Bullpen was good today. Kikuchi looked great until he lost his control in the 4th. Tough to judge since the pitchers have had so little work before being thrown to the wolves.

Lewis looked much better at the plate today. 2 hits and a walk. He struck out twice but I really thought the strike 3 call on the 2nd one was a ball, believe that would have been ball 4. We got almost the entire lineup on base, Joe Hudson the only guy who didn't get on. Crawford didn't get a hit but walked twice.

Seagar is looking good, another RBI double and he snagged a couple of hard liners as well.

XxXdragonXxX wrote:Bullpen was good today. Kikuchi looked great until he lost his control in the 4th. Tough to judge since the pitchers have had so little work before being thrown to the wolves.

Lewis looked much better at the plate today. 2 hits and a walk. He struck out twice but I really thought the strike 3 call on the 2nd one was a ball, believe that would have been ball 4. We got almost the entire lineup on base, Joe Hudson the only guy who didn't get on. Crawford didn't get a hit but walked twice.

Seagar is looking good, another RBI double and he snagged a couple of hard liners as well.

As one of Seaver’s biggest critics it’s nice to see him going the other way with pop.
My pet peeve in baseball is dead pull hitters. As a dead pull hitter you severely limit your chances of getting on base especially in the shift era. Hitting to all fields with power is what got Edgar in the HOF.

Sports Hernia wrote:

XxXdragonXxX wrote:Bullpen was good today. Kikuchi looked great until he lost his control in the 4th. Tough to judge since the pitchers have had so little work before being thrown to the wolves.

Lewis looked much better at the plate today. 2 hits and a walk. He struck out twice but I really thought the strike 3 call on the 2nd one was a ball, believe that would have been ball 4. We got almost the entire lineup on base, Joe Hudson the only guy who didn't get on. Crawford didn't get a hit but walked twice.

Seagar is looking good, another RBI double and he snagged a couple of hard liners as well.

As one of Seaver’s biggest critics it’s nice to see him going the other way with pop.
My pet peeve in baseball is dead pull hitters. As a dead pull hitter you severely limit your chances of getting on base especially in the shift era. Hitting to all fields with power is what got Edgar in the HOF.

Sports go in cycles. We're into an era of power hitters. It's hard to hit for power while directing the ball. It just is. Not many players can hit for power to all fields. It's been going that way for a while, as more and more teams want the long ball. It excites the fans, but hitting solo home runs actually is a tough way to win.

In answer we got the shift. It looks silly to us old timers, but it works to eliminate the "dead pull hitters" from the lineup.

So we need the next wave in the cycle, guys who can get base hits anywhere in the field and can move runners. Everybody loves the long ball, but when all a hitter can do is HR or K, it limits his usefulness. Gotta have strengths in several areas, not just one.

sutz wrote: when all a hitter can do is HR or K, it limits his usefulness. Gotta have strengths in several areas, not just one.

Mike Zunino

Thepeelsessions wrote:

sutz wrote: when all a hitter can do is HR or K, it limits his usefulness. Gotta have strengths in several area, not just one.

Mike Zunino

I swear as soon as he stepped into the batter’s box he was in an 0-2 count.
Never seen a guy with such horrible instincts as a hitter. He’d chase balls a foot outside but then take pitches right down the middle. The rare times he’d hit the ball he’d crush it, but like I said, rare.

Wow, what a start by Graveman. He's throwing fire.

DJrmb wrote:Wow, what a start by Graveman. He's throwing fire.

Then the wheels fell off, and then the blow pen came in...:.

Good to see White go yard with his first MLB home run though.

When was the last time an Ms reliever came in and inherited base runners and socked the other team in the mouth?

Sports Hernia wrote:

DJrmb wrote:Wow, what a start by Graveman. He's throwing fire.

Then the wheels fell off, and then the blow pen came in...:.

Good to see White go yard with his first MLB home run though.

Yeah, I think he threw his arm out a little bit going 98mph early on. He just couldn't sustain that and was down to 93ish towards the end. Overall I still liked what I was. He had a little bad luck and the error behind him hurt. Can't blame him for that Altuve HR either, that pitch was almost over his head! I have no clue how he hit that out, wow. Hopefully he builds off this start and comes back more consistent next outing.

DJrmb wrote:

Sports Hernia wrote:

DJrmb wrote:Wow, what a start by Graveman. He's throwing fire.

Then the wheels fell off, and then the blow pen came in...:.

Good to see White go yard with his first MLB home run though.

