17 Points: My Take and Grades for the 2017 Draft

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The extra picks probably didn't matter. Because 6th and 7th round picks very rarely become starters. We actually have better luck with UDFAs than bottom round picks.

I don't really trust the FO to consistently make good picks anymore but I hope you are right.

I did like Thompson. But I feel like we walked into one of the deepest secondary drafts in ages and took a bunch of middle of the road guys at that when we had immediate needs in the secondary.

And I'm really getting tired of us loading up on run stuffers when teams are passing close to 70% of the downs now.

But I suppose we will see how the preseason shakes out before judging makes sense.
 

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I agree on the positive sentiment for Jordan Roos on the OL and the FB Brown from BYU. It would be AWESOME if Brown could seize the FB job although I am not averse to Reece being re-signed.
 

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MontanaHawk05":146ngqmt said:
This draft is the most interesting for me since 2012.

1. If you're a defense and special teams fan, you're probably quite intrigued, if not THAT effusive, about this draft. What gets me the most is that each guy, while flawed and saddled with at least one distinct downside, also has an eye-opening upside/endorsement/accolade about him. Sure, some scout or coach from a remote division is always raving about each sixth-rounder, but the ravings on these guys seem to pop, to come from respectable sources, ones that really grab my attention. That's unlike the last four drafts, which seemed disproportionately full of JAGs. This also feels like a more thoroughly Seahawky draft - lots of toughness, lots of chips on shoulders, again more so than previous drafts. Instead of ho-hum bodies, this year's haul feels full of attitude-driven contributors with an asterisk to overcome.

2. I also sense an eye towards the future with this draft. The Seahawks grabbed enough DB potential to almost completely replace the current Legion of Boom if coaching goes well. This gives them flexibility in contract negotiations for the Legion. It also seems to further the notion that Schneider is keeping his options open regarding trading Richard Sherman, should a team be dumb enough to meet Seattle's stratospheric price tag.

Between that and the defensive tackle talent we picked up, this year's team could mount enough defensive and ST depth to rival the 2013 team. The ST part was a hugely underrated piece of that year's success. This is why I'm excited. Going defense could pay off.

3. If you're an offensive line guy, there's no helping you. This just wasn't the year for the Hawks to scratch that itch. In a typical year, all your favorite linemen from this draft - Robinson, Ramcyzyk, Lamp - would have been drafted in the third round at best, where Rees Odhiambo was. That's 70 picks lower than where Russell Okung was taken. You didn't like Okung. Let all that sink in.

4. The trade-downs were fun. Everyone Seattle wanted was still on the board and still would be after eight more picks, so yeah. It didn't bug me that the 49ers got Foster. What were we supposed to do, replace Bobby Wagner with him? The 49ers were going to get better regardless of what we did. They've finally got a clue in that front office.

5. Malik McDowell, DT: A-. When this pick was announced, I pumped my fist and hollered. That's exactly who I wanted Seattle to take. If you're concerned about the perceived "decline" of Seattle's defense, McDowell is a solution. Interior pass rush has long been our biggest, and yet quietest, problem. Atyha Rubin and Tony McDaniel are good rotational hustle guys with a splash play or two each month, but as starters, they just aren't difference makers. We badly need someone coring out the middle of the pocket and flushing quarterbacks. It hasn't happened in a long time.

McDowell has been called Michael Bennett 2.0. His frame is actually closer to Calais Campbell, and that's his upside. With Clint Hurtt (an enormous pickup) coaching our defensive line, McDowell reaching that potential is not out of the question. Pete and John's comments about his ability to play all along the line suggest to me that they're still yearning for a Red Bryant 2.0. Well, Malik isn't quite that big, but he has the versatility.

I do feel a little awkward justifying the motor concerns. There's a reason he fell to the second round. But between Malik and Clark, and with steps forward from Jarran Reed (already solid) and perhaps Quinton Jefferson, this line could have our secondary feasting on turnovers again. Nobody's looking forward to playing our division next year, that's for sure.

