Hawkalypse":3mwoegyb said:Did those teams face the statistically greatest offense of all time? No. The Hawks are the greatest.
falcongoggles":2gu0raar said:If we posted the shutoff it would be a no brainer. Those eight points will make it a debate. I'm happy for people to say, the Bears, Bucs, Seahawks, Ravens
justafan":980cb6au said:To be in the conversation is a great compliment to the D but they have to be thought of as the frontrunner in IMO.How much better would these guys be if they could headhunt like they did in the past.
Wrapped up a historical season in the meaningful stats dept. with a domination of the best O in the history of the league.
Hawkalypse":22r4mg5t said:Did those teams face the statistically greatest offense of all time? No. The Hawks are the greatest.
NINEster":33sevcde said:Not to take anything away from what the Seahawks D did in the super bowl (it was very impressive), but there needs to be an asterisk applied to Denver being the best offense in NFL history because of the era they played in. You would have to account for inflation as they say.
It's easier to score these days, and the Broncos took advantage of a lot to get the stats they did. A downside to the era they play in, is that it makes their offense a lot more susceptible to getting punched in the mouth because their teams do not encounter it as often as in the old days. You listen to Cris Collinsworth talk about his playing days and every story was getting destroyed catching passes. Playing against a Seahawks team would have been very challenging but no more intimidating than playing those vicious Steelers teams of old.
The '85 Bears played a s*** Patriots, yes. But that Bears team played the 49ers extremely tough and kept Joe Montana from throwing a TD against them that season. Buddy Ryan's D in Chicago, Philly, and Houston (in their respective peak years of '85, '92 and '93 respectively) were some bad ass defenses.
The '90 Giants defense doesn't get a lot of spotlight but they held a very high scoring Bills offense to 19 points in the bowl. While the stats may not be sparkling, they were a bit of an underdog and defeated the Bills with excellent game planning and physical play on all receivers. The '86 Giants defense is interesting because it allowed the Broncos in the super bowl to do a lot more than the 49ers and Redskins did in the playoffs (a combined 3 points allowed).
When the Patriots beat the Rams in '01, Belichick dusted off his playbook from the '90 Giants super bowl to flummox the greatest show on turf.
The '00 Ravens D had no real challenge in the super bowl, but allowed only 165 points in the regular season that year....about 10 points a game is insane. And they won a few games in a row without any offensive TDs.
Hard to get into the Steel Curtain as I wasn't around in those days. Those defenses were legendary.
It's good company to be in with all of these teams. Hard to say which one is best, nor should it matter.
Interesting note -- Denver if they can recover from this, will probably gain a lot from playing the NFC West this year. Still don't think it will be enough for Manning to overcome against another NFC juggernaut in the super bowl, but at least his team won't be blown out again.
This defense is legendary, save your asterisk. This is an era where the rules overwhelmingly favor the offense and we crushed the media annointed greatest all time offense. Try to quantify, qualify or diminish all you want-the hawks defense evicerated the greatest offense in NFL history on the biggest stage. The Hawks have the greatest defense of all time-period.NINEster":24ka708f said:Not to take anything away from what the Seahawks D did in the super bowl (it was very impressive), but there needs to be an asterisk applied to Denver being the best offense in NFL history because of the era they played in. You would have to account for inflation as they say.
It's easier to score these days, and the Broncos took advantage of a lot to get the stats they did. A downside to the era they play in, is that it makes their offense a lot more susceptible to getting punched in the mouth because their teams do not encounter it as often as in the old days. You listen to Cris Collinsworth talk about his playing days and every story was getting destroyed catching passes. Playing against a Seahawks team would have been very challenging but no more intimidating than playing those vicious Steelers teams of old.
The '85 Bears played a s*** Patriots, yes. But that Bears team played the 49ers extremely tough and kept Joe Montana from throwing a TD against them that season. Buddy Ryan's D in Chicago, Philly, and Houston (in their respective peak years of '85, '92 and '93 respectively) were some bad ass defenses.
The '90 Giants defense doesn't get a lot of spotlight but they held a very high scoring Bills offense to 19 points in the bowl. While the stats may not be sparkling, they were a bit of an underdog and defeated the Bills with excellent game planning and physical play on all receivers. The '86 Giants defense is interesting because it allowed the Broncos in the super bowl to do a lot more than the 49ers and Redskins did in the playoffs (a combined 3 points allowed).
When the Patriots beat the Rams in '01, Belichick dusted off his playbook from the '90 Giants super bowl to flummox the greatest show on turf.
The '00 Ravens D had no real challenge in the super bowl, but allowed only 165 points in the regular season that year....about 10 points a game is insane. And they won a few games in a row without any offensive TDs.
Hard to get into the Steel Curtain as I wasn't around in those days. Those defenses were legendary.
It's good company to be in with all of these teams. Hard to say which one is best, nor should it matter.
Interesting note -- Denver if they can recover from this, will probably gain a lot from playing the NFC West this year. Still don't think it will be enough for Manning to overcome against another NFC juggernaut in the super bowl, but at least his team won't be blown out again.
Yeah, I can agree with that.PatsFanNH":3dlp29gn said:I hate comparing different eras with eachother, lets just say the Hawks D is the blue print for other teams for THIS generation of football.