Im ready for a coaching change

[Chukarhawk]

Why does Pete come out and say yeah we are going to use lynch more? Giving GB the entire game plan. Then they wait until the 4th quarter to start actually using Wilson who they made the highest paid QB in the league. I'm sorry but I think it's time to move on. There's no debating this one. This is the 2nd straight year in which the coaches threw this game away by waiting way way way too late to start using Wilson. Plus they have yet to figure out how to defend modern offenses. Stats back it up this is the worst defense under Pete since 2010. It's time to move on it really is. The Seahawks may have been the only team in the league to let Adams catch every single pass thrown to him without a Seahawk being 5 yards in his range. Unreal I couldn't believe what I was watching.

Great, who are you going to replace him with? You are too young to remember the years and years of futility and missing the playoffs. You really need to get some perspective.

 

[SlickRick]

Its not going to get any better? It already did. Two years in a row. Not that long ago. Pete has already shown he can win it all. What are you talking about?

And, only once has Pete failed to get past the first round. Pete nearly always gets past the first round.

I'm not "ok" with playoff bounces, but it happens. Only one team every year gets to not get bounced. Takes quite a few things going right along with a pretty special roster to make it happen. Those of you who think that Pete, if he was a good coach, would have us in the Super Bowl every year are out of your minds.

Good coaches get their teams to the playoffs often, with a chance, with some breaks, to win it all. Pete has been and will continue to do, just that.

again his record without Wilson is sub 500, so how much is PC? FYi 2 teams get to not get bounced only one wins the championship. the issue is not getting bounced it is getting bounce the same way, and not giving it our all for 4 qtrs.

John 63 speaks to much truth, let me add on to that thought, seattle with wilson shouldn't be geezers let's get to the playoffs. It should be let's get that superbowl ring again and again and again. Anything less is a let down. Because once russ retires then Seattle will truly be in a hell hole with rotating qbs for who knows how many years. Waiting to strike gold like the rest of the teams with no qb.

This is the time to strike , while russ is in town.. or you can ask the colts how there season went with out luck or any team dying for a qb. Green bay did there thing maybe it's time for Seattle

This thought process is so simple... I don't understand why more teams don't adopt it. Get a franchise QB, and it's Super Bowl or bust, every season.

So is RW the only franchise quarterback in the NFL? Why don't the other franchise QB's win, every year. Obviously, NE does, or most years - but look throughout the league. Are all these coaches idiots? Do they all have bad game plans? Sean McVay is a genius one season, and out of the playoffs the next. Baltimore was a freaking Juggernaut this season. What happened? What happened in almost every season of Rodgers prime? Brees? Do these teams not go Super Bowl or bust, every year?

You're likely right - when RW is done, we'll likely be looking a carousel of losing and mediocrity. That's what it was like prior to Pete getting here for the years after MH, and that's DEFINITELY what it was like prior to the Holmgren years. That's what it's like for MOST OF THE LEAGUE, MOST OF THE TIME. How many consistently contending teams are out there? How many go, or win the SB every year? ONE.

It's ok to criticize Pete and his staff. I suppose it's okay to be ready to move on, but really think about what you're saying, what you're giving up, and for the most part, what the rest of the league deals with every year. Consistently winning in this league has proved near impossible. It's literally structured to make that incredibly difficult. Is it a surprise that SF is as good as they are? The Rams? They've both been picking in the top 5 for the last 5+ years, while the Hawks are picking in the 20's. They're SUPPOSED to get good. This is what is supposed to happen. On the other hand, sustained success is made difficult by coaching staffs being poached. Drafting late in rounds. Top players leaving in FA. Other top players staying, but sucking it up cap dollars.
All of that has happened to the Seahawks. Yet and still, they contend.

Only contend for now on I suppose, just make sure they tell potential free agents & drafts pics. you come to Seattle expect to contend.... championship? You say? those are long gone as long as Pete's here.

Now let's get back to running on 1st , 2nd, 3rd down while we're at it against elite teams that can stop the run, 1st up the rams yay another 2 automatic losses with mcvay running circles around Pete

Look , I'm not trying to go back & forth with anyone here. This is just one man's opinion. This team has so much potential & it's going down the pan with the quickness. 7-9 ,7-9 coaching. Just tired of seeing what this team should be & seeing what the reality of the situation is. Bounced before the NFC championship game again , again , again

 

[Hawkpower]

Pete deserves criticism, but this isnt it.

