_bnono:


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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:00 pm
  • NinerLifer wrote:
    hawker84 wrote:for those of you thinking the niners are going anywhere any time soon, or Kap is going to have a sophomore slump, that's just wishful thinking i'm afraid.. they have the most pics in the draft in our division, they are returning the majority of their starters, they are still young and will get younger via the draft.. Kap is an amazing athelete, and QB who will only improve having a full offseason with the 1's.. they have some issues to address , mainly db's, depth at D Line, possibly reciever... DB's being the priority.. they have a relatively easy road schedule compared to us.

    Same can be said about us.. we're returning almost all the starters, got good young players in the wings, draft and FA should sew up those problem areas next season, Pass rush, run defense, nickel position.. RW will be a monster next season, our offense should be pretty darn close to impossible to stop. we address those defensive issues, we got something brewing boys. Don't forget , we have a very tough road schedule compared to them.

    rams are right there as well, defense will be stellar, i think their season rest on bradfords shoulders, they'll go as far as he'll take them.. Cards are a couple seasons away from making noise IMO. i don't think this division is a gimme by any means by either of the teams..


    Well said.

    You are both right. They aren't going anywhere anytime soon while the Seahawks regain the division in 2013. It will be a tough division. Rams and SF tie twice. SF ties Arizona 1x.

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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:04 am
  • JonRud wrote:The OP has too many wins for the division. 40-24 with 3 playoff teams? No way. And the Rams are not winning any 11 games with 4 games to play vs. Sea & SF.

    Seahawks 12-4
    49ers 10-6
    Rams 7-9
    Cards 4-12



    Rams' record 2012 against the Seahawks and Niners: one loss. 2-1-1.

    And that is with a team who won only 2 games in 2011.

    You can say a lot of things about the Rams, but playing bad in the NFC W? No.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:25 am
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    SeAhAwKeR4life wrote:Bradford would be scary.


    The team would be scary. Not Sam Bradford. Bradford will never scare anybody.


    I think this is my favorite thing I've read today. So true.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:22 pm
  • RedAlice wrote:
    RolandDeschain wrote:
    SeAhAwKeR4life wrote:Bradford would be scary.


    The team would be scary. Not Sam Bradford. Bradford will never scare anybody.


    I think this is my favorite thing I've read today. So true.




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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:34 am
  • Seahawks 10 - 6
    San Francisco 10 - 6
    St Louis - 9 - 7
    Arizona - 5 - 11

    We beat the hell out of each other and it will be conference wins that break the tie.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:21 am
  • RolandDeschain wrote:Kaepernick does not handle pressure well a lot of the time, that needs to change before any 49ers fans start thinking he's great. Poor decision-making under pressure will keep him from ever being great if it's not fixed. Also, Kaepernick's a fast runner, but he's not quick. Chris Clemons also ran him down and forced a fumble just out of bounds, too; so I'm not sure how truly fast he is. But either way, I'll take quickness (Russell Wilson, look at that scrambling) over fast. The NFL isn't a track meet.


    Honestly Roland, comments like this is why I just think you don't know what you are talking about.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:11 am
  • NorCal wrote:Honestly Roland, comments like this is why I just think you don't know what you are talking about.


    Think that all you want. Why don't you go chart Kaepernick's throws outside the pocket? His QBR rating from ESPN gets bumped significantly from running, (one of the reasons I don't like QBR; it rewards some things way too much) and so does Wilson's; but look at throwing outside the pocket.

    Here, I'll give you a start: http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/ ... cket-stats

    Kaepernick's QBR outside the pocket: 15.6.
    Wilson's QBR outside the pocket: 62.5.

    Lol. As that article also mentions:
    ESPN wrote:Wilson has 31 passing first downs from outside the pocket, nearly as many as the other NFC West quarterbacks combined (37).


