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[SantaClaraHawk]

It's pretty obvious what the strategy is isn't it? Rebuild a nasty run game and defense to compliment an experienced above average QB and try to make another deep playoff run.

I've been saying it for months arguing with you guys over drafting a QB. It makes NO sense for a 71 year old who doesn't have either the time or patience to wait 2-3 years for a young QB to develop, if that happens at all.

Pete wants to win now, not in 2-3 years hoping the rookie QB he drafts is the real deal............AND having a mediocre defense? Nope.

If Pete cres He needs to address this now and not leave it for the next coach to deal with.

 

[Chukarhawk]

I think Hooker is our guy.

I say no but will get on the train if they take him. I'd rather take Levis.

 

[WarHawks]

Geno Smith is QBOTF.

Geno, is that you?

 

[Chukarhawk]

I feel very differently about Geno. I believe that there is a good chance that after one year under his belt that he will make significant progress this year. I think we should be thinking of last year as his rookie year. Before you go crazy, let me explain:

Now, many people will say that I'm wacko, but Geno's entire career history has been misunderstood and mischaracterized. Yes, he did start his rookie year in New York, but the circumstances have never been fully explained in the Seattle press.

I was living in New York during Geno's rookie year, so I witnessed it first hand. I even went to his first game that year. What happened in 2013 was that John Idzik, formerly of the Seahawks, was hired, and that hiring was seen as an effort to take away some of Ryan's authority. Over Rex's objections (or at least it was conjectured), Geno was drafted in the second round by Idzik who saw him as a Russell Wilson clone.

No one thought that Geno would play a down for the Jets that year. Mark Sanchez was Rex's guy (he even famously had a tattoo of Sanchez) and had taken them to consecutive AFC championship games. But at the end of the pre-season, Sanchez injured his shoulder, and Geno was thrust into being the day 1 starter with little preparation. Marty Morhinweg was the third OC in NY in three years due to criticisms over the Jets offensive production, so it was a somewhat unstable situation, with not many offensive weapons (the leading receiver that year was Jeremy Kerley).

I still remember that game. A friend took me to the game because I was depressed about my son having gone away to college. Geno, I think, fumbled on his first play and then was intercepted in the second series. (I could be wrong about this, but that's how I remember it.) But then he threw the ball all over the place and ran like a maniac and the Jets came from 17 points down to beat the Bucs. But even after that game, there was talk that Sanchez would come back, or that the Jets would go get another QB, and there was no commitment to Geno. Eventually, Sanchez had to get surgery and the Jets released him and signed Michael Vick. Although Geno finished the year 8-8, he wasn't seen as the long-term answer in NY. He was named the starter at the end of the preseason in 2014, but he was eventually replaced by Vick in mid-season. (Vick left at the end of the season, but then Geno was punched in the mouth.)

So my point to the overly long post is that this year will be the first year that Geno goes into a preseason as the starter, with a whole preseason to work with his receivers and in a stable environment (2014 was Rex Ryan's last year with the Jets.). Let's see what he can do when he finally enters a season as the presumptive starter, with a year's experience in that system under his belt.

I hope you are right!! My gut says he regresses a bit.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

We'll see on Richardson. I think we're seeing now the league doesn't see Richardson as big of a project as you do. I'll be surprised if he's not starting before the end of the year and heading into next year as an ascending playmaker.

Richardson has enough athletic ability to muddle his way through his rookie year while he's learning the position and league, but I'll be shocked if the Colts win more than 6-7 games.

My opinion is not an indictment on Richardson's talent, it's some clarity on the difference between being the Colts with a 1st year head coach/GM in total rebuild mold willing to take a big risk on a future franchise QB, and a team with a 71 year old coach who is desperately trying to get back to SB before he retires.

Some of you guys don't see this difference. It's not just about the player, there's another team side of the equation.

 

[Recon_Hawk]

Richardson has enough athletic ability to muddle his way through his rookie year while he's learning the position and league, but I'll be shocked if the Colts win more than 6-7 games.

My opinion is not an indictment on Richardson's talent, it's some clarity on the difference between being the Colts with a 1st year head coach/GM in total rebuild mold willing to take a big risk on a future franchise QB, and a team with a 71 year old coach who is desperately trying to get back to SB before he retires.

