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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:27 am
  • RiverDog wrote:
    fenderbender123 wrote:Read the last sentence. Ethics are ethics. I'm not talking about whether a server is private or whether or not somebody has the legal right to share an email. I am talking about being ethical which has nothing to do with the law.

    For example, let's say my girlfriend writes me a letter and mails it to me. I have the right to open that letter, take a picture of it, and post it on Reddit. But would I do that? Hell no. Even if it was the most offensive letter in the world, me posting it online to try and embarrass and ruin her life would be an absolutely piece of $h!t move by me. I'm not a piece of $h!t, so I wouldn't do it. I was taught better than that.


    OK, fair enough. The person that leaked the email was unethical. So were the reporters that broke the Watergate story. It's standard operating procedure in the news business. They're all a bunch of sleaze balls.

    Besides, it has nothing to do with the point I was trying to make: That emails sent to or received on a company domain are the property of that company. It doesn't matter if they were written under the assumption that they would only be read by the recipient.



    I don't agree with what Gruden said in his emails... That being said, why is it he doesn't have the right to his opinion?


    I think this is setting a dangerous precedent.. the emails were not meant for public disclosure whether or not the emails were on public domain or not... Grudens emails were from his private email so he might have thought they were private... Maybe there is a whole story behind Grudens comments that were not discussed in the email. We don't know its one piece...

    the bigger picture here is why can't people think what they want to think? Its appropriate to educate people into understanding why different ideologies might be destructive but is it appropriate to control what people think through a societal opinion of what's appropriate?

    Since when are people not allowed to speak what they feel is true no matter if society thinks it right or not?

    Look what happened to Collin Kaepernick? So its not ok to take a knee in protest over racism because if you do that you are black listed in the NFL but If you write an email years ago that is considered racism you get canned for that too? (yeah he didn't persay get canned but thats why he quit because that's where it would have gone after the media drug Gruden through the mud) Who are we catering to? It's not like the NFL is apologizing to CK .. nobody will touch this guy with a 50 ft pole...

    The whole thing IMO is not very well thought out.. it's really reactionary in nature.. I think what's happening is bring up questions on the definition of "free speech" regardless if the NFL is a private company or not its still bring the question... What kind of free speech is appropriate to our society and when?


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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:40 pm
  • You are 100% free to say anything you want others to hear. If you have enough conviction in your thoughts to make them known to everyone then have the same conviction in owning those words and the consequences that may come with them.
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:01 pm
  • Flyingsquad23 wrote:You are 100% free to say anything you want others to hear. If you have enough conviction in your thoughts to make them known to everyone then have the same conviction in owning those words and the consequences that may come with them.



    Is that what Gruden did? and I'm not standing up for what he said. Gruden did not make his comments public. Those words were not meant for public...

    So your saying I'm wrong, that it doesn't raise a question as to what kind of free speech is appropriate to our society and when?

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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:34 pm
  • What kind of consequences are appropriate? Is it appropriate to get publicly ridiculed? Is it appropriate to lose your job ? is it appropriate to get beat up? is it appropriate to get dragged out to the tallest tree and hung?

    Edit: Should consequences be based upon public perception?

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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:44 pm
  • LTH wrote:
    Flyingsquad23 wrote:You are 100% free to say anything you want others to hear. If you have enough conviction in your thoughts to make them known to everyone then have the same conviction in owning those words and the consequences that may come with them.



    Is that what Gruden did? and I'm not standing up for what he said. Gruden did not make his comments public. Those words were not meant for public...

    So your saying I'm wrong, that it doesn't raise a question as to what kind of free speech is appropriate to our society and when?

    LTH


    I don’t make the rules or speak for all of our society. Are you not aware that email and or Internet communication is not nor ever been private?
    In our society this type of guilt isn’t determined by who outed the offender or if that outing was ethical. It’s determined by an individuals actions or words. The court of public opinion vs. court of law…

    And I didn’t make any claim as to you being wrong or right. That post was a direct answer to a question you asked.
    Society can be quite fickle, acceptable dialogue has changed many times. So I would say that it is the responsibility of the individual to understand what the current climate is and understand that what they say may come with consequences.
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:47 pm
  • hgwellz12 wrote:
    Stud wrote:
    cymatica wrote:
    hgwellz12 wrote:

    Stop.


    No, it's a valid point. You can make fun at one persons looks but not someone else's strictly because they have different pigmentation in their skin. It's the definition of hypocrisy


    Yup, this is correct. But you're on a website where a lot of posters spill their soy over their keyboards over the smallest offense, so it's normal.



    You're both full of $h!t, but it's absolutely your right to be full of $h!t so I ain't about to sit here going back and forth with you. Besides, nothing either one of us has to say here is gonna get Chucky his job back. Enjoy your sloppy joe sandwich. :2thumbs:


    Of course you don't want to actually use facts and logic, or even make an actual point. Just tell someone they are full of it and run away covering your ears. Pathetic
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:49 pm
  • Flyingsquad23 wrote:You are 100% free to say anything you want others to hear. If you have enough conviction in your thoughts to make them known to everyone then have the same conviction in owning those words and the consequences that may come with them.


    Put your money where your mouth is and post your text history so we can make sure you haven't offended anyone
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:56 pm
  • LTH wrote:What kind of consequences are appropriate? Is it appropriate to get publicly ridiculed? Is it appropriate to lose your job ? is it appropriate to get beat up? is it appropriate to get dragged out to the tallest tree and hung?

    Edit: Should consequences be based upon public perception?

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    Just as every individual has the right to say whatever they want the same goes to how they judge another person. This isn’t a court of law situation. You can see examples in this thread. Some ridicule those that are offended, some think he should keep his job, others don’t care what happens to Gruden and feel he is reaping what he sowed. The only judgment that matters really is that of the owner that ultimately forced him out.

    We are the “Society” and we are all judged by the public with the only defense being the persona we display to the public.
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:05 pm
  • cymatica wrote:
    Flyingsquad23 wrote:You are 100% free to say anything you want others to hear. If you have enough conviction in your thoughts to make them known to everyone then have the same conviction in owning those words and the consequences that may come with them.


    Put your money where your mouth is and post your text history so we can make sure you haven't offended anyone


    Nothing I have posted would suggest that I think that I’m immune to the consequences of my words. To that fact I have never claimed to have never said anything offensive in my life. And to be honest I have had to be accountable for things I’ve said. Have you…
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:29 pm
  • Flyingsquad23 wrote:
    LTH wrote:
    Flyingsquad23 wrote:You are 100% free to say anything you want others to hear. If you have enough conviction in your thoughts to make them known to everyone then have the same conviction in owning those words and the consequences that may come with them.



    Is that what Gruden did? and I'm not standing up for what he said. Gruden did not make his comments public. Those words were not meant for public...

    So your saying I'm wrong, that it doesn't raise a question as to what kind of free speech is appropriate to our society and when?

    LTH


    I don’t make the rules or speak for all of our society. Are you not aware that email and or Internet communication is not nor ever been private?
    In our society this type of guilt isn’t determined by who outed the offender or if that outing was ethical. It’s determined by an individuals actions or words. The court of public opinion vs. court of law…

    And I didn’t make any claim as to you being wrong or right. That post was a direct answer to a question you asked.
    Society can be quite fickle, acceptable dialogue has changed many times. So I would say that it is the responsibility of the individual to understand what the current climate is and understand that what they say may come with consequences.



    I think you bring up a good point whether I knew if Email was private. I guess I assumed that it is supposed to be private being all the privacy settings and security on email... But then again when I searched for a lawn mower seat on google then went to my email and there is lawn mower seat ads on my email... ok... :34853_doh:

    That clearly makes every person who has email venerable potentially to what Gruden is going through even though Gruden wasn't hacked there are a lot of gray area's in that subject.

