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Power rankings
Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:33 am
  • I don't really care about power rankings but the MMQB one made me laugh
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Re: Power rankings
Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:02 am
  • I saw one of the main ones had us at #1 and then another had us at #7, and behind the Rams at that. Weird to see such a disparity.

    I’d probably have us third atm, but I think there’s a good argument for any spot in the top 5.
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Re: Power rankings
Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:19 am
  • Power Polls are the weekly Wet T-Shirt contest for the NFL. Fun for a moment with no real substance.
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Re: Power rankings
Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:31 am
  • Palpitation wrote:Power Polls are the weekly Wet T-Shirt contest for the NFL. Fun for a moment with no real substance.

    I get more aroused seeing us like 20 spots above the Niners than I do for any wet t-shirt contest.
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Re: Power rankings
Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:49 am
  • If the Rams keep up their first quarter of the season results that guy will get my coach of the award. It's a wet t-shirt.
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Re: Power rankings
Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:04 am
  • I don't see how anyone could look at this team and think 'Top 5'.

    I know, Parcells said 'You are what your record says you are'. But as we play better teams, or more accurately teams that can exploit our godawful defense more effectively - we are probably going to clearly be a step behind them.

    It probably does not matter though.

    What matters is not being better but getting good matchups in the playoffs.

    And, as long as Carroll does not screw us again by handcuffing Wilson, we always have a chance to win any game when we can use Wilson for 4 quarters.

    All we can hope for is a playoff opportunity and an unfettered Wilson. It looks like we might get that this year. Which translates into a possible win.

    We have seen other teams get fortunate schedules and fortunate matchups that take them almost to the SB. You can argue the Panther got to the SB one year because of this. No reason we cannot at least expect a reasonable showing in the playoffs this year.

    Which is all a team with this defense should really expect anyway.
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Re: Power rankings
Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:18 am
  • Rat wrote:
    Palpitation wrote:Power Polls are the weekly Wet T-Shirt contest for the NFL. Fun for a moment with no real substance.

    I get more aroused seeing us like 20 spots above the Niners than I do for any wet t-shirt contest.

    +1
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Re: Power rankings
Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:49 am
  • TwistedHusky wrote:I know, Parcells said 'You are what your record says you are'. But as we play better teams, or more accurately teams that can exploit our godawful defense more effectively - we are probably going to clearly be a step behind them.


    Ummm. News release, every team is effectively exploiting our defense. They can't get much worse can they?

    The teams that will give us trouble will be the ones that can defend Wilson effectively.

    Vikings did that and almost won. Other teams will now draw on that experience and hopefully we will gameplan better for cover 2.

    Back to the power rankings: I get a kick out of every football analytics geek saying we can't "sustain" these one score victories when it's quite obvious Pete builds his teams to precisely do just that. Seahawks have been great finishers during his whole tenure. It's ingrained into the psyche of these players and Wilson in particular.

    I certainly see us as a top 5 team right now purely because we have a top 3 offense and top 3 special teams. That makes up for a bottom 10 defense.
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Re: Power rankings
Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:15 am
  • TwistedHusky wrote:I don't see how anyone could look at this team and think 'Top 5'.

    I know, Parcells said 'You are what your record says you are'. But as we play better teams, or more accurately teams that can exploit our godawful defense more effectively - we are probably going to clearly be a step behind them.

    It probably does not matter though.

    What matters is not being better but getting good matchups in the playoffs.

    And, as long as Carroll does not screw us again by handcuffing Wilson, we always have a chance to win any game when we can use Wilson for 4 quarters.

    All we can hope for is a playoff opportunity and an unfettered Wilson. It looks like we might get that this year. Which translates into a possible win.

    We have seen other teams get fortunate schedules and fortunate matchups that take them almost to the SB. You can argue the Panther got to the SB one year because of this. No reason we cannot at least expect a reasonable showing in the playoffs this year.

    Which is all a team with this defense should really expect anyway.


    Falcons, Cowboys, Panthers, Vikings offenses are pretty good, maybe better than that. Dolphins just hung 40 plus on the 9ers.