6. Ethan Pocic, T: B. This guy actually fascinates me. The reason being, he's much more polished than almost anyone Tom Cable has drafted. He's got some technique to him. Our previous "versatile" OL guys haven't failed because they're jacks of all trades but masters of none; they've failed because they just don't break into the lineup anywhere. I have a hunch that Pocic just might. Especially if our tackle positions are the howling vortices of negative matter that everyone assumes they are (which they aren't necessarily). That's why I don't assume Britt is on his way out. Pocic might not necessarily be destined for his position.

I trust Rob Staton when he says that rumors of Pocic's epic fail against LSU have been a bit exaggerated. He's got the motor and the play-past-the-whistle tenacity. He didn't give up a sack or hit in 2016. Up-and-coming Youtube scout Coleman Crawford likes him. I'd say, give him a chance.

7. Shaquill Griffin, CB: C+. Badly needed competition for CB2 against Jeremy Lane, though not a lock. Athletic freak, combine darling, great cover corner with the pass-defensed stats to prove it. UCF fans are telling us we've got a gem on our hands, mentally tough but a big team guy. There seems to be a weird...meh...feeling about the guy...like everyone's calling it a solid pick in the most generic way. Whatever. We're all happy.

8. Delano Hill, S: A-. I was meh on him when I started writing this, but as I researched...well, let's just say "tackling" is this guy's calling card. Our safety depth, again, could now rival 2013's between this guy and Bradley McDougald. Hill is a coverage-experienced big nickel guy with a nose for the ball who stood out even amongst Michigan's secondary. The "screen killer" designations I've seen in some places make him sound like the KJ Wright of the secondary. That's Hill's "pop" for me. Lance Zierlein's report on him, OTOH, sounded eerily like Kam, as did the fact that the rest of the experts hated the pick. Screw 'em. Hill's going to be very nice on special teams at the very least - fast and wood-laying, if not hugely athletic. Frank Clark is sure excited to have him.

9. Nazair Jones, DT: C. Tar Heel fans are saying good things about this one. Seattle is gambling against chronic injury here. Conflicting reports on whether he'll provide any pass rush, but does provide depth and signing flexibility. If I had to pick a guy (above the 7th) to get snatched trying to reach the practice squad, it might be this one.

10. Amara Darboh, WR: B+. I'm a sucker for second-tier WRs, so forgive me if I drool a little. But Darboh's size, wingspan, run-blocking, route running and catching skills are bringing him flattering comparisons. One was Mohamed Sanu. We badly needed a 6'0"+ guy to open up the playbook - way too many go routes with all the small guys we have. He's burned Shaquill Griffin once or twice too, LOL.

But what really probably got Pete and John's attention is Darboh's clutch gene. Go read Hawkscanner's description of his game-winning play against Ohio State in the pinned post on him. Darboh became known for those plays. That's a great mentality at high competition that really separates him from Lawler, Norwood, Harper, all that crowd in my mind. Bet he immediately pushes McEvoy for playing time. If he does, I see him validating a few redline throws from Wilson.

11. Tedric Thompson, CB: B+. This guy is actually a threat to nab the CB2 job from both Lane and Griffin. He's a ballhawk standout from a good secondary. Getting named college football's best coverage defender by PFF is an eye-opening thing (yes, I know it's PFF). Again, there's injury history to consider here, and lack of athleticism, which is probably why he lasted into the fourth. Coug_Hawk08, of course, has been crapping on pretty much all our DB picks, and he hates this guy. But Seattle has certainly loaded up on instinct in its DB haul this year. Bye, Steven Terrell.

I'm having a hard time verifying the 4-concussion thing. I think it was 4 games missed because of 1 concussion, from bad tackling that's since been corrected.

