Defense has been awful since the BYE Week

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Definitely doing a good job not giving up points but doing a pretty awful job getting the ball back or making life hard on opposing offenses.
 

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Well, you could argue that points allowed is the most important stat for a defense.
They have had plenty of 3rd down stops for the Offense. Only to see the offense crap the bed. I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised to see them get gassed at the end of games. They are out there 2/3 of the game. This whole damn season feels like one long Twilight Zone episode.
 

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James in PA":2kwnhqx7 said:
Defense deserves A LOT of the blame. They cannot get off the damn field. See "the chicken or the egg" thread.


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How are they supposed to STAY off the field if the offense can only convert one third down (excluding the TD) in the first 58 minutes of the game?

The offense had FOUR DRIVES in the third quarter alone - that can only be done if the defense does enough to stop the opposition quickly - which they did. The furthest we made it in those 4 drives was SEA 37... we started that drive at the 30.

Despite the length of time on the field, the defense managed to force and three and out three times in a row in the 2nd half. Points scored off of of those stops? 0. Total yards gained? 18.

You can't win games if you don't score points. And you can't score points if you can't gain yards!
 

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LTH":2fq1zw15 said:
keasley45":2fq1zw15 said:
Drive 1 - 1:35
Drive 2 - 2:39
Drive 3 - 2:39
Drive 4 - 0:48
Drive 5 - 0:40
Drive 6 - 1:34
Drive 7 - 1:36

First 7 drives vs WFT. That's, what... 11 minutes?

We only managed 7 more minutes for the rest of the game.

And we're 6th in the league in scoring defense??? That might be an NFL record. To be on the field that long and still be top 10 even is remarkable.


Part of the problem with the D getting off the field on 3rd down , and tell me if you think I'm wrong because sometimes its hard to see it on TV but, there is a difference between having KJ on those back side screens and Brooks. KJ sniffs that stuff out and Brooks is still learning as the only way to learn is by playing. Carroll made that choice so in the short term they are going to take a hit, but in the long term it's going to work out. It's the same with Brooks coverage skills it's just a learning process from my perspective.


LTH

No doubt KJ was one of the best at the screen game but I think it maybe has more to do with how we have to play on the back endbto cover our CBs now. We just aren't playing as tight as we could be. When you're always on your heals trying to keep from getting gashed by the big play, it keeps you from being as tuned into the screens as you could be.
 

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Since the other thread that was basically the same topic fizzled out, and I don't really feel like typing out my thoughts again, I'm just going to copy and paste this here.

Chapow":3p13hyq8 said:
pittpnthrs":3p13hyq8 said:
Chapow":3p13hyq8 said:
pittpnthrs":3p13hyq8 said:
The defenses is nowhere close to being legit. They are awful. They can’t get off the field. They can’t tackle. They can’t get near enough pressure on the QB. Etc,,, How are people still defending that unit? Another no name running back goes for over 100 yet again. They are as much to blame for the lopsided TOP as the offense.

Maybe people are defending that unit because they are giving up the 6th fewest points per game of any defense in the league.

Meanwhile, the offense is going 3 and out over and over and over again, until they finallly get 1 first down before punting again. Our offense is straight up dysfunctional. They are a steaming pile of dog $h!t that can't even execute the simplest of play calls. It is honestly some of the worst football I've ever seen in my life.

The defense is absolutely not the problem. There are only 5 teams in the league giving up fewer points per game than we are. If we had even a remotely competent offense, this team would have a winning record right now.

The defense is absolutely part of the problem. 6th in the league for points scored? That’s because teams have numerous 7 to 8 minute drives on them. Other teams don’t score more on them because they run out of time, not because they can’t.

I do agree that choosing to play "bend but don't break" defense is part of the time of possesion problem. I just happen to think that the complete and utter ineptitude of the offense is a far, far bigger part of the problem.

Washington had 10 possesions last night (not including taking a knee at the end of the 1st half and the end of the game). Our defense forced a 3 and out on 4 of those possesions, and gave up only 1 first down before quickly forcing a punt on another. So they they got a very quick stop and forced a punt on half of their possesions. Each and every time, our offense responded with a quick 3 and out of their own, forcing the defense right back out on the field. At one point in the 2nd half, our defense forced 3 3 and outs in a row. Our offense responded with their own 3 and out every time.