    I think we undervalue the Hawks opponents. Hell, the vikings are 3-5 plays from being 4-1.

    There is this fear about the upcoming schedule. I'm not sold the Rams, Cardinals, 9ers, Bills are all that much better than the first 5 games. Maybe the Falcons are that bad.
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Re: Power rankings
Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:44 am
  • I'm surprised we are ranked as high as we are in some of these. Zero Balance on this team. Currently on pace to be the worst defense statistically ever. Getting ran on with ease last week was an eye opener. Just bad everwhere.
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Re: Power rankings
Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:46 am
  • Uncle Si wrote:Falcons, Cowboys, Panthers, Vikings offenses are pretty good, maybe better than that. Dolphins just hung 40 plus on the 9ers.

    I think we undervalue the Hawks opponents. Hell, the vikings are 3-5 plays from being 4-1.

    There is this fear about the upcoming schedule. I'm not sold the Rams, Cardinals, 9ers, Bills are all that much better than the first 5 games. Maybe the Falcons are that bad.


    I think there is a lot of merit to your post. We have played offenses that know how to punch. With that said, there are several opportunities to improve the D. When healthy, I think the players we have can coalesce into a much better unit than they have shown. Whether they will is still to be seen.

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Re: Power rankings
Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:55 am
  • Si,

    It takes a special kind of terrible to be the worst in history. While we might be going up against better offenses than we think...likely not the best offenses in history.

    Yes, this year defenses are behind. But even then, we are the worst of that.

    However, not in scoring. We happily let teams walk to the RZ and then either toughen up or wait for the other team to make mistakes. Will better teams make those mistakes though?

    To those saying it cannot get worse, letting those FGs turn into TDs makes it worse.

    It would be one thing if this team had no talent on defense. But we have above average players and even playmakers sprinkled through this roster. Even with the injuries the number of punts we force is abysmally low.

    If you are objective, you cannot rank a team with this bad a defense and this poor a DC, very high. You might be right about the upcoming competition but I will just be thankful to split with the Rams at this point. Not sure we have an answer for them and this defense looks tailor-made to let Goff seem better than he is.

    If we can beat the Bills and Cards, it will go a long way in showing this team MIGHT be able to overcome this putrid defense. But Rodgers or Brady will murder us in the playoffs if we do not fix this.

    And in the playoffs, against more evenly matched teams, will our inability to protect a lead be our downfall?
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Re: Power rankings
Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:06 am
  • TwistedHusky wrote:Si,

    It takes a special kind of terrible to be the worst in history. While we might be going up against better offenses than we think...likely not the best offenses in history.

    Yes, this year defenses are behind. But even then, we are the worst of that.

    However, not in scoring. We happily let teams walk to the RZ and then either toughen up or wait for the other team to make mistakes. Will better teams make those mistakes though?

    To those saying it cannot get worse, letting those FGs turn into TDs makes it worse.

    It would be one thing if this team had no talent on defense. But we have above average players and even playmakers sprinkled through this roster. Even with the injuries the number of punts we force is abysmally low.

    If you are objective, you cannot rank a team with this bad a defense and this poor a DC, very high. You might be right about the upcoming competition but I will just be thankful to split with the Rams at this point. Not sure we have an answer for them and this defense looks tailor-made to let Goff seem better than he is.

    If we can beat the Bills and Cards, it will go a long way in showing this team MIGHT be able to overcome this putrid defense. But Rodgers or Brady will murder us in the playoffs if we do not fix this.

    And in the playoffs, against more evenly matched teams, will our inability to protect a lead be our downfall?


    I don't disagree.. im just saying that our next 5 opponents may not be all that much better than our first 5.
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Re: Power rankings
Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:21 am
  • TwistedHusky wrote:If you are objective, you cannot rank a team with this bad a defense and this poor a DC, very high.


    And yet, I can't find a single Power Ranking anywhere on the internet that doesn't have us in at least the top ten, and most have us in the top five.

    So is the explanation that there isn't a single Power Ranking on the entire internet that is objective? Every single one is biased towards the Seahawks?
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Re: Power rankings
Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:30 am
  • We are absolutely Top Ten. Our offense, by the #s, is one of the best ever.