12. Mike Tyson, CB: C+. something's got to give with the logjam at DB. This might be it. But he's a comparable slot tackler to Hill and some production not too far behind Thompson, so who knows. Certainly versatile. He's also noted as a capable press corner. That keeps him in the mix at least for a little while. What's really going to be insufferable are months of fake lisps and ear jokes on this board.

13. Justin Senior, T: D-. This is my bet to get cut straight-up. Most interesting aspects are his name and getting announced by Marcus Trufant. A stretch even for a developmental guy. Improved during Senior Bowl, he's got the measurables, and PC/JS want him at tackle, but his technique blows chunks. I don't have the sense that he'll leapfrog Fant, Odhiambo, or even Pocic for any playing time. I imagine Cable tries him out at kicker.

14. David Moore, WR: C-. The "who?" pick of the draft. Should have been a priority UDFA. Physically close to Darboh, owned at a tiny school nobody's heard of. It's not crazy for starters to come out of small schools, and I'm impressed that Seattle's draft eyes did such good diligence, which raises the grade just a bit. But I can't imagine him bringing anything to the rotation that isn't already there. Practice squad. He's not slow, though.

15. Chris Carson, RB: B+. I know we're crammed to the gills at RB, but...pay attention to this guy. There are a couple nuggets in his scouting reports (see his pinned thread), right down to his running gait, that sound chillingly like a former starting Seahawks RB you may have heard of, one who was just traded to Oakland. Maybe it's too much to hope for. But attitude makes a difference in our team's RB competitions. Carson loves contact, breaks tackles, and trucks defenders. He can also catch. Don't be surprised if he leapfrogs a few guys and becomes 2017's massively overrated preseason darling (Rawls held that honor, too).

His downsides were a hand injury and a lack of production and big runs. Still, it seems he could have gone higher than the 7th. Also did a FB drill.

16. UDFAs. Jordan Roos, T (UDFA) - a "most improved" type with some eye-opening workout stats. A long-term starter at Purdue. Camp body, but a fun one. Darreus Rogers, WR (UDFA) - I've seen a couple of people raving about this guy. His big ding is a 4.9 40 time. He has solid, solid hands and terrific blocking. Amazing high-pointer. Pete and John probably looked at him and went "ohh, redline guy". Maybe even "redzone guy". What? Hey, we love our UDFA receivers, right? Algernon Brown, FB (UDFA) - hey, a fullback. I wonder what all the fuss is about, but vin.couver12 likes him, and I want to have vin.couver12's babies, so CHAMPIONSHIP. I need to go to bed.

17. Anyone else get annoyed by Twitter leaking the picks long before the draft coverage did? That needs to change somehow. Threaten lynchings or something.



Thank you for your attention. Flame away.

Great work and thanks! :2thumbs:
 

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Appreciate the "17 Points" review and quick response to draft conclusion. :2thumbs:

I felt inclusion of an acknowledgement of "Clint Hurtt (an enormous pickup) coaching our defensive line" called for a repeat. It seems to me that Hurtt was a most telling off season acquisition. A timely reset in that they are working on pivoting from one of the older (8th by weighted 2016 snaps) NFL defensive lines to a next generation.

One other point, I think it interesting that selecting multiple DBs in a corresponding year of DB strength addressed the Seahawk's #7 oldest DB ranking by weighted 2016 snaps. It all kind of came together. Timely reloading.

Coincidence? ...... not likely ..... more likely the sign of a plan.

Edited to acknowledge source of "snap weighted age" by position group >>> [urltargetblank]http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2017/snap-weighted-age-2016-nfl-rosters[/urltargetblank]
 

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Jville":1js48ty8 said:
Appreciate the "17 Points" review and quick response to draft conclusion. :2thumbs:

I felt inclusion of an acknowledgement of "Clint Hurtt (an enormous pickup) coaching our defensive line" called for a repeat. It seems to me that Hurtt was a most telling off season acquisition. A timely reset in that they are working on pivoting from one of the older (8th by weighted 2016 snaps) NFL defensive lines to a next generation.

