Get with the program. RW was an overrated game manager. He was just a scrub who played hero ball. We could have gone undefeated with someone like Geno. RW's clutch play didn't really add anything to the team - anyone could have done it.
Ignore those 4th qtr wins. Geno would have had more. Just because it looks like Geno hasn't elevated his game in high pressure situations doesn't mean he won't do it now.
Am I doing it right?
Setting up a strawman?
Perfectly. Textbook.
When
@keasley45 and
@Maelstrom787 were saying before the 2022 season started that based on what we had seen from Smith as the Seahawks QB in his stint replacing Wilson during Wilson's absence due to his finger injury and in the 2022 preseason, there was a good chance Smith would play reasonably well, I was skeptical, but they made good arguments. Those arguing against them basically set up strawmen like this (stuff like "yeah, Geno's a HoFer," which was not at all what
@keasley45 and
@Maelstrom787 were saying).
Getting back to
@renofox getting upset about me saying Wilson was "just such a QB" in 2012-2014, the fact remains that if you look at 2012-2013, Wilson was a game manager, and in 2012-2021, he was a "system QB," one who had a lot of success within the system built for him. Further, 2022 showed us that once he was removed from the system that made him much more effective than just a game manager in 2014-2021, things went off the rails for him. I'm on record reminding people around here (frequently) that through his 20s, Brady was also a "game manager," and the debate was about Manning's sport-altering performance vs. Brady's game management and titles. It was only when he was over 30 that Brady started having seasons with Manning-level performance. The point here is that when I say Wilson was a game manager and a "system quarterback" in 2012-2013, that shouldn't be controversial. We can debate how much of Wilson's success in 2014-2021 was because of the system and how much was Wilson, but Wilson was asked to do relatively little in 2012-2013, and he did what the team needed within Pete Carroll's system.
This does
not mean Wilson didn't, within Pete Carroll's system, produce a lot more than just game management in his time with the Seahawks. He had one season as one of the top three QBs in the NFL and several as one of the top ten. I understand that there are other positions on this, but I say Wilson was a "system QB" in 2014-2021 because he produced so much in those years and once he was removed from Pete Carroll's system, Wilson was one of the three worst starting QBs in the league, and that was on a team Wilson himself said was strong enough that he wouldn't have to "carry" it, and one that everyone told us had a much-better OL, a spectacularly better defense, and better weapons than the Seahawks had. Other opinions are perfectly valid and I've even seen decent arguments about some of Wilson's contributions in 2014-2021. But for 2012-2013? Wilson was clearly a game manager and a system QB.