Washington's longest drive of the game (by time) resulted in a field goal. Their second longest drive of the game resulted in a turnover on downs after our defense got a stop in the the red zone (and btw, this was in the 4th quarter when our defense was absolutely exhausted from being on the field for the vast majority of the game). Their 3rd longest drive of the game resulted in an interception. One of their TD drives was a short 3 minute drive (after our offense gave them excellent field position by fumbling), and the other was a 5 minute drive. Not excessively long by any means.

Meanwhile, our offense actually had 11 possesions. One more than Washington. They had 7 3 and outs (including 5 in a row at one point), a 2 play :48 second drive where they fumbled and gave Washington excellent field position, and another drive where they were only able to muster 1 first down before quickly punting yet again. Both of their scoring drives were under 3 minutes. The longest possesion of the entire game for our offense was 2:39.

The offense literally can not sustain a drive. They are forcing our defense to be on the field for the vast majority of the game. Even in a game where our offense had more possesions than the other team, and our defense forced a very quick punt on half of the other teams possesions, our defense was still on the field for over two thirds of the game. Our offense couldn't be screwing over our defense any harder if they tried.
 

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Mizak":1fr00jx3 said:
Here are some facts to ponder:

Vs WFT

Heinecke 27/35 77% completion

WFT 5 of 13 on 3rd downs, 38%

79 plays for WFT 45 for Hawks

TOP WFT 41 minutes Hawks 18 minutes


Vs Cardinals

McCoy 35/44 79% completion

WFT 7 of 14 on 3rd downs, 50%

79 plays for Cardinals 49 for Seahawks

TOP Cardinals 40 minutes Hawks 19 minutes



Vs Packers

Rodgers 23/37 62% completion

Packers 7 of 14 on 3rd downs, 50%

70 plays for Packers 59 plays for Seahawks

TOP Packers 39 minutes Hawks 20 minutes


But but but………… 5th fewest points allowed in the league!!! Doesn’t matter. Those 3 opponents scored enough points to win the game.

It's pretty easy to score enough points to beat the Seahawks when the Seahawks offense can only muster 0, 13, and 13 points in their last 3 games.

The offense is literally averaging under 9 points per game since the bye week.

But yeah, it's the fault of the defense for not holding our opponents to less than that.
 

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Fix the 3rd down crap and we probably only have 2 or 3 losses on the season.
 

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Mizak":ehm6lho0 said:
Here are some facts to ponder:

Vs WFT

Heinecke 27/35 77% completion

WFT 5 of 13 on 3rd downs, 38%

79 plays for WFT 45 for Hawks

TOP WFT 41 minutes Hawks 18 minutes


Vs Cardinals

McCoy 35/44 79% completion

WFT 7 of 14 on 3rd downs, 50%

79 plays for Cardinals 49 for Seahawks

TOP Cardinals 40 minutes Hawks 19 minutes



Vs Packers

Rodgers 23/37 62% completion

Packers 7 of 14 on 3rd downs, 50%

70 plays for Packers 59 plays for Seahawks

TOP Packers 39 minutes Hawks 20 minutes


But but but………… 5th fewest points allowed in the league!!! Doesn’t matter. Those 3 opponents scored enough points to win the game.

Using this logic the 1992 defense was awful too. In 12 games the opponents scored enough to win those games as well.
 

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The Seahawks defense forces punts on 39.3% of their drives, per
@pfref
. That's 5th-best in the NFL. This notion that they just let teams drive the length of the field every time is false.
 

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LTH":1wrnf1r5 said:
pittpnthrs":1wrnf1r5 said:
hoxrox":1wrnf1r5 said:
The losing streak is definitely not on the defense, so not sure what your point is.

The defense is as much to blame as anything else.

Based on what? Based on the fact that you love Wilson so much that you have to find SOMEWHERE TO PLACE THE BLAME?



LTH

Based on the fact that they stink. They allow sustained drives and cant get off the field. They cant get pressure on the QB and opposing teams run and pass at will against them. If you cant see the issues with that defense then there just isnt any hope for you.
 

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Seahawks have the sixth highest paid offense in the NFL. 18th highest paid defense. For having Jamal, Bobby and a bunch of cheap parts, they're playing as well as you could possibly hope. Per dollar, the offense is the most underperforming group in the NFL.
 
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