Getting to and winning playoff games in the NFL is hard. You don't dismiss seasons ending in "only the divisional round" unless you are a Patriot fan or you are super young and inexperienced with how things work.

Pete has been successful here. I want him to be better at some aspects of his job. But he has been successful.

Not super young but doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the def of insanity & I'm glad you're ok with playoff bounces.

Russ isn't getting any younger, his prime window will close & whos the next qb up? 10 years of trying to replace him ?

Its superbowl or bust with Russell Wilson. Maybe go be a fan of the browns .


If I can steal pittpnthrs answer , this is why
Im ready for a change too. Its not going to get any better as long as Pete is still here. Precious time is being wasted with Russ and this offense. Making the playoffs is nice but whats the point if you never get any further than the 1st round? Any offensive minded coach will do. Even if it doesnt work out, its worth the shot at this point

Its not going to get any better? It already did. Two years in a row. Not that long ago. Pete has already shown he can win it all. What are you talking about?

And, only once has Pete failed to get past the first round. Pete nearly always gets past the first round.

I'm not "ok" with playoff bounces, but it happens. Only one team every year gets to not get bounced. Takes quite a few things going right along with a pretty special roster to make it happen. Those of you who think that Pete, if he was a good coach, would have us in the Super Bowl every year are out of your minds.

Good coaches get their teams to the playoffs often, with a chance, with some breaks, to win it all. Pete has been and will continue to do, just that.

Let's see how many super bowl Pete's takes Seattle to while he's still here, I'll wait.. by the way so will you, Seattle will keep getting bounced. We will be having this discussion again next year , but you will be here like the rest great year raw raw , no superbowl again shucks ,,, Pete's baby is his defense & ironically it has gotten worse and worse each year, Seattle wins inspite of him not because

So he constructed a super bowl winning team a few years ago, had this flawed/young/hurt roster a few plays from the NFC championship game this year, but he can’t do it again?

Why? He’s the same coach he’s always been.

 

[getnasty]

well since we are not sure if the reason we are winning is Pete or Wilson and the reason we start slow is Pete or Wilson, why not get rid of one and see.

Or we could look at back and look

lets look at Petes record as a NFl coach pre Wilson
47-49 loosing

Since Wilson
100-59 winning

Lets just look at Seattle though
pre Wilson
14-18

Since Wilson
86-41

Historically his teams start slow, which he validates since he says he like sot use the first half to test the defense, and you can't win in the 1, 2,3rd etc etc

The way I see it if he wants to continue to play the way he seems to want to he needs sot build a top 3 defense and run game. If that's what you want to do you don't need a top QB, making what Wilson makes. If you are not going to build around Wilson players, and system then get a Qb that is cheaper and can do what you want.

That is what makes no sense why pay an Elite Franchise QB that kind of money and not build a system around him.

 

[NOLAHawk]

Not super young but doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the def of insanity & I'm glad you're ok with playoff bounces.

Russ isn't getting any younger, his prime window will close & whos the next qb up? 10 years of trying to replace him ?

Its superbowl or bust with Russell Wilson. Maybe go be a fan of the browns .


If I can steal pittpnthrs answer , this is why
Im ready for a change too. Its not going to get any better as long as Pete is still here. Precious time is being wasted with Russ and this offense. Making the playoffs is nice but whats the point if you never get any further than the 1st round? Any offensive minded coach will do. Even if it doesnt work out, its worth the shot at this point

Its not going to get any better? It already did. Two years in a row. Not that long ago. Pete has already shown he can win it all. What are you talking about?

And, only once has Pete failed to get past the first round. Pete nearly always gets past the first round.

I'm not "ok" with playoff bounces, but it happens. Only one team every year gets to not get bounced. Takes quite a few things going right along with a pretty special roster to make it happen. Those of you who think that Pete, if he was a good coach, would have us in the Super Bowl every year are out of your minds.

Good coaches get their teams to the playoffs often, with a chance, with some breaks, to win it all. Pete has been and will continue to do, just that.

Let's see how many super bowl Pete's takes Seattle to while he's still here, I'll wait.. by the way so will you, Seattle will keep getting bounced. We will be having this discussion again next year , but you will be here like the rest great year raw raw , no superbowl again shucks ,,, Pete's baby is his defense & ironically it has gotten worse and worse each year, Seattle wins inspite of him not because

So he constructed a super bowl winning team a few years ago, had this flawed/young/hurt roster a few plays from the NFC championship game this year, but he can’t do it again?

Why? He’s the same coach he’s always been.

