Okay, that's it.

[Hawkpower]

Is this serious? If you came away from this game thinking Schotty was the problem... I honestly don't know what to tell you.

Agreed.

Not saying Schotty isnt a problem, but it wasn't really the main problem today.

Plenty of other issues that took center stage before playcalling.

 

[JustTheTip]

Nope. Square on the play designer/caller. Unless you're just looking for a scapegoat, like when the ship's captain gets convicted because the sub-officer on watch steered the ship into the rocks.

I am finding it less and less likely that I will have to eat crow.

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[Spin Doctor]

Is this serious? If you came away from this game thinking Schotty was the problem... I honestly don't know what to tell you.

Yes.

Not saying Schotty isnt a problem, but it wasn't really the main problem today.

Plenty of other issues that took center stage before playcalling.

He was a pretty big problem today. We called low percentage, stupid plays in key situations.

 

[mistaowen]

Year in and year out it’s frustrating having to watch Russell take over because the coaching staff’s gameplan doesn’t work for 2+ quarters. I thought last week was the turning point, jettisoning run first to beat a susceptible quick pass defense. Today was another one that should have changed quickly and instead they kept forcing a bad gameplan til late in the third. And at that point it’s a multi-touchdown deficit.

 

[DHawk]

Trying to pin this completely on the offensive play calls seems a bit much in my opinion. I don't disagree that Wilson and the offense is held back at times, but did you not watch the whole game today? Seattle sucked in almost every phase of the game. Seattle wasn't tackling for shit today. Carson's fumble and slips for negative yards and a TD for the Saints D. A penalty for lining up over center(you had one job!). Seattle spotted them 3 TD's on a lack of fundamental's. The fact that the game ended 27 - 33 is amazing to me.

Its a good discussion to have, don't get me wrong. But this game was trash on every level and I think our offense wasn't the worst part.

 

[mistaowen]

Is this serious? If you came away from this game thinking Schotty was the problem... I honestly don't know what to tell you.

Agreed.

Not saying Schotty isnt a problem, but it wasn't really the main problem today.

Plenty of other issues that took center stage before playcalling.

20-7 at half time against an extremely conservative saints team missing a HOF QB. How many horizontal passes and unsuccessful runs did we see outside of the one quick hitting TD drive? The game script sucked. Russell was on fire again but his stats should have been spread out better instead of 80% in the fourth.

 

[Seanhawk]

I was pretty much the first to call for bevel's firing because I knew from the start he was hot garbage. I've held off for 1 season + 3 games from making judgement on Schotzenhammer, but that's it. He needs to go.

This is all Pete. Schotty wants to open up the offense but Pete is a stubborn old bastard. Pete needs to call it quits. Pete is applying old school football in a era where it won't work. I've heard Pete and Schotty have had many disagreements about the offense and where it should go etc...

Source on the disagreement?

Probably his same source as the Ramsey stuff. Somebody told him.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Trying to pin this completely on the offensive play calls seems a bit much in my opinion. I don't disagree that Wilson and the offense is held back at times, but did you not watch the whole game today? Seattle sucked in almost every phase of the game. Seattle wasn't tackling for shit today. Carson's fumble and slips for negative yards and a TD for the Saints D. A penalty for lining up over center(you had one job!). Seattle spotted them 3 TD's on a lack of fundamental's. The fact that the game ended 27 - 33 is amazing to me.

Its a good discussion to have, don't get me wrong. But this game was trash on every level and I think our offense wasn't the worst part.

Half of the points came in garbage time. The offensive playcalling was definitely one of the problems today.

 

[Hawkpower]

Is this serious? If you came away from this game thinking Schotty was the problem... I honestly don't know what to tell you.

Yes.

Not saying Schotty isnt a problem, but it wasn't really the main problem today.

Plenty of other issues that took center stage before playcalling.

He was a pretty big problem today. We called low percentage, stupid plays in key situations.

Well yes. But then again dont we always?

There were other more potentially troubling signs that seem more worthy of immediate conversation, that's all. We can talk about strange stupid play calls (as can pretty much every losing team) any week.

 

[SeaMeat]

It does not matter who the OC is. It could even be an empty headset.

The product on the field will be the same.

This is Pete's offense.

 

[nanomoz]

Horse shit.