    Please explain to me how I'm wrong. Be specific, and detailed. I honestly want to see your response.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:19 am
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    RolandDeschain wrote:Kaepernick does not handle pressure well a lot of the time, that needs to change before any 49ers fans start thinking he's great. Poor decision-making under pressure will keep him from ever being great if it's not fixed. Also, Kaepernick's a fast runner, but he's not quick. Chris Clemons also ran him down and forced a fumble just out of bounds, too; so I'm not sure how truly fast he is. But either way, I'll take quickness (Russell Wilson, look at that scrambling) over fast. The NFL isn't a track meet.


    Honestly Roland, comments like this is why I just think you don't know what you are talking about.


    And what part of Roland's statement is incorrect? Kaepernick does make poor decisions when he's under pressure. The last 49ers' offensive series of the SB proved that. He doesn't progress through is reads as he should; he's either doing a 1-2 read then run, or straight run. You and I know he's only gaining this notoriety because of that defense. Plain and simple is he's a game-manager, and not the game-changer you Niner fans make him out to be.

    It's easy to play with a lead, unless you're Matt Ryan; especially when your defense is the one that gives you that lead. His clock management is mediocre at best in addition to not being able to handle crowd noise; a delay of game and 2 wasted timeouts vs. us this year is a perfect example. Without the defense bailing you guys out twice, you lose that game.

    Seahawk guys, how many delay of games did the 49ers have at the CLink this year in that 40-burger ass-whipping ya'll served up? I watched the game but my memory's fuzzy.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:20 am
  • IronSaint wrote:Seahawk guys, how many delay of games did the 49ers have at the CLink this year in that 40-burger ass-whipping ya'll served up? I watched the game but my memory's fuzzy.


    More than a 49ers fan can count. Also, thanks for the backup, broski. ESPN and facts in the real world are also giving me cover fire against him. :devil:
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:23 pm
  • "It's easy to play with a lead, unless you're Matt Ryan; especially when your defense is the one that gives you that lead. His clock management is mediocre at best in addition to not being able to handle crowd noise; a delay of game and 2 wasted timeouts vs. us this year is a perfect example. Without the defense bailing you guys out twice, you lose that game".

    i agree with Rolands post, but i have to disagree with this part of your post Ironsaint...

    Kap is not a game manager, he is indeed a game changer, he is a dangerous QB. ask the Packers... ask tyour very own saints players, ask the patriots players... and most importantly ask the Falcons when SF was down by 20+... i think he does just fine without a lead (See SB), and even in a hole.. i do agree with you on the clock management part, however i think the coaching staff is just as much to blame in that aspect. i don't think crowd noise effects him much at all, yes he struggled here, but did not in NO or ATL both domes and both loud as he**...
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:07 pm
  • Yes Kaepernick needs to work on his clock management and progressions. HOWEVER, he played better than most other QB's in the league even after coming off the bench to replace Alex.

    It is kind of pointless to argue this since he didn't prep as the starter last camp and wasnt even practicing with the #1's until after Alex got hurt. The media is on his jock partly because if he was able to play as well as he did with such little preparation compared to the other starters in the league, his dominance should only sky rocket next season after getting a full pre-season and camp as the starter.

    Comparing numbers between Kaep and RW is pointless as well because RW started every game last season and as you all saw got better after the whole team got comfortable with him and the chemistry set in.

    I think both our QB's are in for a good season next year, and we are both lucky to have them.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:38 pm
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:39 pm
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    Kap is not a game manager, he is indeed a game changer, he is a dangerous QB. ask the Packers... ask tyour very own saints players, ask the patriots players... and most importantly ask the Falcons when SF was down by 20+... i think he does just fine without a lead (See SB), and even in a hole.. i do agree with you on the clock management part, however i think the coaching staff is just as much to blame in that aspect. i don't think crowd noise effects him much at all, yes he struggled here, but did not in NO or ATL both domes and both loud as he**...


    Atlanta never built more then a 17 point lead against the 49ers. They almost lost a 20 point lead to the Seahawks (which would have been the largest lead ever lost in Playoff history) just to turn around the next week and blow a 17 point lead (which WAS the largest lead ever lost in Championship history). That they were on the cusp of making that kind of history with homefield and the no1 seed for two straight weeks is historically awful in itself.