    You are right in the assertion that it is the responsibility of the individual to understand what the current climate is and understand that what they say may come with consequences.

    I'm SURE that Gruden did not know his email wasn't private...

    I think we are entering a time when the question of what free speech is, being redefined from what most think it is as to what it is becoming and IMO there are being some dangerous precedents being set especially in social media...


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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:32 pm
  • cymatica wrote:
    hgwellz12 wrote:
    Stud wrote:
    cymatica wrote:
    No, it's a valid point. You can make fun at one persons looks but not someone else's strictly because they have different pigmentation in their skin. It's the definition of hypocrisy


    Yup, this is correct. But you're on a website where a lot of posters spill their soy over their keyboards over the smallest offense, so it's normal.



    You're both full of $h!t, but it's absolutely your right to be full of $h!t so I ain't about to sit here going back and forth with you. Besides, nothing either one of us has to say here is gonna get Chucky his job back. Enjoy your sloppy joe sandwich. :2thumbs:


    Of course you don't want to actually use facts and logic, or even make an actual point. Just tell someone they are full of it and run away covering your ears. Pathetic


    You two are attempting to equate longstanding racial tropes with lighthearted joking about someone looking like a movie character. You're full of $h!t and there's no 2 ways about it, no matter how much you wish there is. Furthermore, Jon Gruden fully embraced and leaned into the "Chucky" joke. Personally, I wouldn't get upset by someone jokingly saying that I have big lips. I DO have big lips. It's one of the many features of being of African descent. And, frankly, the only people who's opinion even matters in regards to my African features, is the female population. And I have always been good in that regard.

    But Gruden's INTENT when making the comment about Smith's lips + his other bigoted comments was clearly enough for Raiders top brass to make the business decision of "letting him resign". Wrong, right or otherwise, they are the ones that all of you Captain Save A Chucky mfers need to puff your chest out to. Not me. We got our own clown ass coach to be concerned with. Now, politely ease up off my tip, Junior.
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:35 pm
  • LTH wrote:
    Flyingsquad23 wrote:
    LTH wrote:
    Flyingsquad23 wrote:You are 100% free to say anything you want others to hear. If you have enough conviction in your thoughts to make them known to everyone then have the same conviction in owning those words and the consequences that may come with them.



    Is that what Gruden did? and I'm not standing up for what he said. Gruden did not make his comments public. Those words were not meant for public...

    So your saying I'm wrong, that it doesn't raise a question as to what kind of free speech is appropriate to our society and when?

    LTH


    I don’t make the rules or speak for all of our society. Are you not aware that email and or Internet communication is not nor ever been private?
    In our society this type of guilt isn’t determined by who outed the offender or if that outing was ethical. It’s determined by an individuals actions or words. The court of public opinion vs. court of law…

    And I didn’t make any claim as to you being wrong or right. That post was a direct answer to a question you asked.
    Society can be quite fickle, acceptable dialogue has changed many times. So I would say that it is the responsibility of the individual to understand what the current climate is and understand that what they say may come with consequences.



    I think you bring up a good point whether I knew if Email was private. I guess I assumed that it is supposed to be private being all the privacy settings and security on email... But then again when I searched for a lawn mower seat on google then went to my email and there is lawn mower seat ads on my email... ok... :34853_doh:

    That clearly makes every person who has email venerable potentially to what Gruden is going through even though Gruden wasn't hacked there are a lot of gray area's in that subject.

    You are right in the assertion that it is the responsibility of the individual to understand what the current climate is and understand that what they say may come with consequences.

    I'm SURE that Gruden did not know his email wasn't private...

    I think we are entering a time when the question of what free speech is, being redefined from what most think it is as to what it is becoming and IMO there are being some dangerous precedents being set especially in social media...


    LTH



    At it's most basic level, what do you guys think "FREE SPEECH"/ The 1st Amendment protected you from?
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:39 pm
  • hgwellz12 wrote:
    LTH wrote:
    Flyingsquad23 wrote:
    LTH wrote:

    Is that what Gruden did? and I'm not standing up for what he said. Gruden did not make his comments public. Those words were not meant for public...

    So your saying I'm wrong, that it doesn't raise a question as to what kind of free speech is appropriate to our society and when?

    LTH


    I don’t make the rules or speak for all of our society. Are you not aware that email and or Internet communication is not nor ever been private?
    In our society this type of guilt isn’t determined by who outed the offender or if that outing was ethical. It’s determined by an individuals actions or words. The court of public opinion vs. court of law…

    And I didn’t make any claim as to you being wrong or right. That post was a direct answer to a question you asked.
    Society can be quite fickle, acceptable dialogue has changed many times. So I would say that it is the responsibility of the individual to understand what the current climate is and understand that what they say may come with consequences.



    I think you bring up a good point whether I knew if Email was private. I guess I assumed that it is supposed to be private being all the privacy settings and security on email... But then again when I searched for a lawn mower seat on google then went to my email and there is lawn mower seat ads on my email... ok... :34853_doh:

    That clearly makes every person who has email venerable potentially to what Gruden is going through even though Gruden wasn't hacked there are a lot of gray area's in that subject.

    You are right in the assertion that it is the responsibility of the individual to understand what the current climate is and understand that what they say may come with consequences.

    I'm SURE that Gruden did not know his email wasn't private...

    I think we are entering a time when the question of what free speech is, being redefined from what most think it is as to what it is becoming and IMO there are being some dangerous precedents being set especially in social media...


    LTH



    At it's most basic level, what do you guys think "FREE SPEECH"/ The 1st Amendment protected you from?



    I'm not sure anymore... I think its being redefined in several different ways...


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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:51 pm
  • LTH wrote:
    hgwellz12 wrote:
    LTH wrote:
    Flyingsquad23 wrote:
    I don’t make the rules or speak for all of our society. Are you not aware that email and or Internet communication is not nor ever been private?
    In our society this type of guilt isn’t determined by who outed the offender or if that outing was ethical. It’s determined by an individuals actions or words. The court of public opinion vs. court of law…

    And I didn’t make any claim as to you being wrong or right. That post was a direct answer to a question you asked.
    Society can be quite fickle, acceptable dialogue has changed many times. So I would say that it is the responsibility of the individual to understand what the current climate is and understand that what they say may come with consequences.



    I think you bring up a good point whether I knew if Email was private. I guess I assumed that it is supposed to be private being all the privacy settings and security on email... But then again when I searched for a lawn mower seat on google then went to my email and there is lawn mower seat ads on my email... ok... :34853_doh:

    That clearly makes every person who has email venerable potentially to what Gruden is going through even though Gruden wasn't hacked there are a lot of gray area's in that subject.

    You are right in the assertion that it is the responsibility of the individual to understand what the current climate is and understand that what they say may come with consequences.

    I'm SURE that Gruden did not know his email wasn't private...

    I think we are entering a time when the question of what free speech is, being redefined from what most think it is as to what it is becoming and IMO there are being some dangerous precedents being set especially in social media...


    LTH



    At it's most basic level, what do you guys think "FREE SPEECH"/ The 1st Amendment protected you from?



    I'm not sure anymore... I think its being redefined in several different ways...


    LTH


    I thought it was obvious but I guess I overestimated.

    What DID you think it protected you from?
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:56 pm
  • hgwellz12 wrote:
    LTH wrote:
    hgwellz12 wrote:
    LTH wrote:

    I think you bring up a good point whether I knew if Email was private. I guess I assumed that it is supposed to be private being all the privacy settings and security on email... But then again when I searched for a lawn mower seat on google then went to my email and there is lawn mower seat ads on my email... ok... :34853_doh:

    That clearly makes every person who has email venerable potentially to what Gruden is going through even though Gruden wasn't hacked there are a lot of gray area's in that subject.

    You are right in the assertion that it is the responsibility of the individual to understand what the current climate is and understand that what they say may come with consequences.

