Top 5 QB in the league? You lost me there. I do think Geno, after a deep dive, is better than what I and many others gave him credit for. He finished 16th in EPA which is exactly average and I think he’s probably slightly above that talent wise. Sure he had to overcome a bad line, bad running game but he also had one of the best skill position groups in the NFL. Almost every team has something a QB has to overcome so to say by default he’s way up the board because of the deficiencies while ignoring deficiencies of every other team seems like a bad process to evaluate him from.
When you weight all the metrics out he’s probably in the 10-20 range which is really good. But not good enough that you have to roll with him. I’m looking forward to seeing how JS and the next coach view this situation because it could a number of different ways. I’d try to keep him and draft a guy personally
Agree that he should be kept and started until a rookie unseats him.
but the rest?
Skill positions are negated by poor blocking and an inability to stay on the field because your defense is bottom 3 in almost every category.
I posted in another thread that no other QB ranked where Geno is had as poor a supporting cast in rushing, blocking and defense. None. Look it up.
Mahomes has the 5th ranked o line in the league. Geno, 29th.
And Mahomes has Reid calling plays for him. Geno has a guy who was just invited to find another gig.
And Mahomes has the 2nd ranked defense in points allowed per game In the NFL
Youre comparing Mahomes and his TE struggles with Geno and his running game, protection, playcalling and defense?
Last year, with a running game that disappeared entirely for 1/3rd of the season and, a line that finished 27th , and a bottim three defense, he finished 8th. Mid season last year (before the running game left and the o line comoletely collapsed, he was squarely top 5.
You keep expanding the bracket for his performance to between 10th and 20th? Why, when with a crap team in several critical areas, he was 7th once, and 12th another time, and at no point has he ever played like a 20th ranked player. 16 seems to me to be his low water mark And hes not even that low in QBR or Pro Football References Average Net Yards category, which factors in TDs, Ints and sacks heavily - categories that he didnt fair as well in
Fact is, last year he was top 7th in qbr and 10th in A.NY. That is THE definition of top 10. Period. This year he was 12th in QBR and 13th in A.NY.
And A.NY is the following -
(Passing Yards - Sack Yards + (20 * Passing TD) - (45 * Interceptions)) / (Passes Attempted + Times Sacked)
Minimum 14 attempts per scheduled game to qualify as leader.
Why do you keep insisting hes as bad as 20? By definition and his play on the field, Geno has been between 7 and 14, if you take his highest grade and lowest in two fairly detailed metrics. Thats what hes pit on tape. Thats what the play says.
Despite having one of the worst defenses in the league, and one of the worst offensive lines in the leavue, we managed to finish squarely middle of the pack in points scored. And none of that magic came from the running game.
Rationalizing that he's ok to keep around m, but middling at best... he's not been that. He's carried the offense for stretches and outperformed what one shoukd expect guven hiw absolutely poor the team around him is (and I'm not saying our skill positions are bad. They're good. But hamstrung if you arent on the field or are one dimensional).