    Obviously it was Atlanta's ineptitude in both cases. The only difference is they are extremely good at late field goal drills. That Matty got injured, and San Francisco went up by 4 points, while the Seahawks only went up by 1, is the difference.

    Kaepernick couldn't drag the 9ers over the hump in the Superbowl targeting Crabtree 3 times in a row with open receivers elsewhere while it was obvious the Ravens knew he'd go to Crabtree and were heavily double covering and blowing him up whenever he was thrown to. Kaepernick never led his team to victory from more then a 7 point deficit except at Atlanta, a team that proved with others it was quite good at blowing 3 score leads. Easy to be dangerous when your defense keeps the deficit low.

    as for the clock management part the Hawks are equally lacking. Seeing how Detroit deliberately and skillfully managed their game winning TD drive on us so we would have no chance save a miracle to win, makes me wish we would have purposely limited our big plays on our last drive at Atlanta, forced them to take timeouts, took penalties to shave time off the clock, anything to prevent giving Atl time for a late field goal. Better the game ends with the ball in Wilson's hands for him to win or lose, then giving Atlanta that last chance.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:18 pm
  • ya i got the 1st half scores of those two games mixed up, they were so similar the way they played out..

    anyway i still stand by my post that Kap is not just a game manager.. and SF defense was not that good in the playoffs or superbowl... just so happened they played opponents who's defense was worse.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:45 pm
  • Kaepernick's not just a game manager, but what he is above & beyond that, nobody knows yet. Need this next full season at a minimum before that can be determined.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:51 pm
  • All we kept hearing last year was how good Alex Smith was. Boy, no one is beating that dead horse anymore are they? No, the new thing is Kap. Well, he's an improvement. But let's face it, last year, the Hawks came into San Fran and it was their 5th game in 25 days. Even so, if the WR's don't have an abnormal day and drop so many passes, the Hawks win that game. Then the Niners come to Seattle and get DOMINATED.

    We all know who has the better team here.

    That said, based upon San Fran getting the better schedule and us getting shafted despite being the 2nd place team in the division, I have to say the season will look like this:

    San Fran 12-4 They just have such an easy road schedule.
    Seattle 10-6
    St. Louis 10-6
    Arizona 4-12

    it may take a coin toss to separate the Rams from the Hawks this season.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:23 pm
  • They way I see it
    Hawks 11-5
    San Fran 10-6
    Rams 9-7
    Cards 8-8

    But all teams are plus or minus 1 game so its hard to say. I say the two toughest teams are the hawks and Niners BUT the Rams are right there also. Hard to say really. I would not be shocked at all to see it like this.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:20 pm
  • Has there ever been an NFL division that finished a season with no team in it having a losing record, before? I have to think that it has never happened, or that it has happened once or twice at most.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:27 pm
  • I dont know but I think that it will happen this year and possibly 3 teams from the same division in the playoffs.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:45 am
  • RolandDeschain wrote:Has there ever been an NFL division that finished a season with no team in it having a losing record, before? I have to think that it has never happened, or that it has happened once or twice at most.


    Yes, the very first year of the realignment, , and save for the 7-9 Carolina Panthers the NFC South almost did.in 2002, both the AFC East and West managed it, and save for the 7-9 Carolina Panthers the NFC South almost did. I believe that's not the first time but will have to research it to be sure.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:50 am
  • It also happened in 1989, with the AFC Central. I'm sure another time or two as well but I'm too lazy to go through evvery season just now.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:25 pm
  • Impressive. I'm guessing that no division has ever had a finish with every team having a winning record, though.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:37 am
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    RolandDeschain wrote:Kaepernick does not handle pressure well a lot of the time, that needs to change before any 49ers fans start thinking he's great. Poor decision-making under pressure will keep him from ever being great if it's not fixed. Also, Kaepernick's a fast runner, but he's not quick. Chris Clemons also ran him down and forced a fumble just out of bounds, too; so I'm not sure how truly fast he is. But either way, I'll take quickness (Russell Wilson, look at that scrambling) over fast. The NFL isn't a track meet.