One other point, I think it interesting that selecting multiple DBs in a corresponding year of DB strength addressed the Seahawk's #7 oldest DB ranking by weighted 2016 snaps. It all kind of came together. Timely reloading.

Coincidence? ...... not likely ..... more likely the sign of a plan.

Yep.
 
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Coug_Hawk08":qsbikj6w said:
Thanks for the write up and mention!

In fairness, I like Delano as mentioned in his thread, just thought it was way too early. Also praised Shaq and honestly hope he beats out lane.

I do think the others DBs are wash outs/will have little to no impact. For being a DB strong draft, I didn't really like who we chose to go with with. Thought there were better players at the position to be had at each pick or within an small trade up. We really hunkered down and waited for things to come to us after we traded down.

It's ok to disagree on picks, folks. Most people are absolutely wrong about the draft, including GMs.

I'm grateful that you took the ribbing good-naturedly, that is how I intended it. Out of curiosity, who were your hopeful picks for DB? Other than Kevin King, who was on Seattle's board (according to Jason La Canfora) but went #33 to Green Bay.
 
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MTHawk1":1z8ck4on said:
I am surprised there was not a olb they liked enough to add to the mix.

That's a great point. Sounds like a pretty big endorsement of Dion Jordan on the part of Pete and John. Or possibly phasing out SLB in the direction of an even more pure 4-2-5.
 
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flmmkrz":2p97mxo6 said:
Phew, glad i didn't post my 14 points thread, it would have paled in comparison to your 17. I would've been left with size inadequacy issues :p

I agree with a lot of what you said, I'm a little higher on Jones than you are. He's a stout body against the run and I believe that's why we got him. On run downs with him and Reed clogging up the middle, there is little room to move out there and what eeks out Bobby and KJ are going to feast on. I think we're going to see a nice tandom there in the run game. He does have a little push up front as well. He's not going to be the dynamic presence that Malik could be but he'll be able to push a pocket back and make life a little tougher on qbs. All in all I think we nailed this dline draft.

Dude, post your thoughts! I want to see what you think. Three of my points were dumb anyway.

Jones is interesting - my downer on him is less an assessment of his talent and more of a question of whether Seattle really wants to go THAT young on the DL by leaving Reed and Jones at nose tackle while jettisoning Tony McDaniel and Atyha Rubin. Between wanting to keep some veteran presence around and the coaching staff's preference for versatility (which Jones doesn't exhibit yet, seemingly), it's why I think he might find himself on the outside looking in. Perhaps with an "injury".
 

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MontanaHawk05":2vn0fcf5 said:
This draft is the most interesting for me since 2012.

1. If you're a defense and special teams fan, you're probably quite intrigued, if not THAT effusive, about this draft. What gets me the most is that each guy, while flawed and saddled with at least one distinct downside, also has an eye-opening upside/endorsement/accolade about him. Sure, some scout or coach from a remote division is always raving about each sixth-rounder, but the ravings on these guys seem to pop, to come from respectable sources, ones that really grab my attention. That's unlike the last four drafts, which seemed disproportionately full of JAGs. This also feels like a more thoroughly Seahawky draft - lots of toughness, lots of chips on shoulders, again more so than previous drafts. Instead of ho-hum bodies, this year's haul feels full of attitude-driven contributors with an asterisk to overcome.

2. I also sense an eye towards the future with this draft. The Seahawks grabbed enough DB potential to almost completely replace the current Legion of Boom if coaching goes well. This gives them flexibility in contract negotiations for the Legion. It also seems to further the notion that Schneider is keeping his options open regarding trading Richard Sherman, should a team be dumb enough to meet Seattle's stratospheric price tag.

Between that and the defensive tackle talent we picked up, this year's team could mount enough defensive and ST depth to rival the 2013 team. The ST part was a hugely underrated piece of that year's success. This is why I'm excited. Going defense could pay off.