Except Russell freelances a TD in 5m and Greenbay responds with one in 3. Its the same reasoning that was here after the ATL game, garbage time points.

When Green Bay needed to 3 and longs, they got them. When seattle needed 5y on 3d, they dropped back for a long pass and got sacked to 4 and 11. Punt. All the while you can see missed blocks, confused line men, Lynch and tightends doubling up on DEs that were already covered missing blitz or downfield blocks. It's not a well coached team, it never has been, and it continues to be one of the most undervalued talent team. The magic of Pete's philosophy is his stay out of the way style. Hallmarks of his time there no longer ring true,

There is no to tell the truth monday
There is no competing for roster spots, the best aren't out there always
There is no best in class tackling
There is no D line inspiring kids to be d line men

It took a retired running back to :breathe energy into the team:

Im not too young where I don't remember lean years, and I am not throwing the baby out with the bath water, but without overachieving talent, this coaching staff cannot get to the big game without a return to the foundational "things" that made them great to begin with

That said, There isn't the talent that was, and you're not too old to remember Geno smith in New York to see how benching this qb with a torn ACL from his improvising is more detrimental than managing the game to score at full speed every possession

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[OrangeGravy]

Love Pete, but last few years Seattle either squeaks into the playoffs to get eliminated in the 1st or 2nd round, or miss entirely the way they did a few years back when they finished 9-7. It might be time, to look into an offense minded coach. Look what reid has mahomes doing

Pete deserves criticism, but this isnt it.

Getting to and winning playoff games in the NFL is hard. You don't dismiss seasons ending in "only the divisional round" unless you are a Patriot fan or you are super young and inexperienced with how things work.

Pete has been successful here. I want him to be better at some aspects of his job. But he has been successful.

Not super young but doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the def of insanity & I'm glad you're ok with playoff bounces.

Russ isn't getting any younger, his prime window will close & whos the next qb up? 10 years of trying to replace him ?

Its superbowl or bust with Russell Wilson. Maybe go be a fan of the browns .


If I can steal pittpnthrs answer , this is why
Im ready for a change too. Its not going to get any better as long as Pete is still here. Precious time is being wasted with Russ and this offense. Making the playoffs is nice but whats the point if you never get any further than the 1st round? Any offensive minded coach will do. Even if it doesnt work out, its worth the shot at this point

It's almost comical at this point. These are things you say when you have no idea how hard it is to actually play and win a single football game. It screams madden/fantasy as their lead in to the game.
Its not going to get any better? It already did. Two years in a row. Not that long ago. Pete has already shown he can win it all. What are you talking about?

And, only once has Pete failed to get past the first round. Pete nearly always gets past the first round.

I'm not "ok" with playoff bounces, but it happens. Only one team every year gets to not get bounced. Takes quite a few things going right along with a pretty special roster to make it happen. Those of you who think that Pete, if he was a good coach, would have us in the Super Bowl every year are out of your minds.

Good coaches get their teams to the playoffs often, with a chance, with some breaks, to win it all. Pete has been and will continue to do, just that.

 

[OrangeGravy]

Tired of the PC apologists and tired of Pete.

Pete has a philosophy that only works when you have the perfect storm of players on the roster. After the 2013 season where we won the SB everyone thought we had a genius HC/GM. We have found out thru subsequent years that we do not. The players we found in later rounds and thru easy signs were as much a product of luck as skill.

WE are squandering a QB that should have two rings and possibly three by now. This whole idea of starting slow with predictable running plays even when they are not working will NOT work unless you have a great defense. Did you hear what I said? - will NOT work.

Yesterday's game was a replay of last year's game with Dallas. I am sick to death of it!

You do realize that only one franchise has shown that they can win the SB without the perfect storm of players right? That's kind of how it works. You have to the right combination of players and you have to have things break your way with injuries and any of 100 other things. The franchises that get themselves into position are the best at mitigating those things and getting into the playoffs over and over again. Seattle is one of those teams.

 

[pittpnthrs]

I'm ready for a change too. Its not going to get any better as long as Pete is still here. Precious time is being wasted with Russ and this offense. Making the playoffs is nice but whats the point if you never get any further than the 1st round? Any offensive minded coach will do. Even if it doesnt work out, its worth the shot at this point.

We’ve gotten past the first round nearly every time Pete has taken us to the playoffs.

Next fake complaint?

1st or 2nd round whatever. The fact is the Hawks are stuck at that point with the current coaching staff and will be until it changes. If you're content with that,,,,good for you. A lot of us arent.

 

[pittpnthrs]

What happened in almost every season of Rodgers prime? .