Teams gave up 14.

Russ missed throws.

Carson fumbled yet again and lost his footing 3 or 4 times, on two of which he had some green.

 

[LTH]

I was pretty much the first to call for bevel's firing because I knew from the start he was hot garbage. I've held off for 1 season + 3 games from making judgement on Schotzenhammer, but that's it. He needs to go.

LMAO!!!!! Ok then....

LTH

 

[chris98251]

I understand the play calls, Carson is a between the tackles runner and they were setting up for that, the passes to the Backs in the flat were meant to stretch them out, and it worked except Carson had ball protection problems, they started putting in Procise and he not a between the tackle runner, no lean and no power.

 

[justafan]

I'm pretty sure that all of us (at least, the rational ones) understand that when RW3 is calling plays the offense clicks. Which automatically means that the dude normally calling plays (and the offense doesn't click) is shit.

When does he call plays? We dont even know how often he audibles

Don't be obtuse. It's obvious to the most casual observer that RW3 audibles late in games when we're behind. And that it always works to a treat.

You dont anything about the audibles or how they work on the seahawks unless you are in the meetings. Thats nothing but BS try to pass it off as knowledge.

 

[mistaowen]

I'm pretty sure that all of us (at least, the rational ones) understand that when RW3 is calling plays the offense clicks. Which automatically means that the dude normally calling plays (and the offense doesn't click) is shit.

When does he call plays? We dont even know how often he audibles

Don't be obtuse. It's obvious to the most casual observer that RW3 audibles late in games when we're behind. And that it always works to a treat.

You dont anything about the audibles or how they work on the seahawks unless you are in the meetings. Thats nothing but BS try to pass it off as knowledge.

Oh It's very obvious when Russell chooses plays.

 

[John63]

Horse shit.

Teams gave up 14.

Russ missed throws.

Carson fumbled yet again and lost his footing 3 or 4 times, on two of which he had some green.

Ahh so the coaches get a pass and you want to blame Wilson who xom9leted 64+% of his passes, over 4p0 yards, 2 tds another 59 rushing and 2 tds. Yeah right, what game did you watch? The plat calling and design for most of the game was awful and it was all the PC show.

 

[John63]

I'm pretty sure that all of us (at least, the rational ones) understand that when RW3 is calling plays the offense clicks. Which automatically means that the dude normally calling plays (and the offense doesn't click) is shit.

When does he call plays? We dont even know how often he audibles

Don't be obtuse. It's obvious to the most casual observer that RW3 audibles late in games when we're behind. And that it always works to a treat.

You dont anything about the audibles or how they work on the seahawks unless you are in the meetings. Thats nothing but BS try to pass it off as knowledge.

Well except Huard and other who would know say the same thing

 

[justafan]

When does he call plays? We dont even know how often he audibles

Don't be obtuse. It's obvious to the most casual observer that RW3 audibles late in games when we're behind. And that it always works to a treat.

You dont anything about the audibles or how they work on the seahawks unless you are in the meetings. Thats nothing but BS try to pass it off as knowledge.

Well except Huard and other who would know say the same thing

But nobody here is even close to having Huards experience and football knowledge

 

[12AngryHawks]

Remember when they used to be a great second half team? Seems like so long ago.

 

[scutterhawk]

Trying to pin this completely on the offensive play calls seems a bit much in my opinion. I don't disagree that Wilson and the offense is held back at times, but did you not watch the whole game today? Seattle sucked in almost every phase of the game. Seattle wasn't tackling for shit today. Carson's fumble and slips for negative yards and a TD for the Saints D. A penalty for lining up over center(you had one job!). Seattle spotted them 3 TD's on a lack of fundamental's. The fact that the game ended 27 - 33 is amazing to me.

Its a good discussion to have, don't get me wrong. But this game was trash on every level and I think our offense wasn't the worst part.

Finally, a post in this thread that addresses the WHOLE of the problems....Folks don't want Schotts to dial up so many Run plays....Payton says here Pete & Schotty, watch how giving Kamara a shitload of carries can exhaust a Defense, and then observe how well the League's #1 Receiver can get SO WIDE OPEN on your Secondary.
NO's Special Teams is no joke either.....The TWO YARD LINE.....TWICE!!!!!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?1?!