3. If you're an offensive line guy, there's no helping you. This just wasn't the year for the Hawks to scratch that itch. In a typical year, all your favorite linemen from this draft - Robinson, Ramcyzyk, Lamp - would have been drafted in the third round at best, where Rees Odhiambo was. That's 70 picks lower than where Russell Okung was taken. You didn't like Okung. Let all that sink in.

4. The trade-downs were fun. Everyone Seattle wanted was still on the board and still would be after eight more picks, so yeah. It didn't bug me that the 49ers got Foster. What were we supposed to do, replace Bobby Wagner with him? The 49ers were going to get better regardless of what we did. They've finally got a clue in that front office.

5. Malik McDowell, DT: A-. When this pick was announced, I pumped my fist and hollered. That's exactly who I wanted Seattle to take. If you're concerned about the perceived "decline" of Seattle's defense, McDowell is a solution. Interior pass rush has long been our biggest, and yet quietest, problem. Atyha Rubin and Tony McDaniel are good rotational hustle guys with a splash play or two each month, but as starters, they just aren't difference makers. We badly need someone coring out the middle of the pocket and flushing quarterbacks. It hasn't happened in a long time.

McDowell has been called Michael Bennett 2.0. His frame is actually closer to Calais Campbell, and that's his upside. With Clint Hurtt (an enormous pickup) coaching our defensive line, McDowell reaching that potential is not out of the question. Pete and John's comments about his ability to play all along the line suggest to me that they're still yearning for a Red Bryant 2.0. Well, Malik isn't quite that big, but he has the versatility.

I do feel a little awkward justifying the motor concerns. There's a reason he fell to the second round. But between Malik and Clark, and with steps forward from Jarran Reed (already solid) and perhaps Quinton Jefferson, this line could have our secondary feasting on turnovers again. Nobody's looking forward to playing our division next year, that's for sure.

6. Ethan Pocic, T: B. This guy actually fascinates me. The reason being, he's much more polished than almost anyone Tom Cable has drafted. He's got some technique to him. Our previous "versatile" OL guys haven't failed because they're jacks of all trades but masters of none; they've failed because they just don't break into the lineup anywhere. I have a hunch that Pocic just might. Especially if our tackle positions are the howling vortices of negative matter that everyone assumes they are (which they aren't necessarily). That's why I don't assume Britt is on his way out. Pocic might not necessarily be destined for his position.

I trust Rob Staton when he says that rumors of Pocic's epic fail against LSU have been a bit exaggerated. He's got the motor and the play-past-the-whistle tenacity. He didn't give up a sack or hit in 2016. Up-and-coming Youtube scout Coleman Crawford likes him. I'd say, give him a chance.

7. Shaquill Griffin, CB: C+. Badly needed competition for CB2 against Jeremy Lane, though not a lock. Athletic freak, combine darling, great cover corner with the pass-defensed stats to prove it. UCF fans are telling us we've got a gem on our hands, mentally tough but a big team guy. There seems to be a weird...meh...feeling about the guy...like everyone's calling it a solid pick in the most generic way. Whatever. We're all happy.

8. Delano Hill, S: A-. I was meh on him when I started writing this, but as I researched...well, let's just say "tackling" is this guy's calling card. Our safety depth, again, could now rival 2013's between this guy and Bradley McDougald. Hill is a coverage-experienced big nickel guy with a nose for the ball who stood out even amongst Michigan's secondary. The "screen killer" designations I've seen in some places make him sound like the KJ Wright of the secondary. That's Hill's "pop" for me. Lance Zierlein's report on him, OTOH, sounded eerily like Kam, as did the fact that the rest of the experts hated the pick. Screw 'em. Hill's going to be very nice on special teams at the very least - fast and wood-laying, if not hugely athletic. Frank Clark is sure excited to have him.

