Pick #120 TE Will Dissly

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Yes indeed, Miller came out of college a little more explosive and further along as a receiver. But, I don't see Dissly as a niche player or specialist. His will and ability to be very versatile and line up in multiple pre-snap positions is going to pay big dividends going forward IMO.

About as versatile as Ed Dickson who of which he will be behind on the depth chart.

He will be the backup to the backup, of a not so stellar TE group. Sorry if I'm not blown away by this pick. All in all Seattle had an awesome draft, but this pick is the only actual "reach" of their draft.

 

[Jville]

Yes indeed, Miller came out of college a little more explosive and further along as a receiver. But, I don't see Dissly as a niche player or specialist. His will and ability to be very versatile and line up in multiple pre-snap positions is going to pay big dividends going forward IMO.

About as versatile as Ed Dickson who of which he will be behind on the depth chart.

He will be the backup to the backup, of a not so stellar TE group. Sorry if I'm not blown away by this pick. All in all Seattle had an awesome draft, but this pick is the only actual "reach" of their draft.

Fair enough. Although, I do think the difference can be found in the contrasting what you like at tight end with what Pete and John value and are building at that position group.

 

[pmedic920]

Can I request to have my user name changed? I don't want to be confused with this other Nate the Great guy and his outlandish thoughts which I in no way agree with.

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[Grahamhawker]

I didn't watch Dissly with much intent last UW season. After reading his draft profiles, the summary conclusion is that he has "tremendous strength" as a blocker, with nice soft hands as an improving pass catcher- basically an OLman @TE.

I think P&J probably saw that he really might be that much better as a blocker than any other TE, so they just went and got him. Gettin serious about the run game.

 

[chris98251]

Don't know why a all around TE finally would be called a niche guy, Graham was a niche guy, blockers that can't catch are niche guys.

He has soft hands so can get better at receiving and route running, Baldwin working with him alone can improve that, willingness to hit people and block is harder to find and teach.

 

[Fade]

Seattle wants a vertical TE as well, and Dissly can be a great compliment to that.

Unfortunately you can only fix so much in one off-season. O-Line and playmakers at WR & TE will come next year.

This year the clear emphasis was getting more physical run blockers, and a better running back.

I get it, and am on board with the plan. 3rd string TE in the 4th rd, with a future of being the backup doesn't scream great value in the 4th rd to me. If you think he can be a starter then you have to do a lot of projecting because he isn't there yet. The definition of a reach.

It's the 4th rd curse, E.J. Wilson, Kris Durham, Chris Harper, Kevin Norwood, Mark Glowinski, Rhees Odihambo (last 3rd didn't have a 4th that year.) Tedric Thompson (still early on him, I don't like him at FS personally. Not enough speed.)

I chalk it up to a quirk on how JS does his draft board. The way he sets it up leads to having reaches in the 4th rd.
He has a horizontal board. He looks at the position of need that has the fewest players remaining in the 4th, and that is who he drafts.

Which leads to these results.

After you get passed the 4th, and have taken your "reach" player the horizontal board opens up, and you can just take who you like, and that is why their 5th rounders almost always end up better than their 4th rounders.

I keep waiting for JS to adjust this... but nope, it continues.

 

[truehawksfan]

So, I'm not going to debate anyone on when Dissly was drafted. I'm not going to be debate anyone that Zach Miller was a very good pass catching TE when he played with the Raiders.

Because, I don't care. What I care is finding players with specific abilities they're good at, so they don't have to think. They just play fast. They practice fast.

Do you know how many receptions Miller had the year we won the SB? 33. That's it. Just 33 receptions. Beastmode had more with 36. We won the Super Bowl because we were a run first, play action pass team second. Everyone knew we were going to run the ball and Miller could be considered the sixth linemen.

How many times did you shake your head when you saw Graham or Willson whiff on a block or get manhandled on a run play? Not anymore with Dickson or Dissly on the field. So I don't think anyone is going to complain that Dissly was selected in the fourth round when his block opens a hole for Carson or Penny.