    I'm SURE that Gruden did not know his email wasn't private...

    I think we are entering a time when the question of what free speech is, being redefined from what most think it is as to what it is becoming and IMO there are being some dangerous precedents being set especially in social media...


    LTH



    At it's most basic level, what do you guys think "FREE SPEECH"/ The 1st Amendment protected you from?



    I'm not sure anymore... I think its being redefined in several different ways...


    LTH


    I thought it was obvious but I guess I overestimated.

    What DID you think it protected you from?


    I have to think about that,,,But go ahead and make your point


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Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:59 pm
  • Not defending Gruden, not condoning his words. Won’t get into it.

    However, the cancel culture we are currently living in is 100% sickening to me.

    For instance, last time my daughter and son in law were at my house, SIL slapped my ass and said “good game”, it was Tom foolery 100%.
    I called him a f**.
    This is something that I would never say out of hate or malice to a hom******* but taken out of context I could/would get blasted and possibly “canceled” if I were in a position of power and it got leaked.

    Today’s culture is absolutely ridiculous IMHO.
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:09 pm
  • hgwellz12 wrote:
    LTH wrote:
    hgwellz12 wrote:
    LTH wrote:

    I think you bring up a good point whether I knew if Email was private. I guess I assumed that it is supposed to be private being all the privacy settings and security on email... But then again when I searched for a lawn mower seat on google then went to my email and there is lawn mower seat ads on my email... ok... :34853_doh:

    That clearly makes every person who has email venerable potentially to what Gruden is going through even though Gruden wasn't hacked there are a lot of gray area's in that subject.

    You are right in the assertion that it is the responsibility of the individual to understand what the current climate is and understand that what they say may come with consequences.

    I'm SURE that Gruden did not know his email wasn't private...

    I think we are entering a time when the question of what free speech is, being redefined from what most think it is as to what it is becoming and IMO there are being some dangerous precedents being set especially in social media...


    LTH



    At it's most basic level, what do you guys think "FREE SPEECH"/ The 1st Amendment protected you from?



    I'm not sure anymore... I think its being redefined in several different ways...


    LTH


    I thought it was obvious but I guess I overestimated.

    What DID you think it protected you from?


    You have the right to say what you want, write what you want ,with out being persecuted

    edit: prohibits any law limiting freedom with respect to religion, expression, peaceful assembly, or the right of citizens to petition the government.

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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:17 pm
  • pmedic920 wrote:Not defending Gruden, not condoning his words. Won’t get into it.

    However, the cancel culture we are currently living in is 100% sickening to me.

    For instance, last time my daughter and son in law were at my house, SIL slapped my ass and said “good game”, it was Tom foolery 100%.
    I called him a f**.
    This is something that I would never say out of hate or malice to a hom******* but taken out of context I could/would get blasted and possibly “canceled” if I were in a position of power and it got leaked.

    Today’s culture is absolutely ridiculous IMHO.



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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:28 pm
  • hgwellz12 wrote:
    LTH wrote:
    hgwellz12 wrote:
    LTH wrote:

    I think you bring up a good point whether I knew if Email was private. I guess I assumed that it is supposed to be private being all the privacy settings and security on email... But then again when I searched for a lawn mower seat on google then went to my email and there is lawn mower seat ads on my email... ok... :34853_doh:

    That clearly makes every person who has email venerable potentially to what Gruden is going through even though Gruden wasn't hacked there are a lot of gray area's in that subject.

    You are right in the assertion that it is the responsibility of the individual to understand what the current climate is and understand that what they say may come with consequences.

    I'm SURE that Gruden did not know his email wasn't private...

    I think we are entering a time when the question of what free speech is, being redefined from what most think it is as to what it is becoming and IMO there are being some dangerous precedents being set especially in social media...


    LTH



    At it's most basic level, what do you guys think "FREE SPEECH"/ The 1st Amendment protected you from?



    I'm not sure anymore... I think its being redefined in several different ways...


    LTH


    I thought it was obvious but I guess I overestimated.

    What DID you think it protected you from?



    So what's your point?


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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:37 pm
  • pmedic920 wrote:Not defending Gruden, not condoning his words. Won’t get into it.

    However, the cancel culture we are currently living in is 100% sickening to me.

    For instance, last time my daughter and son in law were at my house, SIL slapped my ass and said “good game”, it was Tom foolery 100%.
    I called him a f**.
    This is something that I would never say out of hate or malice to a hom******* but taken out of context I could/would get blasted and possibly “canceled” if I were in a position of power and it got leaked.

    Today’s culture is absolutely ridiculous IMHO.


    Is it any more ridiculous than a person thinking they (in Grudens case) can insult powerful and influential people and not face repercussions.

    The fact that you feel comfortable in your own home saying things you wouldn’t say to a persons face says to me that you understand that what you are saying is wrong yet you can’t quite stop yourself from being yourself.
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:38 pm
  • Context and intent is what should matter in matters like this.

    Gruden called a g** person “qu***”, right.

    What does lbgtQ stand for?

    Fact is, what Gruden said in those emails was a private conversation, he was not saying anything to hurt anyone, there was no ill intentions.

    The cancel culture is out of control, and it’s only going to get worse.

    Insensitive absolutely, worth getting canceled over?

    Eff that crap, it’s as bad as the dude that got canceled for saying a football is harder to see when a black man in a black jersey is holding it, than when a white/light skinned man is holding it.

    Everyone looking for a reason to be offended.
    It’s absolutely 100% ridiculous.

    Again, not defending Gruden not condoning his choice of words, I’m calling BS on “cancel culture”
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:39 pm
  • LTH wrote:
    hgwellz12 wrote:
    LTH wrote:
    hgwellz12 wrote:

    At it's most basic level, what do you guys think "FREE SPEECH"/ The 1st Amendment protected you from?



    I'm not sure anymore... I think its being redefined in several different ways...


    LTH


    I thought it was obvious but I guess I overestimated.

    What DID you think it protected you from?



    So what's your point?


    LTH



    It depends. How are you a grown ass adult and can't say what you think/thought the 1A means?


    Edit: I just saw your other post. Will respond in the proper thread.
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:45 pm
  • LTH wrote:
    hgwellz12 wrote:
    LTH wrote:
    hgwellz12 wrote:

    At it's most basic level, what do you guys think "FREE SPEECH"/ The 1st Amendment protected you from?



    I'm not sure anymore... I think its being redefined in several different ways...


    LTH


    I thought it was obvious but I guess I overestimated.

    What DID you think it protected you from?


    You have the right to say what you want, write what you want ,with out being persecuted

    edit: prohibits any law limiting freedom with respect to religion, expression, peaceful assembly, or the right of citizens to petition the government.

    LTH



    So with this knowledge firmly in hand, where is the problem, from a legal/constitutional standpoint, with how Chucky is being dealt with?
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:45 pm
  • Flyingsquad23 wrote:
    pmedic920 wrote:Not defending Gruden, not condoning his words. Won’t get into it.

    However, the cancel culture we are currently living in is 100% sickening to me.

    For instance, last time my daughter and son in law were at my house, SIL slapped my ass and said “good game”, it was Tom foolery 100%.
    I called him a f**.
    This is something that I would never say out of hate or malice to a hom******* but taken out of context I could/would get blasted and possibly “canceled” if I were in a position of power and it got leaked.

    Today’s culture is absolutely ridiculous IMHO.


    Is it any more ridiculous than a person thinking they (in Grudens case) can insult powerful and influential people and not face repercussions.

    The fact that you feel comfortable in your own home saying things you wouldn’t say to a persons face says to me that you understand that what you are saying is wrong yet you can’t quite stop yourself from being yourself.



    Interesting... what difference does that make? what he said was meant to be private. Maybe he had a bad day. Maybe he is an a$$hole. Does he not have the right to talk to a friend and vent with out having repercussions? Legit question...