Yeah, I think he threw his arm out a little bit going 98mph early on. He just couldn't sustain that and was down to 93ish towards the end. Overall I still liked what I was. He had a little bad luck and the error behind him hurt. Can't blame him for that Altuve HR either, that pitch was almost over his head! I have no clue how he hit that out, wow. Hopefully he builds off this start and comes back more consistent next outing.

You bring up a point I think is over looked. Manager SS said he thinks the defense is a lot better.
Outside of White, I’m not seeing it. Bring up Kelenic and the argument holds more water.

Sheffield is frustrating to watch. Look great in an AB making Trout look silly on a strikeout, but then he starts losing control and starts walking guys. The wheels tend to fall off for him real quick.

Sports Hernia wrote:Sheffield is frustrating to watch. Look great in an AB making Trout look silly on a strikeout, but then he starts losing control and starts walking guys. The wheels tend to fall off for him real quick.

yeah, he's been a bust. No way around it. Yeah, it's still early, but he was the centerpiece for the Ms in that deal. He looked like trash last year in the minors, and not just in Tacoma. He needs to quit fooling around.

And who the heck is this Cortes guy? Another no name reliever that appears out if nowhere that immediately allows his inherited runners to score. Then he acted like a fool with Pujols and got burnt. What an idiot.

Why does Jerry make getting quality relievers such a chore?

I think Jerry hopes Mariners go 15 and 45 and get 1st pick. The youth has promise but we need a ace and solid relief and we have a shot.

Seattle’s arson squad just gave up another lead, is there anyone in the bullpen that doesn’t suck? LOL.
This is the perfect season to see “what you have in the system” by playing the youth @ the MLB level.

Kelenic would be hitting better Marmolejos that has 1 hit and got thrown out on that very hit by not sliding at 2nd base.

Shanegotyou11 wrote:I think Jerry hopes Mariners go 15 and 45 and get 1st pick. The youth has promise but we need a ace and solid relief and we have a shot.

It wouldn’t be the end of the world if that happened THIS season.

Sports Hernia wrote:

Shanegotyou11 wrote:I think Jerry hopes Mariners go 15 and 45 and get 1st pick. The youth has promise but we need a ace and solid relief and we have a shot.

It wouldn’t be the end of the world if that happened THIS season.

No but honestly i think if we had solid pitching, we make the playoffs. Call me a homer but what i see.

Least they won last night on my bday.

Kelenic went 4-4 with 2 home runs and a triple the other day in Cheney stadium in Tacoma.
Time to bring him up and get some MLB AB’s is a pandemic wasted season.

Good game pretty much all around tonight. Altavilla got a bit shaky at the end, 8-2 woulda been nicer than 8-5 but whatever. Gonzo gets the win. Lewis with another multi hit game and 2 RBIs that made that finish much less stressful.

XxXdragonXxX wrote:Good game pretty much all around tonight. Altavilla got a bit shaky at the end, 8-2 woulda been nicer than 8-5 but whatever. Gonzo gets the win. Lewis with another multi hit game and 2 RBIs that made that finish much less stressful.

Lewis is on fire! Gonzo pitched great! JP with another clutch hit.

The youth is nice and i am excited for the future. We need to go after pitching this off season.

Walker pitching a 1 hitter thru 7, Kyle Lewis with 2 hits again. M’s up 5-0.

Sports Hernia wrote:Walker pitching a 1 hitter thru 7, Kyle Lewis with 2 hits again. M’s up 5-0.

Won 5-3. 3 in a row. That’s called a winning streak.

Sports Hernia wrote:

Sports Hernia wrote:Walker pitching a 1 hitter thru 7, Kyle Lewis with 2 hits again. M’s up 5-0.

Won 5-3. 3 in a row. That’s called a winning streak.

My interest is piqued

We are tied for 1st. Im not shocked.....

I'm feeling like the mallex smith and vogelbach experience is ending soon

Crizilla wrote:I'm feeling like the mallex smith and vogelbach experience is ending soon

Never was fan of Vogelbach.

Crizilla wrote:I'm feeling like the mallex smith and vogelbach experience is ending soon

One can hope.

So ppl are saying we should trade now but i dont. I am sorry and i know it is super early but if mariners are in thick of it, why not play for now with the players and trade for pitching?

Shanegotyou11 wrote:So ppl are saying we should trade now but i dont. I am sorry and i know it is super early but if mariners are in thick of it, why not play for now with the players and trade for pitching?

Who are you trading and for who. This is probably the most dangerous time to trade especially with east coast teams where the virus is running rampant.