9. Nazair Jones, DT: C. Tar Heel fans are saying good things about this one. Seattle is gambling against chronic injury here. Conflicting reports on whether he'll provide any pass rush, but does provide depth and signing flexibility. If I had to pick a guy (above the 7th) to get snatched trying to reach the practice squad, it might be this one.

10. Amara Darboh, WR: B+. I'm a sucker for second-tier WRs, so forgive me if I drool a little. But Darboh's size, wingspan, run-blocking, route running and catching skills are bringing him flattering comparisons. One was Mohamed Sanu. We badly needed a 6'0"+ guy to open up the playbook - way too many go routes with all the small guys we have. He's burned Shaquill Griffin once or twice too, LOL.

But what really probably got Pete and John's attention is Darboh's clutch gene. Go read Hawkscanner's description of his game-winning play against Ohio State in the pinned post on him. Darboh became known for those plays. That's a great mentality at high competition that really separates him from Lawler, Norwood, Harper, all that crowd in my mind. Bet he immediately pushes McEvoy for playing time. If he does, I see him validating a few redline throws from Wilson.

11. Tedric Thompson, CB: B+. This guy is actually a threat to nab the CB2 job from both Lane and Griffin. He's a ballhawk standout from a good secondary. Getting named college football's best coverage defender by PFF is an eye-opening thing (yes, I know it's PFF). Again, there's injury history to consider here, and lack of athleticism, which is probably why he lasted into the fourth. Coug_Hawk08, of course, has been crapping on pretty much all our DB picks, and he hates this guy. But Seattle has certainly loaded up on instinct in its DB haul this year. Bye, Steven Terrell.

I'm having a hard time verifying the 4-concussion thing. I think it was 4 games missed because of 1 concussion, from bad tackling that's since been corrected.

12. Mike Tyson, CB: C+. something's got to give with the logjam at DB. This might be it. But he's a comparable slot tackler to Hill and some production not too far behind Thompson, so who knows. Certainly versatile. He's also noted as a capable press corner. That keeps him in the mix at least for a little while. What's really going to be insufferable are months of fake lisps and ear jokes on this board.

13. Justin Senior, T: D-. This is my bet to get cut straight-up. Most interesting aspects are his name and getting announced by Marcus Trufant. A stretch even for a developmental guy. Improved during Senior Bowl, he's got the measurables, and PC/JS want him at tackle, but his technique blows chunks. I don't have the sense that he'll leapfrog Fant, Odhiambo, or even Pocic for any playing time. I imagine Cable tries him out at kicker.

14. David Moore, WR: C-. The "who?" pick of the draft. Should have been a priority UDFA. Physically close to Darboh, owned at a tiny school nobody's heard of. It's not crazy for starters to come out of small schools, and I'm impressed that Seattle's draft eyes did such good diligence, which raises the grade just a bit. But I can't imagine him bringing anything to the rotation that isn't already there. Practice squad. He's not slow, though.

15. Chris Carson, RB: B+. I know we're crammed to the gills at RB, but...pay attention to this guy. There are a couple nuggets in his scouting reports (see his pinned thread), right down to his running gait, that sound chillingly like a former starting Seahawks RB you may have heard of, one who was just traded to Oakland. Maybe it's too much to hope for. But attitude makes a difference in our team's RB competitions. Carson loves contact, breaks tackles, and trucks defenders. He can also catch. Don't be surprised if he leapfrogs a few guys and becomes 2017's massively overrated preseason darling (Rawls held that honor, too).

His downsides were a hand injury and a lack of production and big runs. Still, it seems he could have gone higher than the 7th. Also did a FB drill.

