49ers lead the league in arrests under harbaugh.

[lsheldon]

It's fun to LOL at the niners but it seems to be cyclical. Have at it, just remember it will come back around eventually.

Maybe, but unlikely while the Paul Allen ownership is in place...

However in 9erville "New Boss Same As The Old Boss" is playin' on the radio...

If and when this does come around full circle you can bet that fan base will do everything in their power to make us hate life, it;s not like they don't try now the only difference is they have to make shit up to even try. In the end though if it does come around you may wish you took your shots while you had the chance so have fun with it.

I quit reading the 40-Whiner boards a long time ago. You can only spend so much time in a sewer before it starts to stink.

 

[hawknation2014]

Why are the 49ers still allowing their players to have these massive, all-night house parties in Santa Clara? Did they learn nothing from Aldon?

There is no accountability at the top of the pyramid.

 

[Marvin49]

Why are the 49ers still allowing their players to have these massive, all-night house parties in Santa Clara? Did they learn nothing from Aldon?

There is no accountability at the top of the pyramid.

"Allowing"?

These are grown men on their day off. Not sure how they wouldn't "allow" them to do anything.

 

[homerun1970]

Marvin they sure don't appear to be representing themselves as grown ups.

 

[hawknation2014]

Why are the 49ers still allowing their players to have these massive, all-night house parties in Santa Clara? Did they learn nothing from Aldon?

There is no accountability at the top of the pyramid.

"Allowing"?

These are grown men on their day off. Not sure how they wouldn't "allow" them to do anything.

After what happened with Aldon Smith, Harbaugh should have implemented a team rule discouraging these kind of all-night house parties. They have led to some bad consequences for your team, including two felony arrests within the last year.

But what has Harbaugh done instead? Obfuscate, intimidate a reporter who asked hard questions about his decisions, and maintain that these criminals are still members of the team in good standing.

By defending these players rather than punish them, Harbaugh has allowed the criminal conduct by his team in Santa Clara to get out of control. Two of your starters are facing serious felony charges involving accusations of violence, and you think NOTHING should be done about that during the season?

 

[Popeyejones]

If and when this does come around full circle you can bet that fan base will do everything in their power to make us hate life

There's PLENTY of 9ers fans -- myself included -- who are hugely complimentary of the Hawks and what they've been able to do, never engaged in all the "Cheathawks" trolling, and don't resort to the childish name games when talking about the team (e.g. "Pete the Cheat", "Seadderal", "Krappernick", "Whiners", "Dick Sherman", etc., etc., etc.).

You're singularly focusing on the low-hanging fruit of the 9ers fanbase, which probably makes up at least half of any fanbase. That's your choice, dude. Just ignore 'em. It's much better for your blood pressure.

it;s not like they don't try now the only difference is they have to make shit up to even try.

And 9ers fans who wade in this slop say the exact same thing about Hawks fans. Heck, even in this thread some Hawks fans are still having a ton of fun pretending that Harbaugh actually said that 9ers were "above reproach" or more "above reproach" than anyone else. They'll be doing that for as long as there's a rivalry, just as some 9ers fans will twist stuff to their own benefit for as long as there's a rivalry.

And that's of course fine, it's a sport and we're fans and we're all having fun so there's no point in begrudging people their fun. It's just that unlike some people, it sometimes seems like you actually believe what you're saying, which I dunno, is kinda funny too?

In any case, good luck tonight.

 

[Largent80]

 

[hawknation2014]

And 9ers fans who wade in this slop say the exact same thing about Hawks fans. Heck, even in this thread some Hawks fans are still having a ton of fun pretending that Harbaugh actually said that 9ers were "above reproach" or more "above reproach" than anyone else. They'll be doing that for as long as there's a rivalry, just as some 9ers fans will twist stuff to their own benefit for as long as there's a rivalry.

Harbaugh was trolling the Seahawks after Bruce Irvin's suspension for using Adderall without a league exemption. To deny that he said that is both myopic and delusional of you.

First, Harbaugh didn't need to comment at all on Irvin's suspension. Then he didn't need to question whether Irvin was lying about having taken Adderall. To lie publicly would have irrevocably damaged the chances of his appeal. That was a totally unnecessary cheap shot by a head coach against one of your rival team's players.

Then Harbaugh got in his final dig by telling the Seahawks to "Play by the rules! You want to be above reproach . . ." That was such a petty cheap shot. As though the team could have prevented Irvin from breaking the rules on his own by using Adderall without a league exemption.

Well, the Seahawks have done something about it by cutting three players this year who have broken the rules (Browner, Thurmond, and Ware). They haven't had a single violation since that time.