    Honestly Roland, comments like this is why I just think you don't know what you are talking about.


    And what part of Roland's statement is incorrect? Kaepernick does make poor decisions when he's under pressure. The last 49ers' offensive series of the SB proved that. He doesn't progress through is reads as he should; he's either doing a 1-2 read then run, or straight run. You and I know he's only gaining this notoriety because of that defense. Plain and simple is he's a game-manager, and not the game-changer you Niner fans make him out to be.

    It's easy to play with a lead, unless you're Matt Ryan; especially when your defense is the one that gives you that lead. His clock management is mediocre at best in addition to not being able to handle crowd noise; a delay of game and 2 wasted timeouts vs. us this year is a perfect example. Without the defense bailing you guys out twice, you lose that game.

    Seahawk guys, how many delay of games did the 49ers have at the CLink this year in that 40-burger ass-whipping ya'll served up? I watched the game but my memory's fuzzy.


    I agree with a large part of this post, but I also believe that CK is a game "changer". It isn't that he is unbeatable, but what I see is that only a few teams are really "built" to beat the Niners as a whole. The recipe is simple.

    Physical Defense
    Balanced Offense

    A team does not have to be the best at either of those things, they just have to be good at it. I said this prior to the Super Bowl when I picked the Ravens to win and it really goes without saying that teams like that are going to win most of their games. There just isn't a lot of them. Many teams do one thing, REALLY well and it is enough to get them over the hump in games and dominate in others. Look at the teams that beat the CK led Niners.

    Rams - Good running game, fair passing game, TOUGH defense.
    Seattle - GREAT running game, Good passing game that is improving, GREAT defense.
    Ravens - GREAT running game, Good passing game, good defense.

    If you look at the teams the CK Niners beat, you will find some weakness in either one and in some cases two aspects of their game. That doesn't mean they are bad, I am just saying that the Niners tend to succeed against those teams and struggle against teams that have SOMETHING going in every part of the game. Those one-dimensional teams are usually good enough to win most of their games, but the CK Niners are different in that they expose those teams at some point in a game.

    When I see Seattle, I see a team that has a better chance of winning those games against the balanced teams. Against the Rams, they figured out a way. They didn't take a lot of risks and eventually finished the drives. Against the Niners, they couldn't quite get it done in SF, but that was for a variety of reasons and they lost by a touchdown, which ultimately was the worst beating they took all year. In Seattle, they showed what they have grown into, they moved the ball one way or another on SF and it KILLED them, while punishing them on defense. They did lose to STL on the road, but that game was tight like the rest and really we had it at the end. Can't believe how many games the Hawks lost on the road in final seconds.

    This is why regardless of schedule, I think the Seahawks will at a minimum keep pace with SF. The Seahawks won their road games in the second half of the season, that is because the team was playing better all around football. They will win more road games in 2013, book it.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:46 am
  • And I'm not saying the Rams won't be better, they will be, I'm just saying again that there is still room for improvement with both the Hawks and the Niners. The Rams will need to keep that pace.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:07 am
  • loafoftatupu wrote:And I'm not saying the Rams won't be better, they will be, I'm just saying again that there is still room for improvement with both the Hawks and the Niners. The Rams will need to keep that pace.


    With how many draft picks the Niners and Seahawks have, I fully expect some improvements on both sides there. That's saying a lot with how stacked these two teams currently are. What are the Niners at, 14 prior to the Alex Smith trade? That's insane!

    Though I fully expect both to trade out for future picks.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:55 pm
  • The biggest factors for a QB is cerebral ability and work ethic. We know that Wilson not only possess's these traits but excels at both. Keap has some amazing physical skills that are very helpful but unless he is cerebral and has an outstanding work ethic you can expect defenses to catch up to him. There are obvious disadvantages of stepping in mid season like Keap did but there are also advantages in that teams don't have tape on you as was witnessed in the GB playoff game were GB obviously had no clue how to defend against the pistol or read option.