Some of you guys don't see this difference. It's not just about the player, there's another team side of the equation.

There's no quicker way to get to the superbowl than drafting a young top QB and use the cap space to fill needs with high end free agency talent. Pete and John know this since they lived it with Russ. Since they've seen Mahomes, Hurts, Burrow make their run. Since Lamar Jackson was mvp in year 2.

I don't get the idea that Pete is only thinking short term or that John has no say in constructing a roster past Pete's tenure.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I don't get the idea that Pete is only thinking short term or that John has no say in constructing a roster past Pete's tenure.

If the QB was a more polished NFL ready sure thing like Young, or even Stroud?

I'd half agree with you. But the fixation on Richardson is confusing, when out of all the QB's he's the most raw and needs the most time to develop, and that means also has the greatest chance of being a bust.

We'll never know. Moving on.

 

[oldhawkfan]

back when PC/JS started their run in Seattle, I remember distinctly one of them saying they were going to let the QB position sort itself out instead of forcing it. That resulted in them picking Wilson in the 3rd round of the 2012 draft. That was the 3rd year of their regime. It worked then and they are light years ahead at the position with Geno and to a certain extent Drew Lock.
Last year we had people wringing their hands in despair that they didn’t draft Malik Willis in the 1st round then the 2nd, then never…
Relax, the NFL draft isn’t just filling out a grocery list.

 

[Recon_Hawk]

If the QB was a more polished NFL ready sure thing like Young, or even Stroud?

I'd half agree with you. But the fixation on Richardson is confusing, when out of all the QB's he's the most raw and needs the most time to develop, and that means also has the greatest chance of being a bust.

We'll never know. Moving on.

Again your opinion that he is extremly raw doesn't fit what a lot of people believe. Colts didn't think so, and if insider sources are right, neither did Pete and John. Maybe we'll hear differently but it's nothing but speculation to say Pete wasn't drafting AR (or any QB for that matter)

 

[scutterhawk]

I feel very differently about Geno. I believe that there is a good chance that after one year under his belt that he will make significant progress this year. I think we should be thinking of last year as his rookie year. Before you go crazy, let me explain:

Now, many people will say that I'm wacko, but Geno's entire career history has been misunderstood and mischaracterized. Yes, he did start his rookie year in New York, but the circumstances have never been fully explained in the Seattle press.

I was living in New York during Geno's rookie year, so I witnessed it first hand. I even went to his first game that year. What happened in 2013 was that John Idzik, formerly of the Seahawks, was hired, and that hiring was seen as an effort to take away some of Ryan's authority. Over Rex's objections (or at least it was conjectured), Geno was drafted in the second round by Idzik who saw him as a Russell Wilson clone.

No one thought that Geno would play a down for the Jets that year. Mark Sanchez was Rex's guy (he even famously had a tattoo of Sanchez) and had taken them to consecutive AFC championship games. But at the end of the pre-season, Sanchez injured his shoulder, and Geno was thrust into being the day 1 starter with little preparation. Marty Morhinweg was the third OC in NY in three years due to criticisms over the Jets offensive production, so it was a somewhat unstable situation, with not many offensive weapons (the leading receiver that year was Jeremy Kerley).

I still remember that game. A friend took me to the game because I was depressed about my son having gone away to college. Geno, I think, fumbled on his first play and then was intercepted in the second series. (I could be wrong about this, but that's how I remember it.) But then he threw the ball all over the place and ran like a maniac and the Jets came from 17 points down to beat the Bucs. But even after that game, there was talk that Sanchez would come back, or that the Jets would go get another QB, and there was no commitment to Geno. Eventually, Sanchez had to get surgery and the Jets released him and signed Michael Vick. Although Geno finished the year 8-8, he wasn't seen as the long-term answer in NY. He was named the starter at the end of the preseason in 2014, but he was eventually replaced by Vick in mid-season. (Vick left at the end of the season, but then Geno was punched in the mouth.)

So my point to the overly long post is that this year will be the first year that Geno goes into a preseason as the starter, with a whole preseason to work with his receivers and in a stable environment (2014 was Rex Ryan's last year with the Jets.). Let's see what he can do when he finally enters a season as the presumptive starter, with a year's experience in that system under his belt.

