Ray Rice Video - punching his gf

[Trenchbroom]

Nothing about that video should be shocking. He got two games after everyone saw him drag her limp body down a hallway for crissakes. Just that video alone should have gotten him at least a year banishment and a hefty fine, but the NFL screwed up. Big time.

It would have been completely disgusting to see Ray Rice in pink shoes for "Breast Cancer Awareness Month" AKA "We Need More Female Fans in the NFL Month". Now we are spared that travesty at least.

 

[kearly]

Get a DUI, I can forgive. Get booked for being the wrong place / wrong time or having a concealed firearm? I can forgive.

But please please please Marshawn, please never do what Ray Rice just did, especially on camera. I think I would die from a broken heart.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I understand some women do it out of fear. Some are broken and think they really are in the wrong, and some endure it so they can stay with the money.

If this was a clear pattern of abuse with Rice I would agree with you, but this could be a single isolated incident. Maybe she just knows him better than you and thinks he wont do it again.

It's not up to us or the league to decide whether a player and his wife have a good marriage other than one instance of domestic violence.

If Ray Rice and his wife love each other and can work through this, more power to them. But the NFL has to show it's employees that there is zero tolerance for domestic violence. Goodell screwed up bigtime, and now we find out he might have lied about it all with seeing the video and then claiming not? Or not seeing it even though he could have?

I agree with you. I just think its a bit insulting to the wife to assume you know better than she does. We don't know either of them personally, and we weren't there. I don't think anyone could have a full understanding of the situation looking at 10 second window of a relationship that is years old.

I don't assume, but that's suppose to be the fairness of civil and criminal punishment...........and in this case league punishment.

No assumptions necessary. You punch your wife in the face in an elevator, you're suspended for a good long time. End of discussion.

 

[HansGruber]

There needs to be more outrage at the Ravens. Just sickening and inexcusable how they handled all of it. Writing puff pieces about the guy, raving about him, standing ovations, press conferences, etc.

The Ravens have just hit #1 on my dirtbag list. Scum from the top down. I'll be rooting against them all season and into the foreseeable future.

Goodell and the prosecutor both need to be fired. Immediately.

 

[salamander]

I don't assume, but that's suppose to be the fairness of civil and criminal punishment...........and in this case league punishment.

No assumptions necessary. You punch your wife in the face in an elevator, you're suspended for a good long time. End of discussion.

I agree wholeheartedly with that. What I don't agree with is Carlisle's criticizing/blaming the victim for staying with him when we don't know the full story, know if there is a pattern to the abuse, or know either of them personally.

 

[Scottemojo]

Roger Goodell should be fired for two things.

Number one, there is no way I think the league did not know what was on that video.

Number two, he just released a policy where the first offense is s max 6 game suspension. Yet, he suspends the guy indefinitely on his own whim. Did Ray deserve an indefinite suspension? Sure. But that doesn't make Goodell breaking his own policies OK.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I don't assume, but that's suppose to be the fairness of civil and criminal punishment...........and in this case league punishment.

No assumptions necessary. You punch your wife in the face in an elevator, you're suspended for a good long time. End of discussion.

I agree wholeheartedly with that. What I don't agree with is Carlisle's criticizing/blaming the victim for staying with him when we don't know the full story, know if there is a pattern to the abuse, or know either of them personally.

I have a daughter, and I would tell my daughter the same thing I'll tell you. How many times is it OK for a man to hit a woman? Zero. The answer is zero........no matter the circumstances.

One time hit, you're gone. So I don't need to know the Rice's personally to know that it's never acceptable, and therefore his wife should leave today, especially for a mother of a small daughter. I don't need to see a pattern, the pattern is One.

 

[HawkAroundTheClock]

For those confused about why women stay with abusive men, check out the Twitter hashtag: #WhyIStayed

There are thousands of heartbreaking reasons, including:

"because God doesn't approve of divorce",
"when he was sweet, it gave me hope things would get better",
"because I was ashamed",
"you're not supposed to tell all your business",
"I didn't want my daughter to grow up in a broken home",
"he told me he'd take my baby if I left him",
"because I was woman enough to accept my choice",
"because I didn't feel like a victim of abuse",
"because I was scared no one else would love me", etc.

There's only one reason a man would hit a woman: he's a piece of shit.

And Kearly, I love your work and perspective, but if you think this is the first time that Twitter outrage has led to real-world activism, you aren't following anyone from Ferguson or Gaza.

 

[kearly]

And Kearly, I love your work and perspective, but if you think this is the first time that Twitter outrage has led to real-world activism, you aren't following anyone from Ferguson or Gaza.

I'm guessing we would disagree pretty strongly on those two issues. But not here.

The twitter outrage machine proved useful in getting rid of the Clippers owner though. I hated the hypocritical 'thought police' logic behind the outrage, but when I learned about Sterling's past history I came to feel that justice was served. Ultimately, the final result was good, even if the way it happened was somewhat warped. The outrage machine played an instrumental role in that.