16. UDFAs. Jordan Roos, T (UDFA) - a "most improved" type with some eye-opening workout stats. A long-term starter at Purdue. Camp body, but a fun one. Darreus Rogers, WR (UDFA) - I've seen a couple of people raving about this guy. His big ding is a 4.9 40 time. He has solid, solid hands and terrific blocking. Amazing high-pointer. Pete and John probably looked at him and went "ohh, redline guy". Maybe even "redzone guy". What? Hey, we love our UDFA receivers, right? Algernon Brown, FB (UDFA) - hey, a fullback. I wonder what all the fuss is about, but vin.couver12 likes him, and I want to have vin.couver12's babies, so CHAMPIONSHIP. I need to go to bed.

17. Anyone else get annoyed by Twitter leaking the picks long before the draft coverage did? That needs to change somehow. Threaten lynchings or something.



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What an excellent post. It was super informative and reeks of old .net :)

My slight disagreement is that many of us did like Okung. Injury prone? Absolutely. Pretty good left tackle when healthy? Absolutely and miles ahead of what we had last year.
 

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Mick063":jzabler3 said:
One person's take based upon a compilation of internet searches.

I'll watch some preseason games and then get my own first impressions at that time.
Crap, what a rude response.
 

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Seahwkgal":3sr6fu03 said:
Mick063":3sr6fu03 said:
One person's take based upon a compilation of internet searches.

I'll watch some preseason games and then get my own first impressions at that time.
Crap, what a rude response.

Possibly, but handing out draft grades before we see how they plan to use guys, or what they can do at the next level, is pretty pointless. I like the writeups, but will ignore any grades myself.
 

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Thank you Montana for the very nice, in-depth analysis. That took some work!

It's difficult to objectively grade our draft, based on needs vs. BPA vs. PCJS's expertise. We'll just wait and see of course.

It does appear they went for the volume approach to the DB needs with the hope that 1 or 2 could become contributors sooner or later, knowing a couple may not pan out. Is this approach better than trading 3rd round picks we accumulated to nab a "marquee" name in the 2nd? Was it wise to pass on Baker or King? Quite likely, they may not have graded Baker or King or Jones or Aruzie that much different than Griffin, Hall and Thompson to warrant a trade up. Perhaps Baker will become the next Earl but also a distinct possibility is we may have selected 3 future solid DB starters. Time will tell.

Do not overlook Moore-219 lb receiver, running 4.43 has as good a chance as anyone from making the team and contributing. He appears to have all the tools and I don't care where he played.

Roos looks like an absolute beast. A physical specimen with an attitude could certainly carve a spot for himself. Carson too looks intriguing. His running style is just what we're looking for. There's going to be a lot of tough decisions this year in camp. Can't wait for it to start!
 

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West TX Hawk":ylwng9k2 said:
Thank you Montana for the very nice, in-depth analysis. That took some work!

It's difficult to objectively grade our draft, based on needs vs. BPA vs. PCJS's expertise. We'll just wait and see of course.

It does appear they went for the volume approach to the DB needs with the hope that 1 or 2 could become contributors sooner or later, knowing a couple may not pan out. Is this approach better than trading 3rd round picks we accumulated to nab a "marquee" name in the 2nd? Was it wise to pass on Baker or King? Quite likely, they may not have graded Baker or King or Jones or Aruzie that much different than Griffin, Hall and Thompson to warrant a trade up. Perhaps Baker will become the next Earl but also a distinct possibility is we may have selected 3 future solid DB starters. Time will tell.

Do not overlook Moore-219 lb receiver, running 4.43 has as good a chance as anyone from making the team and contributing. He appears to have all the tools and I don't care where he played.

Roos looks like an absolute beast. A physical specimen with an attitude could certainly carve a spot for himself. Carson too looks intriguing. His running style is just what we're looking for. There's going to be a lot of tough decisions this year in camp. Can't wait for it to start!

Yeah guys that come from relatively unknown places don't have a chance such as Mississippi Valley State. :)
 

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Thanks MH, appreciate you putting the time in to put this together. :2thumbs:

Thing I like about the DB's drafted is they all seem to have some "Attack Dog" in them. I'm hoping a couple of them stick and rejuvenate that edge into the secondary that IMO has been slowly fading over the past couple of years.
 