    But Top 5 is stretching it.

    If this defense improves? Sure.


    EDIT:

    Chapow,

    I see your point. It says 'very high'. I meant 'this high'. As in Top Five. I've even seen us listed at #1 which is insane.

    But the offense is good enough to make us a Top Ten team.

    So you were correct in disputing what I said, I just typed it wrong.
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Re: Power rankings
Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:18 pm
  • Power rankings are (typically supposed to be) how teams are performing right now.

    Not analyzing luck
    Not predicting what will happen when "better" teams come up on the schedule
    Not picking apart the defense and wondering how they are winning in spite of it and then mentally penalizing said team by a spot or 6

    Just this: How is the team performing. Right. Now.

    Think the other top 5-10 teams don't have flaws? Cmon.

    Hawks are undefeated. They deserve to be right next to the other undefeated teams until they aren't.

    Simple as that.
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Re: Power rankings
Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:07 pm
  • Anyone not thinking they are a top 5 team is choosing to doom and gloom their way thru the season. Every possible chance we get, let's downplay wins. It never ends...…...
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Re: Power rankings
Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:28 pm
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Anyone not thinking they are a top 5 team is choosing to doom and gloom their way thru the season. Every possible chance we get, let's downplay wins. It never ends...…...


    Is that a statement for the players of the team or the fans of the team? Our players believe they can beat anyone...thankfully. Our fans opinion of being a top 5 team has no bearing on our players opinion...thankfully.
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Re: Power rankings
Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:50 pm
  • TwistedHusky wrote:We are absolutely Top Ten. Our offense, by the #s, is one of the best ever.

    But Top 5 is stretching it.

    If this defense improves? Sure.


    EDIT:

    Chapow,

    I see your point. It says 'very high'. I meant 'this high'. As in Top Five. I've even seen us listed at #1 which is insane.

    But the offense is good enough to make us a Top Ten team.

    So you were correct in disputing what I said, I just typed it wrong.


    There are 4 teams in the league right now that are undefeated. The Steelers, Titans, Packers, and us. However, only one of those teams has played 5 games, just us. The other 3 have only played 4 games. We are the only 5-0 team in the league right now, the other 3 undefeated teams are 4-0. Every other team in the league has at least 1 loss.

    While you might disagree with having us listed at #1 (and I might too), it's hardly insane. Results matter. Results matter a lot. I'd even go as far as saying results matter more than anything else.
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Re: Power rankings
Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:56 pm
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Anyone not thinking they are a top 5 team is choosing to doom and gloom their way thru the season. Every possible chance we get, let's downplay wins. It never ends...…...



    Are we playing the Super Bowl next week ?

    Since so many fans can see it you know other teams can, we have weaknesses, good team will exploit them.

    5 and 0 is nice, just like seeing a bunch of swimsuit models is, but we have a long way to go and I want a show of strength from this team not more questions going from week to week.

    As the old story goes, not how you start but how you finish, we have started hotter ten any season before under Pete, staying hungry and improving especially on defense is how we keep going.

    Sometime people take objective as negative, it isn't.
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Re: Power rankings
Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:21 pm
  • If our weakness is our defense, teams are already exploiting it.

    The fact that we're occasionally forcing field goals or getting a fair number of turnovers means our defense isn't as bad as everyone is crying about (based on YPG). Can it get worse? Maybe a bit, but that's unlikely. If we're already setting records in yards or points given up, we'll advance to the mean most likely as the season rolls along, just like our offense from the first 3 weeks is likely to, and may already be, regress(ing) toward the mean.
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Re: Power rankings
Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:28 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:Anyone not thinking they are a top 5 team is choosing to doom and gloom their way thru the season. Every possible chance we get, let's downplay wins. It never ends...…...



    Are we playing the Super Bowl next week ?

    Since so many fans can see it you know other teams can, we have weaknesses, good team will exploit them.

    5 and 0 is nice, just like seeing a bunch of swimsuit models is, but we have a long way to go and I want a show of strength from this team not more questions going from week to week.