Yep, he made the Pro Bowl, & was named Comeback Player of the Year...That sh*t doesn't happen in a vacuum.
So many 'Don't Know it all Fans' think that it would be sure-fire easy to find a younger Quarterback that could come in and replace 'Old Man Geno', and not miss a beat LOL, I mean yeah, it happens all the time in the NFL.
Now with another explosive target for Geno to throw to = Jaxon Smith Njigba added to Lockett & Metcalf, and hopefully another RB to back Walker in the Running attack & HOPEFULLY some upgraded play from the O-Line interior, I think Geno will benefit BIG TIME, and his play can progress even more.
Geno IS a Top Ten Quarterback...Older? sure, but he isn't sporting a whole lot of wear and tear on him.

 

[chris98251]

Again your opinion that he is extremly raw doesn't fit what a lot of people believe. Colts didn't think so, and if insider sources are right, neither did Pete and John. Maybe we'll hear differently but it's nothing but speculation to say Pete wasn't drafting AR (or any QB for that matter)

He wasn't drafting a QB, we have a CB and WR, if they really wanted AR they would have moved to get him knowing teams were pushing to get QB's.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Again your opinion that he is extremly raw doesn't fit what a lot of people believe. Colts didn't think so, and if insider sources are right, neither did Pete and John. Maybe we'll hear differently but it's nothing but speculation to say Pete wasn't drafting AR (or any QB for that matter)

Who didn't think he was raw?

Dude has 13 starts in college in one of the most simple shotgun one read SEC offenses in the entire country, and STILL had a horrible QBR and completion percentage rate.

Upside is through the roof, but if you didn't know or read that literally 90% of the scouts and experts wrote and said he's raw, then I'm not sure what you were reading.

 

[Recon_Hawk]

He wasn't drafting a QB, we have a CB and WR, if they really wanted AR they would have moved to get him knowing teams were pushing to get QB's.

This still doesn't confirm anything.

Had a team drafted Devon Witherspoon before pick #5, would that confirm Pete and John wasn't going to draft him because they didn't trade up? Obviously not. Teams don't always trade up for every prospect they like.

Maybe it's confirmation bias on my end, but the mood in the draft room seemed to shift a whole lot once Colts selected AR. The whole room was deflated.

Hope we get some additional insight

 

[Recon_Hawk]

Who didn't think he was raw?

Dude has 13 starts in college in one of the most simple shotgun one read SEC offenses in the entire country, and STILL had a horrible QBR and completion percentage rate.

Upside is through the roof, but if you didn't know or read that literally 90% of the scouts and experts wrote and said he's raw, then I'm not sure what you were reading.

the Colts and probably 5 other teams behind them that would have drafted him.

Levis fallen out if the first with almost as much upside as AR shows he isn't just a gamble selection based on potential. There were obvious good traits on tape.

Good video to watch if you haven't seen much tape on him.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

the Colts and probably 5 other teams behind them that would have drafted him.

Levis fallen out if the first with almost as much upside as AR shows he isn't just a gamble selection based on potential. There were obvious good traits on tape.

Good video to watch if you haven't seen much tape on him.

Cut up the semantics any way you want, he's raw. There's no arguing, other than the pejorative word you'd like to use.

Mel Kiper Jr., ESPN: "I wrote before the season that I was putting Richardson in my Big Board because of his potential. You can't coach his talent and physical ability, and NFL coaches will see the tools and try to develop him. He had an up-and-down season, throwing 17 touchdown passes and nine interceptions while running for nine scores. His 71.2 QBR ranked 30th in the country.
Richardson is still very raw -- his mechanics and footwork need a lot of work. He has accuracy issues on shorter throws that should be easier. And yet, the arm strength and the dual-threat ability are so intriguing that a team near the end of Round 1 absolutely could take him and let him develop. What I say about the draft is that we're trying to project who a prospect could be, not evaluate exactly what he is right now. Richardson hasn't come close to his ceiling. He's a polarizing prospect within the league, but he lit up the combine with his speed and physical ability."