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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:49 pm
  • Flyingsquad23 wrote:
    pmedic920 wrote:Not defending Gruden, not condoning his words. Won’t get into it.

    However, the cancel culture we are currently living in is 100% sickening to me.

    For instance, last time my daughter and son in law were at my house, SIL slapped my ass and said “good game”, it was Tom foolery 100%.
    I called him a f**.
    This is something that I would never say out of hate or malice to a hom******* but taken out of context I could/would get blasted and possibly “canceled” if I were in a position of power and it got leaked.

    Today’s culture is absolutely ridiculous IMHO.


    Is it any more ridiculous than a person thinking they (in Grudens case) can insult powerful and influential people and not face repercussions.

    The fact that you feel comfortable in your own home saying things you wouldn’t say to a persons face says to me that you understand that what you are saying is wrong yet you can’t quite stop yourself from being yourself.
    Are you defending “cancel culture”?

    Gruden called Roger G. a pu$$y.
    Fact is millions of people (nfl fans and employees) think the same exact thing, and many have said so right he on this forum. Gruden said it in a private conversation with no intention of hurting ole Rogers’s feelings.


    Ever seen an ugly baby and told your wife “that was an ugly baby”?
    Maybe not, but if you have I’d bet you’re a good enough human to not say it to the babies mother.

    My stance is “eff cancel culture”, and be willing to take context and intention into account while hunting for witches.
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:55 pm
  • pmedic920 wrote:Context and intent is what should matter in matters like this.

    Gruden called a g** person “qu***”, right.

    What does lbgtQ stand for?

    Fact is, what Gruden said in those emails was a private conversation, he was not saying anything to hurt anyone, there was no ill intentions.

    The cancel culture is out of control, and it’s only going to get worse.

    Insensitive absolutely, worth getting canceled over?

    Eff that crap, it’s as bad as the dude that got canceled for saying a football is harder to see when a black man in a black jersey is holding it, than when a white/light skinned man is holding it.

    Everyone looking for a reason to be offended.
    It’s absolutely 100% ridiculous.

    Again, not defending Gruden not condoning his choice of words, I’m calling BS on “cancel culture”


    Honest questions…have you ever been offended by another persons words or actions in your life? If so, what gave validity to your offense? Have you personally said or done anything to offend that you made amends for? If so, why did you give validation to that person’s feelings?

    Gruden lost a job he was having minimal success with, so what. He will find something else. The man wrote disparaging things about people whom he would never dare address face to face in that way.

    I would absolutely expect a negative impact on my life if I said any of those things about my employer/peer/subordinate, regardless of how they became aware of my feeling.
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:58 pm
  • Here’s a fact.

    There are real criminals playing in the NFL.

    Due to “cancel culture” Gruden was forced to resign over a private conversation where no ill intentions existed.

    Wife beaters, rapists, drunk drivers etc etc.

    Think about it for just one minute.
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:02 pm
  • Flyingsquad23 wrote:
    pmedic920 wrote:Context and intent is what should matter in matters like this.

    Gruden called a g** person “qu***”, right.

    What does lbgtQ stand for?

    Fact is, what Gruden said in those emails was a private conversation, he was not saying anything to hurt anyone, there was no ill intentions.

    The cancel culture is out of control, and it’s only going to get worse.

    Insensitive absolutely, worth getting canceled over?

    Eff that crap, it’s as bad as the dude that got canceled for saying a football is harder to see when a black man in a black jersey is holding it, than when a white/light skinned man is holding it.

    Everyone looking for a reason to be offended.
    It’s absolutely 100% ridiculous.

    Again, not defending Gruden not condoning his choice of words, I’m calling BS on “cancel culture”


    Honest questions…have you ever been offended by another persons words or actions in your life? If so, what gave validity to your offense? Have you personally said or done anything to offend that you made amends for? If so, why did you give validation to that person’s feelings?

    Gruden lost a job he was having minimal success with, so what. He will find something else. The man wrote disparaging things about people whom he would never dare address face to face in that way.

    I would absolutely expect a negative impact on my life if I said any of those things about my employer/peer/subordinate, regardless of how they became aware of my feeling.


    I have... I walk around the corner while one of my employee's was talking trash about me... I didn't like it much but I didn't fire him.. he doesn't have to like me as long as he does what I tell him to do and he does it well... I don't care what he thinks...I didn't take it personally... I did how ever call him into my office and talk to him about it... we worked it out and its not an issue so I'm not sure what your point is...
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Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:05 pm
  • Flyingsquad23 wrote:
    pmedic920 wrote:Context and intent is what should matter in matters like this.

    Gruden called a g** person “qu***”, right.

    What does lbgtQ stand for?

    Fact is, what Gruden said in those emails was a private conversation, he was not saying anything to hurt anyone, there was no ill intentions.

    The cancel culture is out of control, and it’s only going to get worse.

    Insensitive absolutely, worth getting canceled over?

    Eff that crap, it’s as bad as the dude that got canceled for saying a football is harder to see when a black man in a black jersey is holding it, than when a white/light skinned man is holding it.

    Everyone looking for a reason to be offended.
    It’s absolutely 100% ridiculous.

    Again, not defending Gruden not condoning his choice of words, I’m calling BS on “cancel culture”


    Honest questions…have you ever been offended by another persons words or actions in your life? If so, what gave validity to your offense? Have you personally said or done anything to offend that you made amends for? If so, why did you give validation to that person’s feelings?

    Gruden lost a job he was having minimal success with, so what. He will find something else. The man wrote disparaging things about people whom he would never dare address face to face in that way.

    I would absolutely expect a negative impact on my life if I said any of those things about my employer/peer/subordinate, regardless of how they became aware of my feeling.
    We are both welcome to our opinions.

    If your going to tell me that you’ve never said a negative thing about an employer, you’re either very young and haven’t had many jobs, been self employed your whole life, been very lucky, or a liar.

    I’m not trying to change anybody’s mind, and I’m not defending Gruden, I’m saying “eff cancel culture”, and folks need to stop hunting reasons to be offended.

    Fact is, if these emails had not been made public, none of Grudens words would have ever hurt anybody’s feelings, and that’s where context and intent comes in.
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:07 pm
  • LTH wrote:
    Flyingsquad23 wrote:
    pmedic920 wrote:Not defending Gruden, not condoning his words. Won’t get into it.

    However, the cancel culture we are currently living in is 100% sickening to me.

    For instance, last time my daughter and son in law were at my house, SIL slapped my ass and said “good game”, it was Tom foolery 100%.
    I called him a f**.
    This is something that I would never say out of hate or malice to a hom******* but taken out of context I could/would get blasted and possibly “canceled” if I were in a position of power and it got leaked.

    Today’s culture is absolutely ridiculous IMHO.


    Is it any more ridiculous than a person thinking they (in Grudens case) can insult powerful and influential people and not face repercussions.

    The fact that you feel comfortable in your own home saying things you wouldn’t say to a persons face says to me that you understand that what you are saying is wrong yet you can’t quite stop yourself from being yourself.



    Interesting... what difference does that make? what he said was meant to be private. Maybe he had a bad day. Maybe he is an a$$hole. Does he not have the right to talk to a friend and vent with out having repercussions? Legit question...


    LTH

    Not sure what your first question is referring too. As for the second question
    I guess it depends on the level of offense taken and pettiness of the individual. You got to know the temperature of the room.
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:11 pm
  • pmedic920 wrote:Here’s a fact.

    There are real criminals playing in the NFL.

    Due to “cancel culture” Gruden was forced to resign over a private conversation where no ill intentions existed.

    Wife beaters, rapists, drunk drivers etc etc.

    Think about it for just one minute.