I don't know about you, but I want to be the team that imposed their will on the opposing team. I liked the ground and pound, bullies on the field team and if Dissly ability to run block helps build that type of presence. Great.

 

[KitsapGuy]

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[Fade]

So, I'm not going to debate anyone on when Dissly was drafted. I'm not going to be debate anyone that Zach Miller was a very good pass catching TE when he played with the Raiders.

Because, I don't care. What I care is finding players with specific abilities they're good at, so they don't have to think. They just play fast. They practice fast.

Do you know how many receptions Miller had the year we won the SB? 33. That's it. Just 33 receptions. Beastmode had more with 36. We won the Super Bowl because we were a run first, play action pass team second. Everyone knew we were going to run the ball and Miller could be considered the sixth linemen.

How many times did you shake your head when you saw Graham or Willson whiff on a block or get manhandled on a run play? Not anymore with Dickson or Dissly on the field. So I don't think anyone is going to complain that Dissly was selected in the fourth round when his block opens a hole for Carson or Penny.

I don't know about you, but I want to be the team that imposed their will on the opposing team. I liked the ground and pound, bullies on the field team and if Dissly ability to run block helps build that type of presence. Great.

He got Bevell'd. Zach would of had 50 receptions that year with a different OC.

 

[hedgehawk]

So, I'm not going to debate anyone on when Dissly was drafted. I'm not going to be debate anyone that Zach Miller was a very good pass catching TE when he played with the Raiders.

Because, I don't care. What I care is finding players with specific abilities they're good at, so they don't have to think. They just play fast. They practice fast.

Do you know how many receptions Miller had the year we won the SB? 33. That's it. Just 33 receptions. Beastmode had more with 36. We won the Super Bowl because we were a run first, play action pass team second. Everyone knew we were going to run the ball and Miller could be considered the sixth linemen.

How many times did you shake your head when you saw Graham or Willson whiff on a block or get manhandled on a run play? Not anymore with Dickson or Dissly on the field. So I don't think anyone is going to complain that Dissly was selected in the fourth round when his block opens a hole for Carson or Penny.

I don't know about you, but I want to be the team that imposed their will on the opposing team. I liked the ground and pound, bullies on the field team and if Dissly ability to run block helps build that type of presence. Great.

Exactly! Do your job and block and get maybe 3-4 balls thrown your way. Catch those balls for 1st downs.

 

[hedgehawk]

So, I'm not going to debate anyone on when Dissly was drafted. I'm not going to be debate anyone that Zach Miller was a very good pass catching TE when he played with the Raiders.

Because, I don't care. What I care is finding players with specific abilities they're good at, so they don't have to think. They just play fast. They practice fast.

Do you know how many receptions Miller had the year we won the SB? 33. That's it. Just 33 receptions. Beastmode had more with 36. We won the Super Bowl because we were a run first, play action pass team second. Everyone knew we were going to run the ball and Miller could be considered the sixth linemen.

How many times did you shake your head when you saw Graham or Willson whiff on a block or get manhandled on a run play? Not anymore with Dickson or Dissly on the field. So I don't think anyone is going to complain that Dissly was selected in the fourth round when his block opens a hole for Carson or Penny.

I don't know about you, but I want to be the team that imposed their will on the opposing team. I liked the ground and pound, bullies on the field team and if Dissly ability to run block helps build that type of presence. Great.

He got Bevell'd. Zach would of had 50 receptions that year with a different OC.

So an extra 1 per game?

 

[olyfan63]

Loving all the solid posts in this thread, point, counter-point, about FOOTBALL STUFF that MATTERS, and what it reveals about where this team is going.

The main thing I noticed about Dissley was what Fade also brought out, Dissley had a vert of 28, while Miller had a vert of 34. All their other speed and agility numbers are so similar, it's like they're the same guy but with slightly different timings from run to run.

Miller's vertical of 34 inches vs. Dissly's vertical of 28 inches... 6 inches LESS than Miller--that strikes me as a BIG athletic difference. Does Miller (in his prime) really have that much more vertical explosiveness than Dissley?
If so, what plays will it matter on, that MIller could make, going up for and bringing down a ball that Dissley wouldn't get, and might go over his head for a pick?