Daniel Jeremiah, NFL.com: "Richardson packs elite arm strength and athleticism into a big/physical frame for the position, but he is incredibly raw on tape. He has urgency and explosiveness in his setup, and the ball jumps out of his hand from his three-quarters arm slot. His arm strength is special; he doesn't even need to engage his lower body to make power throws deep down the field. On the flip side, his decision making and accuracy are a roller-coaster ride. He yanks his arm at times, leading to some ugly misfires. He forces too many balls into crowded areas, too. He is electric as a runner, using his burst, agility and power to rack up runs of 60-to-80 yards. In summary, Richardson needs polish, but his upside exceeds everyone in the draft class. He's a low-floor/high-ceiling prospect."

 

[CPHawk]

So many Hooker jerseys...

Mitch Levy has a couple already to go

 

[SonicHawk]

the Colts and probably 5 other teams behind them that would have drafted him.

Levis fallen out if the first with almost as much upside as AR shows he isn't just a gamble selection based on potential. There were obvious good traits on tape.

Good video to watch if you haven't seen much tape on him.

I've seen more tape on Richardson than literally any other player and the fact is... he's not good.

Does he have crazy arm talent and a large frame? Yes. Has he shown improvement in his reads and improved over his short college stint? Sure. Is he ready to start in the NFL? Holy crap no.



Let's watch some tape together.

Throw 1: INC - Behind and high. Got to hit the receiver in the chest.
Throw 2: INC - Long.
Throw 3: INC - Designed rollout of a busted play, threw it away. Fine.
Throw 4: INC - High over the middle of the field.
Throw 5: COM - Could've hit him in stride but made the throw.
Throw 6: INC - Probably his best throw so far, throw to the outside only where the receiver can get it.
Throw 7 (0:50) : COM - Wide open receiver and totally fine.
Throw 8 : INC - Quick pass and high. Good god.
Throw 9 : INC - Quick pass and high. Can't be missing consistently high over the middle. Going to get picked.
Throw 10: INC - Medium toss, long. Maybe his worst throw yet.
Throw 11 : COM - A pretty simple route and a good throw here.
Throw 12 (1:24) : INC - Behind the receiver. Ugh
Throw 13: INC - Behind and high, just awful
Throw 14: COM - Quick pass to the side, fine.
Throw 15: INC - Quick pass again, receivers fault
Throw 16 (2:00) : COM/TD - Good throw to a wide open guy 7 yards away
Throw 17: COM - Short pass but finally hits him in the chest.
Throw 18: INT - You blind? I don't know how to even characterize this. Shit happens?
Throw 19: INC - Got hit during the windup
Throw 20: COM - K
Throw 21: COM - Hey, hit a guy in the chest downfield!
Throw 22 (2:57): INT - Oof. WYD. Also got embarassed on the return.
Throw 23: COM - Always important to get a completion after an INT, even if its only a couple yards
Throw 24: INC - Just awful.
Throw 25: INC - Throwaway.
Throw 26: COM - Another easy play
Throw 27: INC - Why force this?
Throw 28: COM - Seriously, like only one downfield completion?
Throw 29: INC - 4th down and not even a remotely catchable ball
Throw 30: INC - Where is he going?
Throw 31: INC - Probably shouldve been picked. I'll probably let some of these slide down by 10 with a minute left.
Throw 32: COM - Underhand falling to the ground.
Throw 33: COM - Lol, another should be pick
Throw 34: INC - We're just throwing it everywhere for fun now

Seriously, what in there excited anyone?

 

[oldhawkfan]

Maybe it's confirmation bias on my end, but the mood in the draft room seemed to shift a whole lot once Colts selected AR. The whole room was deflated.

I’m sorry, but we’re you in the Seahawks draft war room to witness this mood shift?

 

[Maui12thman]

Geno for at least three more years.

 

[HawksNation]

Were you a big Levis proponent? I'm not sure that Pete particularly cares about a long-term strategy. Geno is 32 with low mileage. You would think he was 38 with how posters talk about him playing one or maybe two more years here.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of drafting QBs under the current CBA. If the Colts had gone Levis then in my view there's a high likelihood we would have went with Richardson. Unfortunately, Stroud and Richardson were off the board at our pick and it only makes sense to draft QBs if you like them. I'm certainly very happy we didn't take Levis at #5.

If the team is really going to get sold, the new owner is going to hire his own guy to be the coach, and will want to get his own QB, it may be that JS and PC know that Geno is the only option to ride out their tenure.
But Levis seems like a steal right now.