    Says the LITERAL moderator of a forum that proactively auto-edits actual words typed on it. Ownership just recently "CANCELLED" an entire subforum on here w/o a thorough explanation. Cut the crap! It's hilariously strange that some of you are acting surprised by this Gruden stuff.

    Also, just so we're all clear, Chucky didn't get "resigned" based solely on the stuff the public has been made privy to. You haven't been paying attention if that's what you believe. There's farrrr more spicy $h!t that Goodell/Raiders/WFT et al agreed to keep tucked...for now.
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:17 pm
  • Flyingsquad23 wrote:
    LTH wrote:
    Flyingsquad23 wrote:
    pmedic920 wrote:Not defending Gruden, not condoning his words. Won’t get into it.

    However, the cancel culture we are currently living in is 100% sickening to me.

    For instance, last time my daughter and son in law were at my house, SIL slapped my ass and said “good game”, it was Tom foolery 100%.
    I called him a f**.
    This is something that I would never say out of hate or malice to a hom******* but taken out of context I could/would get blasted and possibly “canceled” if I were in a position of power and it got leaked.

    Today’s culture is absolutely ridiculous IMHO.


    Is it any more ridiculous than a person thinking they (in Grudens case) can insult powerful and influential people and not face repercussions.

    The fact that you feel comfortable in your own home saying things you wouldn’t say to a persons face says to me that you understand that what you are saying is wrong yet you can’t quite stop yourself from being yourself.



    Interesting... what difference does that make? what he said was meant to be private. Maybe he had a bad day. Maybe he is an a$$hole. Does he not have the right to talk to a friend and vent with out having repercussions? Legit question...


    LTH

    Not sure what your first question is referring too. As for the second question
    I guess it depends on the level of offense taken and pettiness of the individual. You got to know the temperature of the room.


    Again I don't condone what Gruden said...The questions are, does he have the right to say it? and should his emails be private?

    The way I'm understanding your position is he has the right to say it, just not with out repercussion..

    and nobody's emails are private so everybody should understand that..

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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:17 pm
  • pmedic920 wrote:
    Flyingsquad23 wrote:
    pmedic920 wrote:Context and intent is what should matter in matters like this.

    Gruden called a g** person “qu***”, right.

    What does lbgtQ stand for?

    Fact is, what Gruden said in those emails was a private conversation, he was not saying anything to hurt anyone, there was no ill intentions.

    The cancel culture is out of control, and it’s only going to get worse.

    Insensitive absolutely, worth getting canceled over?

    Eff that crap, it’s as bad as the dude that got canceled for saying a football is harder to see when a black man in a black jersey is holding it, than when a white/light skinned man is holding it.

    Everyone looking for a reason to be offended.
    It’s absolutely 100% ridiculous.

    Again, not defending Gruden not condoning his choice of words, I’m calling BS on “cancel culture”


    Honest questions…have you ever been offended by another persons words or actions in your life? If so, what gave validity to your offense? Have you personally said or done anything to offend that you made amends for? If so, why did you give validation to that person’s feelings?

    Gruden lost a job he was having minimal success with, so what. He will find something else. The man wrote disparaging things about people whom he would never dare address face to face in that way.

    I would absolutely expect a negative impact on my life if I said any of those things about my employer/peer/subordinate, regardless of how they became aware of my feeling.
    We are both welcome to our opinions.

    If your going to tell me that you’ve never said a negative thing about an employer, you’re either very young and haven’t had many jobs, been self employed your whole life, been very lucky, or a liar.

    I’m not trying to change anybody’s mind, and I’m not defending Gruden, I’m saying “eff cancel culture”, and folks need to stop hunting reasons to be offended.

    Fact is, if these emails had not been made public, none of Grudens words would have ever hurt anybody’s feelings, and that’s where context and intent comes in.


    Nowhere did I write that I haven’t said negative things, as a matter of fact I mentioned that I have been held accountable in my past. What I wrote in the post you are referencing was “ I would absolutely expect a negative impact on my life”. I’ve been at my job 35 years so….
    Fact is they were made public, cat doesn’t go back in the bag. What if he was guilty of something more serious, would he get the free pass because it was in a private email?
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:24 pm
  • hgwellz12 wrote:
    pmedic920 wrote:Here’s a fact.

    There are real criminals playing in the NFL.

    Due to “cancel culture” Gruden was forced to resign over a private conversation where no ill intentions existed.

    Wife beaters, rapists, drunk drivers etc etc.

    Think about it for just one minute.



    Says the LITERAL moderator of a forum that proactively auto-edits actual words typed on it. Ownership just recently "CANCELLED" an entire subforum on here w/o a thorough explanation. Cut the crap! It's hilariously strange that some of you are acting surprised by this Gruden stuff.

    Also, just so we're all clear, Chucky didn't get "resigned" based solely on the stuff the public has been made privy to. You haven't been paying attention if that's what you believe. There's farrrr more spicy $h!t that Goodell/Raiders/WFT et al agreed to keep tucked...for now.
    You care to explain further how me being a moderator on the forum has anything to do with my opinion of this topic, or the ownership’s decision to remove a sub forum.

    No reason to derail this thread, maybe PM me, or start a separate topic in the shack.
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:27 pm
  • Flyingsquad23 wrote:
    pmedic920 wrote:
    Flyingsquad23 wrote:
    pmedic920 wrote:Context and intent is what should matter in matters like this.

    Gruden called a g** person “qu***”, right.

    What does lbgtQ stand for?

    Fact is, what Gruden said in those emails was a private conversation, he was not saying anything to hurt anyone, there was no ill intentions.

    The cancel culture is out of control, and it’s only going to get worse.

    Insensitive absolutely, worth getting canceled over?

    Eff that crap, it’s as bad as the dude that got canceled for saying a football is harder to see when a black man in a black jersey is holding it, than when a white/light skinned man is holding it.

    Everyone looking for a reason to be offended.
    It’s absolutely 100% ridiculous.

    Again, not defending Gruden not condoning his choice of words, I’m calling BS on “cancel culture”


    Honest questions…have you ever been offended by another persons words or actions in your life? If so, what gave validity to your offense? Have you personally said or done anything to offend that you made amends for? If so, why did you give validation to that person’s feelings?

    Gruden lost a job he was having minimal success with, so what. He will find something else. The man wrote disparaging things about people whom he would never dare address face to face in that way.

    I would absolutely expect a negative impact on my life if I said any of those things about my employer/peer/subordinate, regardless of how they became aware of my feeling.
    We are both welcome to our opinions.

    If your going to tell me that you’ve never said a negative thing about an employer, you’re either very young and haven’t had many jobs, been self employed your whole life, been very lucky, or a liar.

    I’m not trying to change anybody’s mind, and I’m not defending Gruden, I’m saying “eff cancel culture”, and folks need to stop hunting reasons to be offended.

    Fact is, if these emails had not been made public, none of Grudens words would have ever hurt anybody’s feelings, and that’s where context and intent comes in.


    Nowhere did I write that I haven’t said negative things, as a matter of fact I mentioned that I have been held accountable in my past. What I wrote in the post you are referencing was “ I would absolutely expect a negative impact on my life”. I’ve been at my job 35 years so….
    Fact is they were made public, cat doesn’t go back in the bag. What if he was guilty of something more serious, would he get the free pass because it was in a private email?


    I think thats an interesting question. if he was guilty of something more serious would he get the free pass because it was in a private email? I guess that just depends on who you are... I hate to bring it into politics (not a good issue but relevant...) the democrats got hacked and the Clinton Campaign was not held accountable for the hacked emails... regardless of who hacked them.. So I would say It just depends on who you are and how much power you have... Jon Gruden? Not so much...

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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:27 pm
  • LTH wrote:
    Flyingsquad23 wrote:
    pmedic920 wrote:Context and intent is what should matter in matters like this.

    Gruden called a g** person “qu***”, right.