    We will find out soon if Keap possess's these traits. My gut feeling is he is relying heavily on his physical talent and will take a sizable step backwards next season when defense adjust.

    As for the division. I think Seattle wins it rather handily. Likely a 12 win season and I predict a sweep of the Niners. Niners fans can be excited all they want but the two most important players on that team are heading rapidly into the dreaded age barrier that cannot be avoided. Gore turns 30 years old in May and Justin Smith turns 34 in September. There should be no question how important those two players are to that team and right now they have no real replacements for either.

    Looking at the last few drafts it is pretty easy to question if the Niners can find suitable replacements. Last years draft alone netted zero starters. Even their first round pick didn't have a single catch last year and that was competing against an ancient vet in Moss and a kickoff returner in Ginn. The previous year netted Aldon Smith who completely disappeared without Just Smith (again, turning 34 soon) and Keap who really has a huge question mark on him. They also drafted Culliver in the 3rd round who got filleted repeatedly in the super bowl and made public appearances bashing the gay populous of the the largest gay market on the planet. Keep in mind that draft followed a year of 6 wins and they were picking very high. Last year they were picking at the end of the draft and this year will be even worse.

    I don't know if the Rams will surpass them next year but I would bet money it will be sooner than any Niner fan thinks.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:45 pm
  • Haha, c'mon guys! I'm providing back-up here and ya'll sticking up for the Ninnies! Friendly fire guys, same team! :lol:

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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:31 pm
  • IronSaint wrote:And what part of Roland's statement is incorrect? Kaepernick does make poor decisions when he's under pressure. The last 49ers' offensive series of the SB proved that. He doesn't progress through is reads as he should; he's either doing a 1-2 read then run, or straight run.


    I meant to reply to this part of the post too, because it is exactly what I see in Kaepersnout. The point about his reads is dead-on. That is his game right there. I think taking the edge from him is huge. Add in the clock management and the fact that he does get rattled and what we have is an extremely physically gifted QB that uses those abilities to make up for the other issues. CK is good at it and that is why I call him a game changer.

    Wilson does not carry that baggage. I'm not saying he was perfect, but there just wasn't many WTH moments with RW. He has those same abilities that Kaepertool does, without the raw break away speed that CK gets on the edge, but he takes big chunks of yardage on the ground and typically slides for self-preservation. Oh yeah, he spreads the ball around like mad, looks for his 3rd-4th options and can throw a timing/touch/fade pass line nobody's business. All the concerns about him being too short were put to rest. There are still some hanging on to his size as an issue, but that is usually from a Niner fan.

    Wilson will be the reason that the Hawks win the NFCW. Right now I think they join GB, The Skins and NO as division winners in the NFC for 2013.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:17 am
  • SeAhAwKeR4life wrote:Naw you guys won't be back. I doubt you make the NFC championship. And Kaep, I know y'all think he's great, but that's gonna be short lived, just you wait and see. :mrgreen:



    lol at the wishful thinking. Nice well thought out breakdown.

    Hawks are going to be in the mix for not just the NFC west but the NFC title, as of right now the Niners are the better team and have an even better chance of doing the same. Truth is until the season starts we wont really know which teams are "on" their game this year. Its clear you have a serious confidence issue if you need to rely on things like "niners wont make it" "superbowl hangover" kaeperkick will decline" as the basis of your arguments. The good news is a lack of self confidence masquerading as confidence (Kapernick/Harbaugh, yada yada nonsense) isnt going to change the actual outcomes one iota. Lets see what happens.... cant wait for the draft and the season.

    My prediction, niners will win the NFC west and the Hawks will make the playoffs.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:52 am
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:22 am
  • Goldrush wrote:
    SeAhAwKeR4life wrote:Naw you guys won't be back. I doubt you make the NFC championship. And Kaep, I know y'all think he's great, but that's gonna be short lived, just you wait and see. :mrgreen:



    lol at the wishful thinking. Nice well thought out breakdown.

