With so many holes on their roster, they’d be dumb to do this trade, but we already know that after getting fleeced by Poles!
With so many holes on their roster, they’d be dumb to do this trade, but we already know that after getting fleeced by Poles!
Totally agree about what you said about Fletcher Cox and Bruce Irvin. It really depends on how good your scouting is, and how accurate your evaluation of the available players are. It's true that moving from 16 to 23 doesn't buy you a second, but moving down from 16 to 26 or lower would.Cox was the superior player though. Every team would take Cox in that scenario.
Based on the JJ trade chart, moving back from 16 to 23 would net you a 3rd round pick (value). Realistically, you wouldn't sniff a 2nd.
Clearly, they think Howell is as good, if not better than those guys that you mentioned. At least John does. He compared him to those guys specifically when he was asked about Howell.Yeah, that’s probably right, but are you comfortable with that? That is another way of asking whether you’d like the Seahawks spending the next 2-3 years testing whether Howell is the QB1? Personally, I like Bo Nix better than McCarthy or Penix, but, in any case, do think this is the draft to get a QB.
He would still be a 5th round pick again most likely. Slow, small hands, etc. He's a backup. We still need to take a chance on a qbotf. There will never be a "good" time. There will always be other needs. Always. I'm tired of talking about it. Nothing ever changes. Three years from now we will probably still be having this discussion.What you need to ask if you were John, Howell if he was entering the draft how would you rank him up against those other QB's, now add he has a NFL year of experience to that. Also you got to choose him and bring him to your team after watching him compete in the NFL. You didn't hope that 1 out of 6 fell to you and you had to make due.
Nobody is perfect in projecting college QBs entering the NFL. Howell may be better than some of the top-5 but highly doubtful he’s better than all of them. The Commanders had him for a year and brought in Mariota to replace him as the backup to whichever one of these college QBs they are drafting. Think about that before you bet all your chips on Howell.Clearly, they think Howell is as good, if not better than those guys that you mentioned. At least John does. He compared him to those guys specifically when he was asked about Howell.
I don’t necessarily believe people think these things Bear…it’s just what’s materialized and is evident of the way this organization has moved.Hoping is not going to work. If you want McCarthy, the Vikings will trade up to #11. Jump ahead of them to #9.
Most people here seem to think….
A) Howell is the answer, or
B) Try to get lucky with a late round pick.
If Nix, Penix or Daniels went in the draft 2 years ago instead of transferring, they all would have been 5th round or lower picks. And Howell is younger than all 3. If he went to the portal instead of the NFL, and threw for 4000 yds, he would be a 1-2 round pick this year. Fwiw he’s also the same size as WilliamsHe would still be a 5th round pick again most likely. Slow, small hands, etc. He's a backup. We still need to take a chance on a qbotf. There will never be a "good" time. There will always be other needs. Always. I'm tired of talking about it. Nothing ever changes. Three years from now we will probably still be having this discussion.
They brought in Mariota to mentor someone and not have a controversy, new owner and coach and QB. If you look at his draft profile and what happened he was projected to in some Mocks to be the 1st pick before his Junior year, scouts attest to losing many players and the Offensive line looking like swiss cheese, he was still respectable but not able to put up the Gaddy Numbers from before, yes he has a few flaws to be worked on, he is super competitive, a good leader, tough and smart, decision making needs to speed up but he has a quick release, they stated his footwork was some of the best they seen at one point, so he has the tools. Unlearning some bad habits and learning some better decision making and he could be the QBOTF.Nobody is perfect in projecting college QBs entering the NFL. Howell may be better than some of the top-5 but highly doubtful he’s better than all of them. The Commanders had him for a year and brought in Mariota to replace him as the backup to whichever one of these college QBs they are drafting. Think about that before you bet all your chips on Howell.
I think they are on the Howell train. We will know next month.I don’t necessarily believe people think these things Bear…it’s just what’s materialized and is evident of the way this organization has moved.
When you see specific moves happening, such as trading picks for Howell, it indicates that JS and MM are comfortable going that direction.
I’d love to see a QB picked from this class as I think a few of them may be special. Better than Howell? The FO doesn’t think so.
At least, this is how things ‘feel’.
i know that’s the narrative. I guess we’re going to see how it goes. I think Howell’s ceiling is “good quality backup.” IMO Seahawks should trade up and draft a QB. But I agree it won’t happen.They brought in Mariota to mentor someone and not have a controversy, new owner and coach and QB. If you look at his draft profile and what happened he was projected to in some Mocks to be the 1st pick before his Junior year, scouts attest to losing many players and the Offensive line looking like swiss cheese, he was still respectable but not able to put up the Gaddy Numbers from before, yes he has a few flaws to be worked on, he is super competitive, a good leader, tough and smart, decision making needs to speed up but he has a quick release, they stated his footwork was some of the best they seen at one point, so he has the tools. Unlearning some bad habits and learning some better decision making and he could be the QBOTF.
I didn't give an opinion on him, one way or another. But this move, signals as much. If they didn't believe in him, then they wouldn't have brought him in.Nobody is perfect in projecting college QBs entering the NFL. Howell may be better than some of the top-5 but highly doubtful he’s better than all of them. The Commanders had him for a year and brought in Mariota to replace him as the backup to whichever one of these college QBs they are drafting. Think about that before you bet all your chips on Howell.
Yeeeeah I think I'd take the deal there. Not even gonna look at the charts on it personally, feels like a little too much from Carolina's end but I'd take it regardless.What if, Seattle was to trade out of the first round ?
Seattle trades first round #16 and pick #179 to Carolina for picks #33 and pick # 39 both high second round selections.
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Amarius MimsQBs,QBs,QBs You guys are having a very good conversation here. But lets assume that all the worthy QBs are long gone at pick 16.
Maybe though deduction we can figure out who we may select.
1. Laiatu Latu : If we ask ourselves who are we trying to replace ? Nwosu or Mafe ?
Along with his neck injury, I think we could cross him off our list.
2. Newton or Murphy : Both good DT, but they just don't fit with what we need.
3. OL John said, guards are over rated, assuming OL is out in round 1. Besides defense is where we need the most improvement.
Our focus has narrowed sum. But lets continue this thought process and decuss this some more.
Of course a Bear fan would like Nix? He is maybe the 6th best prospect this year. JJ's intangibles crush what old man Nix has to offer.Yeah, that’s probably right, but are you comfortable with that? That is another way of asking whether you’d like the Seahawks spending the next 2-3 years testing whether Howell is the QB1? Personally, I like Bo Nix better than McCarthy or Penix, but, in any case, do think this is the draft to get a QB.
I’d be happy with either of them in a trade up with Bears. I would not be surprised if Nix goes to the Broncos at #12.Of course a Bear fan would like Nix? He is maybe the 6th best prospect this year. JJ's intangibles crush what old man Nix has to offer.