I’d rather bring up the young pitchers in the system, but they won’t do it soon,
because of the arbitration clock.

Kikuchi was fabulous tonight.

Let's see how these extra innings with a runner on 2nd works...

It's been nice seeing the kids come alive the past few games. That's the growth we need to see. And all 3 starters have had huge bounce back games.

With that being said, Mallex, Vogelbach, and Marmolejos need to go. We all know Mallex and Vogelbach suck. Marmolejos is giving me Tuffy Gosewich flashbacks when he's at the plate. There's a reason why he spent 9 freaking years in the minors.

Youth was bad in 9th. Lewis, jose and shed. Evan did well. It happens tho. Bullpen will be a issue this yr.

Look at the bullpen again.

Shanegotyou11 wrote:Look at the bullpen again.

That and a ton of piss poor AB’s by Seattle hitters.
Meanwhile Kelenic was a triple short of a cycle in Tacoma.

Lewis goes yard to extend his hitting streak. That kid is strong!

Kelenic needs to be up.

Shanegotyou11 wrote:Kelenic needs to be up.

Hoping he will force their hand.

The Angels are bringing up their 21 year old OF prospect, #6 prospect in the MLB, Jo Adell.

The Mariners have 2 actual OF's on the roster and are sitting on Kelenic who has looked like a ROTY candidate.



And to me this seems like the perfect season to give you g guys a shot. No crowds, low pressure atmosphere...and it's either play them or have them get sit in Tacoma playing intrasquad game.

Evan White is ridiculous at 1st base. Handled that off target throw while keeping his foot on the bag. 99% of 1st basemen would have let it go by or moved off the bag.

Uncle Si wrote:

Sports Hernia wrote:

Sports Hernia wrote:Walker pitching a 1 hitter thru 7, Kyle Lewis with 2 hits again. M’s up 5-0.

Won 5-3. 3 in a row. That’s called a winning streak.

My interest is piqued

I never should've got involved

Uncle Si wrote:

Uncle Si wrote:

Sports Hernia wrote:

Sports Hernia wrote:Walker pitching a 1 hitter thru 7, Kyle Lewis with 2 hits again. M’s up 5-0.

Won 5-3. 3 in a row. That’s called a winning streak.

My interest is piqued

I never should've got involved

It’s all your fault Si!

This bullpen sucks, their defense looks horrible, and their offense is anemic.
One of their solutions for the offensive and defensive woes (Kelenic) is tearing up Tacoma.
They are too worried about the arb clock starting on him.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r-Hy9_wZSoY

Well Shaw was absolute trash today. Sheffield leaves the game with 2 runs scored 2 out and 2 on. Inning finishes with 8 runs scored. Sheff certainly had a not great 5th inning, but he definitely would have got out of it without letting in 8 runs if they stuck with him.

XxXdragonXxX wrote:Well Shaw was absolute trash today. Sheffield leaves the game with 2 runs scored 2 out and 2 on. Inning finishes with 8 runs scored. Sheff certainly had a not great 5th inning, but he definitely would have got out of it without letting in 8 runs if they stuck with him.

Most of the bullpen has been trash this year. Most of the good young arms are in Tacoma.

Least we won. Lol

Shanegotyou11 wrote:Least we won. Lol

Lewis is still hot, best start in Seager’s career, bullpen still sucks, White looked good for one AB, Moore had 3 hits.
Still too many holes in the lineup.

Would not be sad to see Vogelout, Shed Jr, or Gordon, Marjoemos (sp?) and a few arsonists in the bullpen sent down and or DFA’ed. Perfect season to call up the young studs and let em play. Yes I know I sound like a broken record.

PS. Quit pitching to Trout. Just tell him don’t even bother stepping in the batters box, just start walking to first, you’re being intentionally walked and don’t get to hit today, sorry!

Sports Hernia wrote:

Shanegotyou11 wrote:Least we won. Lol

Lewis is still hot, best start in Seager’s career, bullpen still sucks, White looked good for one AB, Moore had 3 hits.
Still too many holes in the lineup.

Would not be sad to see Vogelout, Shed Jr, or Gordon, Marjoemos (sp?) and a few arsonists in the bullpen sent down and or DFA’ed. Perfect season to call up the young studs and let em play. Yes I know I sound like a broken record.

PS. Quit pitching to Trout. Just tell him don’t even bother stepping in the batters box, just start walking to first, you’re being intentionally walked and don’t get to hit today, sorry!

Trout is a beast. They did move down marj. Jerry was on and said this season is just a look and experience for the youth.