 

[salamander]

I don't assume, but that's suppose to be the fairness of civil and criminal punishment...........and in this case league punishment.

No assumptions necessary. You punch your wife in the face in an elevator, you're suspended for a good long time. End of discussion.

I agree wholeheartedly with that. What I don't agree with is Carlisle's criticizing/blaming the victim for staying with him when we don't know the full story, know if there is a pattern to the abuse, or know either of them personally.

I have a daughter, and I would tell my daughter the same thing I'll tell you. How many times is it OK for a man to hit a woman? Zero. The answer is zero........no matter the circumstances.

One time hit, you're gone. So I don't need to know the Rice's personally to know that it's never acceptable, and therefore his wife should leave today, especially for a mother of a small daughter. I don't need to see a pattern, the pattern is One.

Of course it's never OK, but I think its much easier said than done to completely cut ties with someone you love when they make a single out of character mistake. I wouldn't blame her at all if she did leave him, I'd help her pack her bags, but I'm not going to judge her for staying either when I don't know either of them.

 

[kearly]

One last thought on this issue.

I think that if Rice had really gotten out in front of this he might have had a chance. If he had apologized profusely and wept real tears at his press conference back in July... if he had claimed mental problems and was seeking help like Brandon Marshall... then he would have certainly taken a big bite out of the impact of this fiasco.

Instead, he more or less refused to apologize like a piece of shit and constantly reminded us that it was none of our business. Even before today, you could already see that Ray Rice is a piece of shit, the video leaking today was only a graphic form of confirmation.

 

[Smelly McUgly]

Brandon Marshall actually did seem to have BPD issues, so I don't think he was just "claiming" mental illness. Just wanted to say that, not meaning to imply that you were implying that he made it up.

Plus, it helped that a) he wasn't caught on tape and b) his significant other had physically attacked him

 

[Cartire]

I don't assume, but that's suppose to be the fairness of civil and criminal punishment...........and in this case league punishment.

No assumptions necessary. You punch your wife in the face in an elevator, you're suspended for a good long time. End of discussion.

I agree wholeheartedly with that. What I don't agree with is Carlisle's criticizing/blaming the victim for staying with him when we don't know the full story, know if there is a pattern to the abuse, or know either of them personally.

I have a daughter, and I would tell my daughter the same thing I'll tell you. How many times is it OK for a man to hit a woman? Zero. The answer is zero........no matter the circumstances.

One time hit, you're gone. So I don't need to know the Rice's personally to know that it's never acceptable, and therefore his wife should leave today, especially for a mother of a small daughter. I don't need to see a pattern, the pattern is One.

Of course it's never OK, but I think its much easier said than done to completely cut ties with someone you love when they make a single out of character mistake. I wouldn't blame her at all if she did leave him, I'd help her pack her bags, but I'm not going to judge her for staying either when I don't know either of them.

Thats why im here. To judge her for you. Ive judged her. I dont approve of her actions post-KO.

 

[Sports Hernia]

Ravens get no praise from me for taking action after their hand has been forced. I don't believe for a second that they didn't see or know what was on that video.

Actually, casinos have little problem covering stuff up for good/rich clients. It's very possible that they may have "accidentally" suppressed that video for a while. I'm not sure if they did or not, but you'd have to be very naive to think it's not a possibility.

True. ....and convenient that the casino in question is now closed.

 

[RolandDeschain]

True. ....and convenient that the casino in question is now closed.

It did? Wow. Under what pretense? That is exceptionally suspicious.

 

[Sports Hernia]

True. ....and convenient that the casino in question is now closed.

It did? Wow. Under what pretense? That is exceptionally suspicious.

Nothing to do with the incident, they were losing lots of $$$ (not Ray Rice related). They were one of 3 AC casinos to close in the last few months. The "convenient" part of my comment had to do with no ramifications for the casino since they are no longer in business.

 

[RolandDeschain]

Ah, I see.

 

[Laloosh]

How exactly would media types quoting league sources have details of what occurred if they hadn't seen the video? If it was from rice or his fiancé, wouldn't they be compelled to take the same action that they later took after having seen the video?

They saw the damn video or they didn't care about the details until things went to shit on the internet for them.

 

[-The Glove-]

I don't believe for one second Goodell and the league did NOT see the video...Mortensen is going to get the scoop on that video but nobody saw it? Right

 

[lsheldon]

Statements from the NFL that I've seen online state that they have never seen this video until today. God only knows if that is true, but I hope it is.

Commissioner Roger Goodell announced that, based on the new video evidence, Rice has been suspended indefinitely.

Rice was suspended for two games by the NFL in July for domestic violence. The punishment at the time that received widespread criticism in different circles.

"We requested from law enforcement any and all information about the incident, including the video from inside the elevator," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said Monday morning. "That video was not made available to us and no one in our office has seen it until today."

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/rave ... ase-090814

What I find almost as disturbing as that video is that both Baltimore & Santa Clara, teams with Domestic Violence issues, are coached by Harbaugh's. Players reflect the character of their coaches. Just saying.