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One of the better things I've read on here, Montana. Very good work :2thumbs:

The point I would like to make is that I'm curious about how our veterans handle this huge class of rookies? Do they take them under their wings and serve as mentors, or do they offer little advice for fear of losing their jobs? Take a guy like Kam. He's looking at cashing in on another contract, so how does he approach those hungry big hitters like Delano Hill or even Mike Tyson, who's from his same home area in Virginia? That's a lot of rookies looking for work on a pretty talented roster.
 

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Thanks for the write up. Always nice to read a detailed analysis. A lot in there but still quick and to the point. Gave me a different perspective, other than meh, on Pocic. Really hope he pans out at RT as my opinion is that Ifedi will have more production and success at RG. This along with even average play at LT, I think, could really solidify this offense. We now have real depth at RB, DBs and defensive line. Things are looking good, very exciting.

As someone else wrote, I too have concerns about LB depth but have to see what the staff does with anyone they think is a LEO or safeties that can play in the box.
 

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great write up, its needed to calm down all of the armchair husky fanboy gms who will never forgive PCJs for not assimilating the huskies dbs to replace the lob.

Ballsy call here but I bet all 7 of our first picks this year make the roster.
 

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Seahwkgal":1yge3o3o said:
Mick063":1yge3o3o said:
One person's take based upon a compilation of internet searches.

I'll watch some preseason games and then get my own first impressions at that time.
Crap, what a rude response.

The draft is a fire hydrant and we are all dogs. As we sniff the draft results, if the resulting commentary does not smell of our own making, we must dutifully lift a leg and make sure that it does. What is important is if you can mask another scent while imposing your own.

It is all about marking territory.

I'll not be lifting my leg until I actually watch these players in a Seahawk uniform. Perhaps I will bookmark this thread so that I can use this particular hydrant when the time comes.
 

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Mick063":3fsqwuow said:
Seahwkgal":3fsqwuow said:
Mick063":3fsqwuow said:
One person's take based upon a compilation of internet searches.

I'll watch some preseason games and then get my own first impressions at that time.
Crap, what a rude response.

The draft is a fire hydrant and we are all dogs. As we sniff the draft results, if the resulting commentary does not smell of our own making, we must dutifully lift a leg and make sure that it does. What is important is if you can mask another scent while imposing your own.

It is all about marking territory.

I'll not be lifting my leg until I actually watch these players in a Seahawk uniform.


You missed the point. When someone takes the time to bang out a 2000 word piece on the Seahawks and you respond with less than 100 words it adds nothing to the conversation and it discourages others to do the same.


Pro Tip: If you don't like it take the time to craft a rebuttal.
 

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sdog1981":3ijlgxaq said:
Mick063":3ijlgxaq said:
Seahwkgal":3ijlgxaq said:
Mick063":3ijlgxaq said:
One person's take based upon a compilation of internet searches.

I'll watch some preseason games and then get my own first impressions at that time.
Crap, what a rude response.

The draft is a fire hydrant and we are all dogs. As we sniff the draft results, if the resulting commentary does not smell of our own making, we must dutifully lift a leg and make sure that it does. What is important is if you can mask another scent while imposing your own.

It is all about marking territory.

I'll not be lifting my leg until I actually watch these players in a Seahawk uniform.


You missed the point. When someone takes the time to bang out a 2000 word piece on the Seahawks and you respond with less than 100 words it adds nothing to the conversation and it discourages others to do the same.


Pro Tip: If you don't like it take the time to craft a rebuttal.

Awesome research skills. I give him an A+ for his report.

With regard to feeling enlightened about the players drafted, I'll wait until I see a few of them cover a kick off. In other words, I don't believe a word he wrote. Great report though. Lots of effort.

Pro Tip? How much do you get paid for your writing expertise? Regardless, can't really craft a rebuttal until I ....see them play.
 
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