I haven’t watched much of the Mariners this season. From what I’ve seen Lewis looks like he could become the next big star for the franchise. Who else do you guys see sticking around for the future? Crawford has looked decent. But after that I don’t see much. Obviously Rodriguez and Kelenic will join Lewis as the core guys. But even with them, a lot of holes. I’m disappointed in the two young arms in Dunn and Sheffield. Do you guys see them turning it around?

Trout is amazing, and numbers show that he is one of the best to ever play. For how great he is, he’s only made the playoffs in 2014 and is yet to win a postseason game. I think that shows that baseball is a team sport and not an individual sport. Which is why I would shy away from huge contracts to superstar players. Whereas I have no problem handing out big contracts in the NFL or NBA. Put LeBron James or Russell Wilson on some of the worst teams and they’ll find a way to make the playoffs. It’s just crazy to think that possibly the best player in baseball history cannot win.

Hawk-Lock wrote:I haven’t watched much of the Mariners this season. From what I’ve seen Lewis looks like he could become the next big star for the franchise. Who else do you guys see sticking around for the future? Crawford has looked decent. But after that I don’t see much. Obviously Rodriguez and Kelenic will join Lewis as the core guys. But even with them, a lot of holes. I’m disappointed in the two young arms in Dunn and Sheffield. Do you guys see them turning it around?

Trout is amazing, and numbers show that he is one of the best to ever play. For how great he is, he’s only made the playoffs in 2014 and is yet to win a postseason game. I think that shows that baseball is a team sport and not an individual sport. Which is why I would shy away from huge contracts to superstar players. Whereas I have no problem handing out big contracts in the NFL or NBA. Put LeBron James or Russell Wilson on some of the worst teams and they’ll find a way to make the playoffs. It’s just crazy to think that possibly the best player in baseball history cannot win.

They have Kelenic and Rodriguez that are going to be studs, Cal Raleigh a catcher with pop, Marte a SS with speed and a little pop. George Kirby who has great control as a pitcher as he walked no one (see zero) last year, and other decent pitching prospects. Add that to the current team and add Free Agency to fill the holes and you got a pretty good team that will contend. I’m still not sold on all of the pitching prospects outside of Kirby.

Dunn and Sheffield have preformed below my expectations so far but they have showed glimpses. They both tend to have habits of giving up big innings. I think they can still be good, they are just not there yet.

If healthy they are going to have the best outfield in baseball, once Kelenic and Rodriguez join Lewis and start
Playing full time.

I didn’t watch the game today. Why didn’t Kyle Lewis play today. Is he hurt or sick or was this the “we must get 2 of our sub .200 batters AB’s” decision? You don’t take your best hitter out of the lineup if he is healthy in a 60 game season.

Sports Hernia wrote:

Hawk-Lock wrote:I haven’t watched much of the Mariners this season. From what I’ve seen Lewis looks like he could become the next big star for the franchise. Who else do you guys see sticking around for the future? Crawford has looked decent. But after that I don’t see much. Obviously Rodriguez and Kelenic will join Lewis as the core guys. But even with them, a lot of holes. I’m disappointed in the two young arms in Dunn and Sheffield. Do you guys see them turning it around?

Trout is amazing, and numbers show that he is one of the best to ever play. For how great he is, he’s only made the playoffs in 2014 and is yet to win a postseason game. I think that shows that baseball is a team sport and not an individual sport. Which is why I would shy away from huge contracts to superstar players. Whereas I have no problem handing out big contracts in the NFL or NBA. Put LeBron James or Russell Wilson on some of the worst teams and they’ll find a way to make the playoffs. It’s just crazy to think that possibly the best player in baseball history cannot win.

They have Kelenic and Rodriguez that are going to be studs, Cal Raleigh a catcher with pop, Marte a SS with speed and a little pop. George Kirby who has great control as a pitcher as he walked no one (see zero) last year, and other decent pitching prospects. Add that to the current team and add Free Agency to fill the holes and you got a pretty good team that will contend. I’m still not sold on all of the pitching prospects outside of Kirby.

Dunn and Sheffield have preformed below my expectations so far but they have showed glimpses. They both tend to have habits of giving up big innings. I think they can still be good, they are just not there yet.

If healthy they are going to have the best outfield in baseball, once Kelenic and Rodriguez join Lewis and start
Playing full time.

I’m expecting Lewis, Kelenic and Rodriguez to be very good players. After that I won’t count on any prospects. If we aren’t at least competitive by next season then I’ll be disappointed. I probably won’t watch much of this team unless they call up Kelenic and some of the other guys.