    Hawks are going to be in the mix for not just the NFC west but the NFC title, as of right now the Niners are the better team and have an even better chance of doing the same. Truth is until the season starts we wont really know which teams are "on" their game this year. Its clear you have a serious confidence issue if you need to rely on things like "niners wont make it" "superbowl hangover" kaeperkick will decline" as the basis of your arguments. The good news is a lack of self confidence masquerading as confidence (Kapernick/Harbaugh, yada yada nonsense) isnt going to change the actual outcomes one iota. Lets see what happens.... cant wait for the draft and the season.

    My prediction, niners will win the NFC west and the Hawks will make the playoffs.


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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:29 pm
  • hawker84 wrote:
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    SeAhAwKeR4life wrote:Naw you guys won't be back. I doubt you make the NFC championship. And Kaep, I know y'all think he's great, but that's gonna be short lived, just you wait and see. :mrgreen:



    lol at the wishful thinking. Nice well thought out breakdown.

    Hawks are going to be in the mix for not just the NFC west but the NFC title, as of right now the Niners are the better team and have an even better chance of doing the same. Truth is until the season starts we wont really know which teams are "on" their game this year. Its clear you have a serious confidence issue if you need to rely on things like "niners wont make it" "superbowl hangover" kaeperkick will decline" as the basis of your arguments. The good news is a lack of self confidence masquerading as confidence (Kapernick/Harbaugh, yada yada nonsense) isnt going to change the actual outcomes one iota. Lets see what happens.... cant wait for the draft and the season.

    My prediction, niners will win the NFC west and the Hawks will make the playoffs.


    how are you the better team again?


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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:28 pm
  • hawker84 wrote:
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    SeAhAwKeR4life wrote:Naw you guys won't be back. I doubt you make the NFC championship. And Kaep, I know y'all think he's great, but that's gonna be short lived, just you wait and see. :mrgreen:



    lol at the wishful thinking. Nice well thought out breakdown.

    Hawks are going to be in the mix for not just the NFC west but the NFC title, as of right now the Niners are the better team and have an even better chance of doing the same. Truth is until the season starts we wont really know which teams are "on" their game this year. Its clear you have a serious confidence issue if you need to rely on things like "niners wont make it" "superbowl hangover" kaeperkick will decline" as the basis of your arguments. The good news is a lack of self confidence masquerading as confidence (Kapernick/Harbaugh, yada yada nonsense) isnt going to change the actual outcomes one iota. Lets see what happens.... cant wait for the draft and the season.

    My prediction, niners will win the NFC west and the Hawks will make the playoffs.


    how are you the better team again?


    How are we not? We had the better season, played consistently better than u did, have better players overall position by position and have a batter cap+draft situation to improve our team. To answer u, pretty much by every measurable. Doesn't mean we are a LOT better or that we will be better, just that we are as of now.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:54 pm
  • Goldrush wrote:have better players overall position by position and have a batter cap+draft situation to improve our team. To answer u, pretty much by every measurable. Doesn't mean we are a LOT better or that we will be better, just that we are as of now.


    Now you're just being a...I'm not going to say it, but your POST is stupid as hell. Do you really believe you have better players at each position on the field? Jesus Christ, I can't wait until you watch 2013 unfold.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:22 am
  • Here's one article to help answer your question:

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1548 ... in-the-nfl

    well that's a very cute argument, doesn't mean crap though.. how bout we gage our teams on our two head to head match ups.. i would say it's pretty obvious Seattle was the better team last season.
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Re: NFC West predictions for 2013
Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:25 am
  • How are we not? We had the better season, played consistently better than u did, have better players overall position by position and have a batter cap+draft situation to improve our team. To answer u, pretty much by every measurable. Doesn't mean we are a LOT better or that we will be better, just that we are as of now.

    you played consistantly? win win loss, that's pretty consistant alright...

    better players, i'll take our db's over yours any day... other than Linebackers and O line, i'd say we're pretty even accross the board..

    you barely beat us at home, and got curb stomped at our place.. you couldn't beat the rams, we split... again how were you better last season?
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