    What does lbgtQ stand for?

    Fact is, what Gruden said in those emails was a private conversation, he was not saying anything to hurt anyone, there was no ill intentions.

    The cancel culture is out of control, and it’s only going to get worse.

    Insensitive absolutely, worth getting canceled over?

    Eff that crap, it’s as bad as the dude that got canceled for saying a football is harder to see when a black man in a black jersey is holding it, than when a white/light skinned man is holding it.

    Everyone looking for a reason to be offended.
    It’s absolutely 100% ridiculous.

    Again, not defending Gruden not condoning his choice of words, I’m calling BS on “cancel culture”


    Honest questions…have you ever been offended by another persons words or actions in your life? If so, what gave validity to your offense? Have you personally said or done anything to offend that you made amends for? If so, why did you give validation to that person’s feelings?

    Gruden lost a job he was having minimal success with, so what. He will find something else. The man wrote disparaging things about people whom he would never dare address face to face in that way.

    I would absolutely expect a negative impact on my life if I said any of those things about my employer/peer/subordinate, regardless of how they became aware of my feeling.


    I have... I walk around the corner while one of my employee's was talking trash about me... I didn't like it much but I didn't fire him.. he doesn't have to like me as long as he does what I tell him to do and he does it well... I don't care what he thinks...I didn't take it personally... I did how ever call him into my office and talk to him about it... we worked it out and its not an issue so I'm not sure what your point is...


    I’m going to guess that there is a line he could’ve crossed that would’ve gotten him fired. It all good that you were able to work it out but your example doesn’t have any impact on someone else’s situation.
    Gruden said things about people who had immense influence over his position, he played his cards wrong .
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:31 pm
  • Flyingsquad23 wrote:
    LTH wrote:
    Flyingsquad23 wrote:
    pmedic920 wrote:Context and intent is what should matter in matters like this.

    Gruden called a g** person “qu***”, right.

    What does lbgtQ stand for?

    Fact is, what Gruden said in those emails was a private conversation, he was not saying anything to hurt anyone, there was no ill intentions.

    The cancel culture is out of control, and it’s only going to get worse.

    Insensitive absolutely, worth getting canceled over?

    Eff that crap, it’s as bad as the dude that got canceled for saying a football is harder to see when a black man in a black jersey is holding it, than when a white/light skinned man is holding it.

    Everyone looking for a reason to be offended.
    It’s absolutely 100% ridiculous.

    Again, not defending Gruden not condoning his choice of words, I’m calling BS on “cancel culture”


    Honest questions…have you ever been offended by another persons words or actions in your life? If so, what gave validity to your offense? Have you personally said or done anything to offend that you made amends for? If so, why did you give validation to that person’s feelings?

    Gruden lost a job he was having minimal success with, so what. He will find something else. The man wrote disparaging things about people whom he would never dare address face to face in that way.

    I would absolutely expect a negative impact on my life if I said any of those things about my employer/peer/subordinate, regardless of how they became aware of my feeling.


    I have... I walk around the corner while one of my employee's was talking trash about me... I didn't like it much but I didn't fire him.. he doesn't have to like me as long as he does what I tell him to do and he does it well... I don't care what he thinks...I didn't take it personally... I did how ever call him into my office and talk to him about it... we worked it out and its not an issue so I'm not sure what your point is...


    I’m going to guess that there is a line he could’ve crossed that would’ve gotten him fired. It all good that you were able to work it out but your example doesn’t have any impact on someone else’s situation.
    Gruden said things about people who had immense influence over his position, he played his cards wrong .


    i think my point is there are a lot of people who are not going to like RG. if you went through everybody's email you might be firing 2/3's of the league maybe not but the point is when your in a position such as RG u can't worry about stuff like that.
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:34 pm
  • LTH wrote:
    Flyingsquad23 wrote:
    LTH wrote:
    Flyingsquad23 wrote:
    Is it any more ridiculous than a person thinking they (in Grudens case) can insult powerful and influential people and not face repercussions.

    The fact that you feel comfortable in your own home saying things you wouldn’t say to a persons face says to me that you understand that what you are saying is wrong yet you can’t quite stop yourself from being yourself.



    Interesting... what difference does that make? what he said was meant to be private. Maybe he had a bad day. Maybe he is an a$$hole. Does he not have the right to talk to a friend and vent with out having repercussions? Legit question...


    LTH

    Not sure what your first question is referring too. As for the second question
    I guess it depends on the level of offense taken and pettiness of the individual. You got to know the temperature of the room.


    Again I don't condone what Gruden said...The questions are, does he have the right to say it? and should his emails be private?

    The way I'm understanding your position is he has the right to say it, just not with out repercussion..

    and nobody's emails are private so everybody should understand that..

    LTH
    Absolutely has the right to say whatever he wants in a private setting, and regardless of opinions on the privileges of email, it’s perfectly clear that Gruden considered those emails private at the time.

    Absolutely has the right to say whatever he wants in public, should be smart to understand that repercussions exist and are probable.

    I’m not saying that repercussions aren’t possible, I’m saying that any repercussions should take into account “context and intent”.

    I’m saying that the witch hunt our society has become in all things found “offensive” has become ridiculous.

    “Eff cancel culture and eff those that blindly buy into it”

    My son in law slapped my ass, I called him a f** with no ill intent towards him or any hom*******, if that offends anyone, eff them to.
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:36 pm
  • Flyingsquad23 wrote:
    LTH wrote:
    Flyingsquad23 wrote:
    pmedic920 wrote:Context and intent is what should matter in matters like this.

    Gruden called a g** person “qu***”, right.

    What does lbgtQ stand for?

    Fact is, what Gruden said in those emails was a private conversation, he was not saying anything to hurt anyone, there was no ill intentions.

    The cancel culture is out of control, and it’s only going to get worse.

    Insensitive absolutely, worth getting canceled over?

    Eff that crap, it’s as bad as the dude that got canceled for saying a football is harder to see when a black man in a black jersey is holding it, than when a white/light skinned man is holding it.

    Everyone looking for a reason to be offended.
    It’s absolutely 100% ridiculous.

    Again, not defending Gruden not condoning his choice of words, I’m calling BS on “cancel culture”


    Honest questions…have you ever been offended by another persons words or actions in your life? If so, what gave validity to your offense? Have you personally said or done anything to offend that you made amends for? If so, why did you give validation to that person’s feelings?

    Gruden lost a job he was having minimal success with, so what. He will find something else. The man wrote disparaging things about people whom he would never dare address face to face in that way.

    I would absolutely expect a negative impact on my life if I said any of those things about my employer/peer/subordinate, regardless of how they became aware of my feeling.


    I have... I walk around the corner while one of my employee's was talking trash about me... I didn't like it much but I didn't fire him.. he doesn't have to like me as long as he does what I tell him to do and he does it well... I don't care what he thinks...I didn't take it personally... I did how ever call him into my office and talk to him about it... we worked it out and its not an issue so I'm not sure what your point is...


    I’m going to guess that there is a line he could’ve crossed that would’ve gotten him fired. It all good that you were able to work it out but your example doesn’t have any impact on someone else’s situation.
    Gruden said things about people who had immense influence over his position, he played his cards wrong .
    Won’t disagree that he played his cards wrong, and that’s why I stated clearly that I’m not defending him.

    My whole problem with the issue is “cancel culture”, and the witch hunters we have become.
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:37 pm
  • pmedic920 wrote:
    hgwellz12 wrote:
    pmedic920 wrote:Here’s a fact.

    There are real criminals playing in the NFL.

    Due to “cancel culture” Gruden was forced to resign over a private conversation where no ill intentions existed.

    Wife beaters, rapists, drunk drivers etc etc.

    Think about it for just one minute.



