D-Line Possibles, or are we good?

[hawksfan35]

Came across this article yesterday, bare in mind I am all about giving more time/looks to the people on our roster (Poona) but the trade outlined in this article is not us giving up very much (except for a contract to Clowney) just wondering everyone's thoughts!

https://mavensports.io/seahawks/news/wi ... wJ1oSJMTA/

 

[knownone]

It doesn't make any sense to trade away Clark and trade for Clowney in the same off season.

 

[2_0_6]

Complete pipe dream, but I would LOVE the Hawks to land Yannick Ngakoue in a deal with the Jags.

 

[onanygivensunday]

Pass.

The Hawks COULD trade for him but in 2019 he's playing on the franchise tag ($16M) and there's no gaurantee that he'll sign with Seattle when he becomes an UFA after the season. The deadline for an extension has passed.

 

[bbsplitter]

I don't think there is really any realistic options out there to provide large improvements. More then likely we will add a few vets here and there and see who sticks.

 

[hawksfan35]

I agree with everything that is doesn't make sense to trade for Clowney after trading Clark - I am also a big fan of building from within. I believe we have the potential to have a very versatile d line with Green & Collier having the ability to move inside on 3rd down - I am so excited to see what Poona can do for us!

Go Hawks

 

[chris98251]

There will be vets available in 3 weeks that can plug and play the middle, edge guy maybe but it could cost a bit unless they are willing to do a prove contract.

 

[knownone]

There will be vets available in 3 weeks that can plug and play the middle, edge guy maybe but it could cost a bit unless they are willing to do a prove contract.

If the team feel's they don't have enough pass rush I'm fine with them paying what ever it takes to fill the hole. Our first 6 games are against some great offenses, I'd hate for that to negatively impact our season because we wanted to save a few million.

 

[vin.couve12]

I don't see any moves being done unless we get to game 4 and are in a hole with the pass rush being a blatant, proven problem. I think that's where it's at. It needs to be proven that this group CAN'T when you'll also have two guys coming back mid season.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

It doesn't make any sense to trade away Clark and trade for Clowney in the same off season.

This.

Even with the recent Reed suspension, it makes zero sense to trade away a better player in Clark to sign a lesser player in Clowney.............and still have to pay him roughly the same amount.

Only thing that'd change my mind is if there's something we don't know about Ziggy's timeline or overall health in getting back to his dominant play. But all things point to him being on track to start playing at the beginning of the season.

 

[Chawker]

I agree with what has been said in this thread, but given possibilities that we could acquire Clowney for a second round pick (we got a #1 for Clark) and could sign him for about what was offered to Clark 17 ish mil. It is a opportunity to increase our pass rush and both ziggy and Collier are injured, well.... Think about it a little bit more. :idea:

P.S.Ziggy, Woods, Collier, Clowney on 3rd downs opposing Qbs wouldn't know to poop or go blind. :2thumbs:

 

[chris98251]

I agree with what has been said in this thread, but given possibilities that we could acquire Clowney for a second round pick (we got a #1 for Clark) and could sign him for about what was offered to Clark 17 ish mil. It is a opportunity to increase our pass rush and both ziggy and Collier are injured, well.... Think about it a little bit more. :idea:

P.S.Ziggy, Woods, Collier, Clowney on 3rd downs opposing Qbs wouldn't know to poop or go blind. :2thumbs:

Problem since the offer to Clark we have signed Wagner, that may skew what is available for now.

 

[vin.couve12]

Even if Ansah plays game 1, I'm not so sure that Martin doesn't lead the team in sacks with 9 and ends up matching Clowney on that front anyway. Martin is eerily similar to Chris Clemons when he came in to the league and even plays with better bend and is better refined in hand technique at this stage in their careers.

Another bad injury might make them pull the trigger on SOMETHING, but Clowney is such a stretch.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I agree with what has been said in this thread, but given possibilities that we could acquire Clowney for a second round pick (we got a #1 for Clark) and could sign him for about what was offered to Clark 17 ish mil. It is a opportunity to increase our pass rush and both ziggy and Collier are injured, well.... Think about it a little bit more. :idea:

P.S.Ziggy, Woods, Collier, Clowney on 3rd downs opposing Qbs wouldn't know to poop or go blind. :2thumbs:

Problem since the offer to Clark we have signed Wagner, that may skew what is available for now.

We still have 20M of cap space, so there's definitely room for Clowney. But then you're only leaving yourself 4-5M for the rest of the year for injuries and room to operate.

As much as I'd love to add Clowney to our already thin D-line, I don't like the idea of getting rid of Clark and adding Clowney and the draft pick(s) it'd take to get him. To me that's a step backwards for almost the same money.

 

[Chawker]

4-5 plus we'll trim off some when the cut down to 53 happens. So we would be golden money wiz.

 

[sutz]

4-5 plus we'll trim off some when the cut down to 53 happens. So we would be golden money wiz.

Most of the guys we cut won't even be on the 51 man salary cap roster anyway. Probably won't clear more than a few mill going to 53.

 

[ivotuk]

I didn't think Clowney was that good either, until i read Robs blog

In the last 24 hours multiple reports have suggested the Texans are ready to deal Clowney. It’s starting to feel inevitable he’ll move on before the start of the season.

Make no mistake — he’s a fantastic player.

In the last three years he’s accumulated 54 TFL’s. In 2017 his 21 TFL’s ranked #2 in the league and in 2016 he led the NFL with 17. Last year he had 16 but only ranked at #11.

In comparison, Frank Clark had only 11 TFL’s in 2018 and had 32 over the last three seasons.

http://seahawksdraftblog.com

And like Chris alluded to, i doubt Seattle signs anyone until after the first regular season game because IIRC, they don't have to guarantee the salary.

 

[ivotuk]

Even if Ansah plays game 1, I'm not so sure that Martin doesn't lead the team in sacks with 9 and ends up matching Clowney on that front anyway. Martin is eerily similar to Chris Clemons when he came in to the league and even plays with better bend and is better refined in hand technique at this stage in their careers.

Another bad injury might make them pull the trigger on SOMETHING, but Clowney is such a stretch.

I was thinking this exact same thing. Didn't you mention this point not long after the draft? Somebody did, maybe it was me! :les:

 

[vin.couve12]

I know I said it, but it was quite a few people. Probably yourself as well. Chris Clemons played with a serious aggression in terms of his mentality as a hunter. That's a huge trait as a pass rusher, probably beyond many other traits. Martin plays with that same fire. They're a little bit different, but that part is the same. Gives no schucks.

 

[xray]

Clark may score more sacks ; but Clowney is more disruptive overall against offenses ...TFLs etc. Head to head ; Clowney has the edge ; but they are close . If the Hawks pursue Clowney ;it would seem like they are trying to correct the mistake of trading Clark away . IMO