Or, do people think that 6 inch difference was just a measurement/test taking/test coaching issue, where Dissley bungled the test and there really may not be more than an inch or so "true" difference in their verts?

FWIW, I noticed Luke Willson consistently had major trouble catching balls where he had to reach back and and up a little bit, on routes to the sideline. Russell had to make and adjustment to not throw it to that location. (Similar to the catch Foles made for a TD in the Super Bowl, but harder)

 

[Sterlinghawk]

This pick will do wonders for the RO. Looking forward to a new OC that will enlist subterfuge.

 

[hawknation2018]

If they want to try a jump ball in the red zone, Vannett & Dickson would probably be better options.

They could have used a big WR.

 

[chris98251]

Loving all the solid posts in this thread, point, counter-point, about FOOTBALL STUFF that MATTERS, and what it reveals about where this team is going.

The main thing I noticed about Dissley was what Fade also brought out, Dissley had a vert of 28, while Miller had a vert of 34. All their other speed and agility numbers are so similar, it's like they're the same guy but with slightly different timings from run to run.

Miller's vertical of 34 inches vs. Dissly's vertical of 28 inches... 6 inches LESS than Miller--that strikes me as a BIG athletic difference. Does Miller (in his prime) really have that much more vertical explosiveness than Dissley?
If so, what plays will it matter on, that MIller could make, going up for and bringing down a ball that Dissley wouldn't get, and might go over his head for a pick?

Or, do people think that 6 inch difference was just a measurement/test taking/test coaching issue, where Dissley bungled the test and there really may not be more than an inch or so "true" difference in their verts?

FWIW, I noticed Luke Willson consistently had major trouble catching balls where he had to reach back and and up a little bit, on routes to the sideline. Russell had to make and adjustment to not throw it to that location. (Similar to the catch Foles made for a TD in the Super Bowl, but harder)

Jumping high isn't what TE's normally do, vertical also is important to explosiveness out of a stance however and drive engagement, now as you said he may just be a guy that simply can't jump standing still and blew it but has good explosive stance, if his blocking was bad I would say we blew it because he has to get out of his stance to engage as a blocker, but that is not the case.

 

[Fade]

Taking a runblocking TE in the 4th, is like taking a center with the 1st overall pick. Even if he is a stud, it is the wrong choice due to positional value, and the ability to find great players at that position much later in the draft.

This was a scarcity pick due to how John Schneider sets up his draft board. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[hawknation2018]

Taking a runblocking TE in the 4th, is like taking a center with the 1st overall pick. Even if he is a stud, it is the wrong choice due to positional value, and the ability to find great players at that position much later in the draft.

This was a scarcity pick due to how John Schneider sets up his draft board. Nothing more, nothing less.

Supply was nonexistent for good blocking TEs. The position continues to become more and more finesse at the college level.

 

[Jville]

That's the trend the league keeps talking about.

What I keep hearing is that there is now a scarcity of well rounded tight ends coming out of college that can both block and catch. Most that are drafted are just big receivers teams hope they can motivate to block.

Well rounded tight ends are a scarcity pick. So any team that wants a well rounded tight end is going to have to pay.

EDIT: By the way ..... Will Dissly is listed at 6-foot-4 and 265 pounds. That is an outstanding match up size for a team that wants to assert it's physical will on an opponent.

 

[Fade]

Don't know why a all around TE finally would be called a niche guy, Graham was a niche guy, blockers that can't catch are niche guys.

He has soft hands so can get better at receiving and route running, Baldwin working with him alone can improve that, willingness to hit people and block is harder to find and teach.

I would like to remind you that this is a drug free environment, and I would hate to question your integrity.

But could you direct me to the scouting reports that have him as an all around TE?

All I've read is excellent runblocker, #2 TE potential, lacks athleticism, special teamer. 6-7 rd.

Show me the receipts please.

 

[KitsapGuy]

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