    As the old story goes, not how you start but how you finish, we have started hotter ten any season before under Pete, staying hungry and improving especially on defense is how we keep going.

    Sometime people take objective as negative, it isn't.



    What team doesn't have weaknesses that can be exploited? I can't think of any, at least not this year.

    Nice problem to have, weaknesses but still sitting at 5-0. Means we have the ability to overcome them. Thats what separates the good teams from the great.
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Re: Power rankings
Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:56 pm
  • Now, some may think I'm whining. Well I am. It's SB or bust. 5-0 is 5-0. But there's zero reason to be barely beating teams like NE & Minnesota. Those are not elite level teams. I'm looking at the big picture. And the big picture is better teams will be able to get to Wilson. There's going to be games he's not Superman. Then what? Will this defense carry the offense? Doesn't look like it.

    So I can see why we aren't near the top of the power rankings. It's frustrating to consistently put out patchwork defenses. And it's unsustainable in the long run. As we've learned many times.
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Re: Power rankings
Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:58 pm
  • "The teams that will give us trouble will be the ones that can defend Wilson effectively."

    The best defense against Russ is to keep him on the bench. The Titans looked very capable of that. I know they aren't NFC, but you got to get past them to win it all. They pretty much manhandled Buffalo last night, after having only one practice in the last 2 1/2 weeks!
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Re: Power rankings
Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:01 pm
  • Maybe the Covid bye was good for the Titans.
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Re: Power rankings
Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:21 pm
  • Never mind. I just think people get way too worked up about power rankings. Just like I think way too many people act like this team isn't even top 10. They not only are top 5, but they are not even close to how good they can be. I will never understand the fascination with caring so much how a team WINS a game. They are 5-0, who gives a crap how it looks??? We all have our opinions, and they have no impact on the games.
    And that's not just homer stuff, they have a LOT of work to do on the defense. But with the guys coming back after the bye, this team should and likely will improve on defense. Every team in the NFL has weaknesses, including the Chiefs, Packers, Steelers, Ravens, Bills etc.
    Translation, I don't think they are the best team in football. They have plenty of work to do. But to be sitting at 5-0 going in to the bye??? Yes please...…...
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Re: Power rankings
Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:49 pm
  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Never mind. I just think people get way too worked up about power rankings. Just like I think way too many people act like this team isn't even top 10. They not only are top 5, but they are not even close to how good they can be. I will never understand the fascination with caring so much how a team WINS a game. They are 5-0, who gives a crap how it looks??? We all have our opinions, and they have no impact on the games.
    And that's not just homer stuff, they have a LOT of work to do on the defense. But with the guys coming back after the bye, this team should and likely will improve on defense. Every team in the NFL has weaknesses, including the Chiefs, Packers, Steelers, Ravens, Bills etc.
    Translation, I don't think they are the best team in football. They have plenty of work to do. But to be sitting at 5-0 going in to the bye??? Yes please...…...


    Thing is, we've seen this song and dance once too many times. Russ balls out during the regular season. We usually beat a mediocre team in the WC round. Then, we end up facing an elite level team on the road. Pete handcuffs Russell until it's too little too late. And usually our defense crumbles against said superior competition.

    Fans , including myself, have very high standards for this franchise. And to not even get back to an NFC title game after 2014 is a failure.
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Re: Power rankings
Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:36 am
  • I hear you, anything less than NFC Championship is a disappointment imo. But, I choose to enjoy the winning over worrying about what could happen. They're going to lose some games, every team is. But spending all the time assuming the worst? Just not my thing. People can fan however they want.
    I am probably exaggerating with my previous comment. People can think they are not top 5 if they want. It's just my own opinion that they are top 5.
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Re: Power rankings
Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:14 am
  • We are the number one team period, but until our defense shuts someone down instead of playing close games...we will be ranked back instead of up. I see what this team can do and so do alot of you. Once we start shutting down offenses with punishing defense people will notice. We have a top 3 team. We just need the defense to play with max effort consistently. The talent is there, but the skill toward their scheme is meh. Im telling you...once our defense clicks...its over for the league. I called bowl before the season. I still see it.
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