    Says the LITERAL moderator of a forum that proactively auto-edits actual words typed on it. Ownership just recently "CANCELLED" an entire subforum on here w/o a thorough explanation. Cut the crap! It's hilariously strange that some of you are acting surprised by this Gruden stuff.

    Also, just so we're all clear, Chucky didn't get "resigned" based solely on the stuff the public has been made privy to. You haven't been paying attention if that's what you believe. There's farrrr more spicy $h!t that Goodell/Raiders/WFT et al agreed to keep tucked...for now.
    You care to explain further how me being a moderator on the forum has anything to do with my opinion of this topic, or the ownership’s decision to remove a sub forum.

    No reason to derail this thread, maybe PM me, or start a separate topic in the shack.


    No need to start a separate topic, Im just drawing the parallel to something that I THOUGHT you had a good enough understanding of and would therefore render it easier for you to grasp.

    Now follow me so I don't have to repeat it:

    The same way Wenhawk has rules and guidelines for this very forum to protect the dotnet image and revenue streams, so does the multi BILLION dollar entity that is The NFL. It's the exact same principle. Like it. Love it. Or leave it. They make the rules.
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:39 pm
  • pmedic920 wrote:
    LTH wrote:
    Flyingsquad23 wrote:
    LTH wrote:

    Interesting... what difference does that make? what he said was meant to be private. Maybe he had a bad day. Maybe he is an a$$hole. Does he not have the right to talk to a friend and vent with out having repercussions? Legit question...


    LTH

    Not sure what your first question is referring too. As for the second question
    I guess it depends on the level of offense taken and pettiness of the individual. You got to know the temperature of the room.


    Again I don't condone what Gruden said...The questions are, does he have the right to say it? and should his emails be private?

    The way I'm understanding your position is he has the right to say it, just not with out repercussion..

    and nobody's emails are private so everybody should understand that..

    LTH
    Absolutely has the right to say whatever he wants in a private setting, and regardless of opinions on the privileges of email, it’s perfectly clear that Gruden considered those emails private at the time.

    Absolutely has the right to say whatever he wants in public, should be smart to understand that repercussions exist and are probable.

    I’m not saying that repercussions aren’t possible, I’m saying that any repercussions should take into account “context and intent”.

    I’m saying that the witch hunt our society has become in all things found “offensive” has become ridiculous.

    “Eff cancel culture and eff those that blindly buy into it”

    My son in law slapped my ass, I called him a f** with no ill intent towards him or any hom*******, if that offends anyone, eff them to.



    If the media was not involved in this it wouldn't even be an issue... I'm about 90 percent sure that's the case
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:46 pm
  • pmedic920 wrote:
    LTH wrote:
    Flyingsquad23 wrote:
    LTH wrote:

    Interesting... what difference does that make? what he said was meant to be private. Maybe he had a bad day. Maybe he is an a$$hole. Does he not have the right to talk to a friend and vent with out having repercussions? Legit question...


    LTH

    Not sure what your first question is referring too. As for the second question
    I guess it depends on the level of offense taken and pettiness of the individual. You got to know the temperature of the room.


    Again I don't condone what Gruden said...The questions are, does he have the right to say it? and should his emails be private?

    The way I'm understanding your position is he has the right to say it, just not with out repercussion..

    and nobody's emails are private so everybody should understand that..

    LTH
    Absolutely has the right to say whatever he wants in a private setting, and regardless of opinions on the privileges of email, it’s perfectly clear that Gruden considered those emails private at the time.

    Absolutely has the right to say whatever he wants in public, should be smart to understand that repercussions exist and are probable.

    I’m not saying that repercussions aren’t possible, I’m saying that any repercussions should take into account “context and intent”.

    I’m saying that the witch hunt our society has become in all things found “offensive” has become ridiculous.

    “Eff cancel culture and eff those that blindly buy into it”

    My son in law slapped my ass, I called him a f** with no ill intent towards him or any hom*******, if that offends anyone, eff them to.


    You keep saying this. You hate” cancel culture “ and then try to cancel those that don’t think like you…F them right…

    And the fact you keep doubling down on calling your son in law a derogatory name is really strange way to try and prove your point. It’s awesome that he gets a good laugh with you. I don’t see you running around town calling g** people that.
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Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:51 pm
  • LTH wrote:
    pmedic920 wrote:
    LTH wrote:
    Flyingsquad23 wrote:Not sure what your first question is referring too. As for the second question
    I guess it depends on the level of offense taken and pettiness of the individual. You got to know the temperature of the room.


    Again I don't condone what Gruden said...The questions are, does he have the right to say it? and should his emails be private?

    The way I'm understanding your position is he has the right to say it, just not with out repercussion..

    and nobody's emails are private so everybody should understand that..

    LTH
    Absolutely has the right to say whatever he wants in a private setting, and regardless of opinions on the privileges of email, it’s perfectly clear that Gruden considered those emails private at the time.

    Absolutely has the right to say whatever he wants in public, should be smart to understand that repercussions exist and are probable.

    I’m not saying that repercussions aren’t possible, I’m saying that any repercussions should take into account “context and intent”.

    I’m saying that the witch hunt our society has become in all things found “offensive” has become ridiculous.

    “Eff cancel culture and eff those that blindly buy into it”

    My son in law slapped my ass, I called him a f** with no ill intent towards him or any hom*******, if that offends anyone, eff them to.



    If the media was not involved in this it wouldn't even be an issue... I'm about 90 percent sure that's the case
    Absolutely, the MSM is banking billions of dollars off of the divide they have created.
    This scenario is just a microscopic piece of the plan.
    Mountains out of mole hills, just another log on the fire.

    Edit:
    And the Lemmings we have become will keep jumping off the cliff.
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:52 pm
  • LTH wrote:
    pmedic920 wrote:
    LTH wrote:
    Flyingsquad23 wrote:Not sure what your first question is referring too. As for the second question
    I guess it depends on the level of offense taken and pettiness of the individual. You got to know the temperature of the room.


    Again I don't condone what Gruden said...The questions are, does he have the right to say it? and should his emails be private?

    The way I'm understanding your position is he has the right to say it, just not with out repercussion..

    and nobody's emails are private so everybody should understand that..

    LTH
    Absolutely has the right to say whatever he wants in a private setting, and regardless of opinions on the privileges of email, it’s perfectly clear that Gruden considered those emails private at the time.

    Absolutely has the right to say whatever he wants in public, should be smart to understand that repercussions exist and are probable.

    I’m not saying that repercussions aren’t possible, I’m saying that any repercussions should take into account “context and intent”.

    I’m saying that the witch hunt our society has become in all things found “offensive” has become ridiculous.

    “Eff cancel culture and eff those that blindly buy into it”

    My son in law slapped my ass, I called him a f** with no ill intent towards him or any hom*******, if that offends anyone, eff them to.



    If the media was not involved in this it wouldn't even be an issue... I'm about 90 percent sure that's the case


    So if the media was not involved in covering any crime or injustices then those events wouldn’t be an issue?
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Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:01 pm
  • Flyingsquad23 wrote:
    LTH wrote:
    pmedic920 wrote:
    LTH wrote:
    Again I don't condone what Gruden said...The questions are, does he have the right to say it? and should his emails be private?

    The way I'm understanding your position is he has the right to say it, just not with out repercussion..

    and nobody's emails are private so everybody should understand that..

    LTH
    Absolutely has the right to say whatever he wants in a private setting, and regardless of opinions on the privileges of email, it’s perfectly clear that Gruden considered those emails private at the time.

    Absolutely has the right to say whatever he wants in public, should be smart to understand that repercussions exist and are probable.

    I’m not saying that repercussions aren’t possible, I’m saying that any repercussions should take into account “context and intent”.

    I’m saying that the witch hunt our society has become in all things found “offensive” has become ridiculous.

