Harvin and the cocussion protocol

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So can anyone shine some light on this . Who decides if he will play the doctors or what.
 

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I want to know this also. And can he still practice..?
 

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The doctors give him the green light to be able to play, and ultimately its Carroll who makes the decision if he will play.

How he passed the concussion tests after that first hit I'll never know.
 

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There are tests administered by both team doctors and an independent league doctor. Both have to clear him for him to play.
 

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NFL's 2013 Protocols for Concussions: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000 ... oncussions

ON THE FIELD

To assist the medical teams on game day, there is now an "eye in the sky" – a certified athletic trainer sitting in a stadium box who watches the game and television replays to scan the field and look for players with a potential head injury who may require assessment by the medical staff.

Players who are suspected of suffering a concussion are assessed by their teams medical staff. The team physician first reviews a six-item checklist outlining findings that necessitate a player's immediate removal from the game. This checklist includes the more obvious symptoms of concussion: loss of consciousness, unresponsiveness, confusion, amnesia and other concerning symptoms. The team doctor then administers the rest of the sideline concussion assessment tool in order to further assess for concussion. This sideline test includes the same tests performed as part of the pre-season baseline concussion assessment, as well as some additional questions. Like the preseason evaluation, the test measures, memory, concentration and balance. as well as measuring how quickly and thoroughly the player recalls words given to them at least five minutes earlier. As in the preseason examination, the team doctor asks players to name the month, date, day of week, year and time. The additional questions include specific sideline orientation questions that ask players to identify the venue, quarter of game, who scored most recently, the team's previous opponent and whether the team won or lost its most recent game. This process takes about 8-12 minutes.

Beginning this year, a neuro-trauma expert physician unaffiliated with an NFL team will be available on the sideline as an extra set of eyes. He can be consulted by the NFL medical team or NFL player.

NFL regulations require a player diagnosed with a possible concussion to leave the field for the locker room. Medical personnel remain with the player for the remainder of the game. Team physicians determine whether the player's condition is stable enough to send him home -- with instructions that include physical and cognitive rest, avoiding certain medications and alcohol, and a plan for follow up care including phone numbers to call if there are any questions or concerns.

DAYS AFTER THE GAME

The initial treatment is rest, and the team doctors and athletic trainers begin monitoring to see when a player appears to have returned to baseline functioning. Do symptoms return when a player watches practice or when he watches film? Is there return of symptoms with physical activity?

Once symptoms have completely subsided, the player again performs more comprehensive neuropsychological tests interpreted by the team neuropsychologist. There are no pass-fail grades, only additional data for physicians to consider.

If the player is progressing, he would be become eligible for increased physical activity. The workouts would ramp up over a few days if no symptoms occur.

A player feeling normal one day after the game might pass cognitive testing Tuesday and begin a light exercise program, intensify their exercise routine Wednesday, participate in non-contact aspects of practice on Thursday and return to full practice Friday. But if a player has a history of concussions or isn't progressing as quickly as planned, the process moves accordingly.

The medical team increases the exercise regimen to full speed as the player proves he can handle the escalation without incident. Some teams stage controlled contact drills featuring, for example, one lineman blocking another the way they would in an unpadded practice.

"The thing that I think is important here is you don't manage concussions by a calendar," Dr. Herring said. "Some guys may come back in a week. Some guys may come back in six weeks. These steps don't have an expiration date on them. The player's history of injury and other issues come into play."

Once a team doctor signs off on a player's return, the player is evaluated in person by an unaffiliated concussion expert physician approved by both the NFL and NFL Players Association. This unaffiliated expert also must sign off on the player's health before he is allowed to return to play.

"The thinking is that we have done our best work, but an automatic second opinion is built in," Herring said. "We've never had a disagreement, but I would welcome it if we did because we could learn from it. This is a trust issue. We need assurances there is no rush to return to play for any reason."

-- NFL Head, Neck and Spine Committee and Bill Bradley, contributing editor
 

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I don't know the answer, but he was with the team in the locker room and appeared in good spirits on TV after the game.
 

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I think he is probably out for next weeks game. I mean it seemed like he had 2 concussions in the game.
 
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So I would say he will play next week unless there's some setback and we have an extra day this week so game time is 8 days away.
 

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Blitzer88":irs0mi3i said:
I think he is probably out for next weeks game. I mean it seemed like he had 2 concussions in the game.

Sometimes it is better to keep your keyboard quite......rather than post and remove all doubt.
 

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Blitzer88":2f9dy1nb said:
I think he is probably out for next weeks game. I mean it seemed like he had 2 concussions in the game.
My gawd man do you always think the worst possible outcome on everything? I like you brother, and I'm sure that's the way you are wired and all but not everything is doom and gloom my friend. :D
 

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Concussions are tricky but we do have an extra day of rest. I choose to be optimist that Harvin will pass his protocols by next week, but I am by no means certain of it.
 

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Pete and Russell both sounded pretty optimistic about him playing next week.
 

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I want him to play but it just seems that he'll have a huge bulls eye on his back next week. Teams are gonna come after him and come after him HARD, you don't think Sean Payton told his guys to knock the wind out of Percy today? I'm sure he's tough, but he's just not in football shape right now.
 

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Polk738":38de9dk5 said:
I want him to play but it just seems that he'll have a huge bulls eye on his back next week. Teams are gonna come after him and come after him HARD, you don't think Sean Payton told his guys to knock the wind out of Percy today? I'm sure he's tough, but he's just not in football shape right now.

See bolded text above. That's exactly what I think the Saints were told. Take Percy out of the game. No Questions Asked.
 

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Blitzer88":2e5m58g3 said:
I think he is probably out for next weeks game. I mean it seemed like he had 2 concussions in the game.
If he had a concussion on the 1st hit,he would not of returned.
 

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I don't think he would have been in the game if he wasn't in football shape. He's been rehabbing, but that doesn't mean he has been sitting on the couch for the last 3 months. I'm keeping my fingers crossed he will be ready come next weekend and cleared to play. He definitely adds another dimension to our offense.
 

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I really hope he is back next week. Was there any post game interview?
 

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Honestly, he looked on that second hit like he hurt his right arm. He didn't move it at all when they pulled him up and it looked like a shoulder or collarbone. But I guess we'll find out later next week.
 

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Sports Hernia":1ervanrj said:
Blitzer88":1ervanrj said:
I think he is probably out for next weeks game. I mean it seemed like he had 2 concussions in the game.
My gawd man do you always think the worst possible outcome on everything? I like you brother, and I'm sure that's the way you are wired and all but not everything is doom and gloom my friend. :D

Hey I made a thread about how I was excited to potentially get KJ back this week. But really, Percy took some hits today and I really do think they could carry on over to next week.
 

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I think he may not have had much if any of a concussion, but they took him out because it was obvious the Saints weren't going to stop hitting him until he left in a body bag.
 

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