Coaching change to a younger Lafleur (came from Mcvays coaching tree) and they are mysteriously only a game away from the Super Bowl. How odd.

 

[NJlargent]

What happened in almost every season of Rodgers prime? .

Coaching change to a younger Lafleur (came from Mcvays coaching tree) and they are mysteriously only a game away from the Super Bowl. How odd.

Even more odd is that the coach they got rid of won them a SB. I guess in Green Bay when you win a super bowl you aren’t cloaked with immunity from criticism and scrutiny.

 

[FinNasty]

You guys are wildly spoiled. I don't mean that as an insult or in a demeaning way, its just fact. I'm a Dolphins fan. We haven't won a single playoff game in my entire fandom. Its literally been over 20 years... and counting.

You don't know how good you have it as Seahawks fans. The grass isn't greener... trust me. lol

 

[loafoftatupu]

I stand with Pete. I am a opening day fan from 76 and I have seen everything, Carroll has done well with what he had, in fact exceptional. This is an entire program we are talking about, not just in game decision making and offensive planning. Carroll has it all covered and has consistently kept us in the hunt while others wait years after getting high draft picks to finally make a showing only to die off the next year.

Carroll until he doesn't want it anymore.

 

[Largent80]

A Lot of Cri babies in here.

 

[Tusc2000]

A Lot of Cri babies in here.

Yup. A lot of know-it-alls too.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Some things do stay consistent. After another solid season, we are somehow the Bengals :?

 

[Tusc2000]

What happened in almost every season of Rodgers prime? .

Coaching change to a younger Lafleur (came from Mcvays coaching tree) and they are mysteriously only a game away from the Super Bowl. How odd.

Even more odd is that the coach they got rid of won them a SB. I guess in Green Bay when you win a super bowl you aren’t cloaked with immunity from criticism and scrutiny.

There can be bad decision making everywhere. USC had a chance to hire Ed Orgeron as HC in 2013 but they passed, only to hire Sarkisian and then Clay Helton. Oregeron's LSU team just won the national title, and USC's program is now in the tank.

 

[Mad Dog]

You guys are wildly spoiled. I don't mean that as an insult or in a demeaning way, its just fact. I'm a Dolphins fan. We haven't won a single playoff game in my entire fandom. Its literally been over 20 years... and counting.

You don't know how good you have it as Seahawks fans. The grass isn't greener... trust me. lol

Quoted for truth.

Most of you are babies.

You just have no clue about how hard it is to win in this league. No friggin clue.

McCarthy lost his immunity because he quit making playoffs as did Rivera. They've both been snatched up because everyone knows they are actually good coaches.

Matt LaFleur has won one playoff game against a severely depleted Seahawks team. When he beats SF, you can heap praises on him. Otherwise his success with a better roster is no better than Pete. McVay is sitting home. As are Bill, Sean, Pederson, and every SB winning coach from the last 10 years.

You don't change for changes sake. You change is there is clearly a superior option waiting in the wings.

Double digit victories every year, multiple playoff wins. That's my bar. SB or bust is just silly. It's the dream but it's only at best a 1/32 chance every year since every other team is working their butts off for the same prize.

Expecting SB's is like all the idiots that think their retirements will be funded by lottery winnings.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

this^
Remember, winning has to look a certain way. After every win, it's not good enough because it wasn't pretty and/or a blowout.

 

[seedhawk]

PC is a really good coach in most areas. Where he falls short is he is too patient with his slow the game down, run off the clock, limit other teams chances. Works really really well when you have a shut down D. Only kinda sorta works with a middle to lower rated D.

The GB game is/was a microcosm of our entire season. First half, we hardly ever snap the ball with more than 3-4 seconds left on the play clock. Second half, we increase tempo and snap the ball usually with 14-16 seconds left. The offense starts to come alive, with the same coaches, same plays, same personell, same game plan. The only change was tempo.

Then, with the ball, things working, we revert back because we do not want to leave Erin with time. We bog down, GB closes us out, and it is our own fault. PC just needs to become a bit more flexible about how long he sticks with his preferred slow play option. If we had started using our 2nd half tempo in the middle 2nd Qtr, the game could well wind up with a different winner.

New coaches, I vote no! New game philosophy, definite yes.

 

[NJlargent]

So we got destroyed by Carolina n the divisional round a few years back with a historic slow start. How has the progress been since? Maybe it is being spoiled, but is seeking improvement a bad thing? Or should we just accept it and be happy we are not the Raiders?