    “Eff cancel culture and eff those that blindly buy into it”

    My son in law slapped my ass, I called him a f** with no ill intent towards him or any hom*******, if that offends anyone, eff them to.



    If the media was not involved in this it wouldn't even be an issue... I'm about 90 percent sure that's the case


    So if the media was not involved in covering any crime or injustices then those events wouldn’t be an issue?


    That's not what I said...

    I don't know of any crime that Gruden committed so why is this an issue?

    The only precedent that I can think of where a crime or misdoing was committed with a hacked email.


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    For political content.

    PLEASE leave politics out of our conversations

    LTH, please feel free to rethink your words, I’m sure you can say something similar w/o getting political.
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:51 pm
  • hgwellz12 wrote:
    pmedic920 wrote:Here’s a fact.

    There are real criminals playing in the NFL.

    Due to “cancel culture” Gruden was forced to resign over a private conversation where no ill intentions existed.

    Wife beaters, rapists, drunk drivers etc etc.

    Think about it for just one minute.



    Says the LITERAL moderator of a forum that proactively auto-edits actual words typed on it. Ownership just recently "CANCELLED" an entire subforum on here w/o a thorough explanation. Cut the crap! It's hilariously strange that some of you are acting surprised by this Gruden stuff.

    Also, just so we're all clear, Chucky didn't get "resigned" based solely on the stuff the public has been made privy to. You haven't been paying attention if that's what you believe. There's farrrr more spicy $h!t that Goodell/Raiders/WFT et al agreed to keep tucked...for now.


    This is going to get busted wide open, there are far too many situations associated with it, Allen and his BS, Snyder, Cheer Leaders, Scotty getting fired over some dubious stuff.

    Damage control is a lot of work and errors happen, there are also a lot of people poking the bear here and you know there is going to be some compensation in the back ground that we know nothing about to try to keep things hushed.
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:08 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:
    hgwellz12 wrote:
    pmedic920 wrote:Here’s a fact.

    There are real criminals playing in the NFL.

    Due to “cancel culture” Gruden was forced to resign over a private conversation where no ill intentions existed.

    Wife beaters, rapists, drunk drivers etc etc.

    Think about it for just one minute.



    Says the LITERAL moderator of a forum that proactively auto-edits actual words typed on it. Ownership just recently "CANCELLED" an entire subforum on here w/o a thorough explanation. Cut the crap! It's hilariously strange that some of you are acting surprised by this Gruden stuff.

    Also, just so we're all clear, Chucky didn't get "resigned" based solely on the stuff the public has been made privy to. You haven't been paying attention if that's what you believe. There's farrrr more spicy $h!t that Goodell/Raiders/WFT et al agreed to keep tucked...for now.


    This is going to get busted wide open, there are far too many situations associated with it, Allen and his BS, Snyder, Cheer Leaders, Scotty getting fired over some dubious stuff.

    Damage control is a lot of work and errors happen, there are also a lot of people poking the bear here and you know there is going to be some compensation in the back ground that we know nothing about to try to keep things hushed.



    One THOUSAND percent.
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:48 pm
  • I'll just add that Corona Extra brand lager can't catch a break.

    First it shares its name with a killer virus, and now it needs to distance itself from a former, and now toxic spokesperson.

    "Hello, you've reached the Gruden hotline. Please note that this call may be monitored for quality assurance purposes"
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:44 pm
  • hgwellz12 wrote:
    cymatica wrote:
    hgwellz12 wrote:
    Stud wrote:
    Yup, this is correct. But you're on a website where a lot of posters spill their soy over their keyboards over the smallest offense, so it's normal.



    You're both full of $h!t, but it's absolutely your right to be full of $h!t so I ain't about to sit here going back and forth with you. Besides, nothing either one of us has to say here is gonna get Chucky his job back. Enjoy your sloppy joe sandwich. :2thumbs:


    Of course you don't want to actually use facts and logic, or even make an actual point. Just tell someone they are full of it and run away covering your ears. Pathetic


    You two are attempting to equate longstanding racial tropes with lighthearted joking about someone looking like a movie character. You're full of $h!t and there's no 2 ways about it, no matter how much you wish there is. Furthermore, Jon Gruden fully embraced and leaned into the "Chucky" joke. Personally, I wouldn't get upset by someone jokingly saying that I have big lips. I DO have big lips. It's one of the many features of being of African descent. And, frankly, the only people who's opinion even matters in regards to my African features, is the female population. And I have always been good in that regard.

    But Gruden's INTENT when making the comment about Smith's lips + his other bigoted comments was clearly enough for Raiders top brass to make the business decision of "letting him resign". Wrong, right or otherwise, they are the ones that all of you Captain Save A Chucky mfers need to puff your chest out to. Not me. We got our own clown ass coach to be concerned with. Now, politely ease up off my tip, Junior.


    You don't know what Grudens intent was. You equate his big lips remark to longstanding racial tropes and act like it's so horrible then in the same breath say it wouldn't bother you. Uh huh.

    So what if Gruden embraces Chucky? It is the exact same thing as poking fun at big lips, except that when directed at a certain ethnic group it is called racist and off limits. I have big lips too, and people even make fun at me for it sometimes. I laugh and dish it right back.
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Re: Jon Gruden and Raiders parting ways.
Sat Oct 16, 2021 2:21 am
  • cymatica wrote:
    hgwellz12 wrote:
    cymatica wrote:
    hgwellz12 wrote:

    You're both full of $h!t, but it's absolutely your right to be full of $h!t so I ain't about to sit here going back and forth with you. Besides, nothing either one of us has to say here is gonna get Chucky his job back. Enjoy your sloppy joe sandwich. :2thumbs:


    Of course you don't want to actually use facts and logic, or even make an actual point. Just tell someone they are full of it and run away covering your ears. Pathetic


    You two are attempting to equate longstanding racial tropes with lighthearted joking about someone looking like a movie character. You're full of $h!t and there's no 2 ways about it, no matter how much you wish there is. Furthermore, Jon Gruden fully embraced and leaned into the "Chucky" joke. Personally, I wouldn't get upset by someone jokingly saying that I have big lips. I DO have big lips. It's one of the many features of being of African descent. And, frankly, the only people who's opinion even matters in regards to my African features, is the female population. And I have always been good in that regard.

    But Gruden's INTENT when making the comment about Smith's lips + his other bigoted comments was clearly enough for Raiders top brass to make the business decision of "letting him resign". Wrong, right or otherwise, they are the ones that all of you Captain Save A Chucky mfers need to puff your chest out to. Not me. We got our own clown ass coach to be concerned with. Now, politely ease up off my tip, Junior.


    You don't know what Grudens intent was. You equate his big lips remark to longstanding racial tropes and act like it's so horrible then in the same breath say it wouldn't bother you. Uh huh.

    So what if Gruden embraces Chucky? It is the exact same thing as poking fun at big lips, except that when directed at a certain ethnic group it is called racist and off limits. I have big lips too, and people even make fun at me for it sometimes. I laugh and dish it right back.



    You can pretend that making fun of a black person's lips doesn't have longstanding racial implications but it doesn't change the facts. And how you or I feel about Gruden making those remarks is besides the point. I won't disagree with you saying that it's a trivial thing to lose a $100MM job over, but you simply can't downplay the history. Again, it's irrelevant. Clearly that isn't the sole reason he was forced to resign. He was, apparently, doing and saying all types of reckless $h!t on corporate email over the last decade. He can't be mad at anyone other than himself.

    Now, it's going to get interesting in the coming months/years when more information surfaces. Especially if he decides to go full Nino Brown/Henry Hill and starts pointing fingers. ESPECIALLY in the direction of the WFT/Snyder/Jay et al because there's a proverbial icebergof mess going on with that organization that seems to be conveniately muted. Whether it be Goodell
    or the other league owners trying to preserve their asses, I'm here for it. ALL of it.
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