By leading the league in arrests, picking up Aldon's fifth-year option, and starting multiple criminals on his roster, the chickens have come home to roost for Jim Harbaugh. That's sweet Karma, baby.

"I've definitely noticed it," Harbaugh said, according to a transcript from Grant Cohn, who was at the 49ers' facility. "You don’t know what it is. Even when people say what it is, you don’t know that that’s what it is."

Harbaugh referred specifically to reports of Seattle players using Adderall, an amphetamine that can be used to treat attention-deficit disorders. Adderall can also mask the presence of other banned substances. Some also use it recreationally.

"I’ve heard this thrown out or that, but that’s usually the agent or the players themselves saying it’s, for example, Adderal," Harbaugh said. "But the NFL doesn’t release what it actually is, so you have no idea. You’re taking somebody at their word that I don’t know if you can take them at their word, understanding the circumstances."

Harbaugh said banned substances have "no place" in athletics.

"Play by the rules," Harbaugh said. "You want to be above reproach, especially when you’re good, because you don’t want people to come back and say, 'They're winning because they’re cheating.' That’s always going to be a knee-jerk reaction in my experience, since I was a little kid.

"We want to be a above reproach in everything and do everything by the rules. If you don’t, if you cheat to win, then you've already lost, according to Bo Schembechler. And Bo Schembechler is about next to the word of God. It’s not the word of God, but it’s close."

 

[Popeyejones]

DBL.

 

[Popeyejones]

HawkNation:

Extend your bolded text one more sentence to get to his point.

In any case, this ain't worth rehashing or debating, although agreed that Harbaugh would have been MUCH better off saying nothing at all.

If however, you think Pete Carroll disagrees with anything Harbaugh said, you're fooling yourself, and not giving Pete enough credit, IMO.

 

[Marvin49]

Why are the 49ers still allowing their players to have these massive, all-night house parties in Santa Clara? Did they learn nothing from Aldon?

There is no accountability at the top of the pyramid.

"Allowing"?

These are grown men on their day off. Not sure how they wouldn't "allow" them to do anything.

After what happened with Aldon Smith, Harbaugh should have implemented a team rule discouraging these kind of all-night house parties. They have led to some bad consequences for your team, including two felony arrests within the last year.

But what has Harbaugh done instead? Obfuscate, intimidate a reporter who asked hard questions about his decisions, and maintain that these criminals are still members of the team in good standing.

By defending these players rather than punish them, Harbaugh has allowed the criminal conduct by his team in Santa Clara to get out of control. Two of your starters are facing serious felony charges involving accusations of violence, and you think NOTHING should be done about that during the season?

BS from top to bottom.

These are grown men. Some may not behave as such, but they still have rights that an employer can't trample on.

"Intimidate a reporter". ROTFLMAO. This is the same guy you peeps were making fun of for picking the Niners to win the SB. Please. The guy does nothing but stir the pot. Long history there and even HE came out to say that wasn't what happened.

Yes, I know...Harbaugh is evil and complicit, blah, blah, blah. Same BS as always.

Of those 10 arrests, SIX are 2 guys (Aldon and McDonald). Are the 49ers complicit in these issues? Sure they are, not in the way you think though. The 49ers have taken some risks when it comes to character when drafting. Some of the players who had character issues coming in? Navorro Bowman. Terrell Brown. Alex Boone. That's just a few. In MOST of these cases, the 49ers have given these men a second chance and they've turned their lives around. Some have become leaders. Overwhelmingly, when they've taken that chance they've been rewarded.

DOn't think BTW that the Seahawks have not done the exact same thing. Marshawn was traded BECAUSE of character issues (and don't take that as an attack...I like the guy a lot...just hate that he plays for the team he does). Bruce Irvin had character concerns.

Wanna hear a few names that DIDN'T have any character red flags when they were drafted? Aldon Smith. Ray McDonald.

 

[Largent80]

Wanna hear a few names that DIDN'T have any character red flags when they were drafted? Aldon Smith. Ray McDonald.

So, what happened?....Why did they do this stupid shit?

 

[Laloosh]

Why are the 49ers still allowing their players to have these massive, all-night house parties in Santa Clara? Did they learn nothing from Aldon?

There is no accountability at the top of the pyramid.

"Allowing"?

These are grown men on their day off. Not sure how they wouldn't "allow" them to do anything.

After what happened with Aldon Smith, Harbaugh should have implemented a team rule discouraging these kind of all-night house parties. They have led to some bad consequences for your team, including two felony arrests within the last year.

But what has Harbaugh done instead? Obfuscate, intimidate a reporter who asked hard questions about his decisions, and maintain that these criminals are still members of the team in good standing.

By defending these players rather than punish them, Harbaugh has allowed the criminal conduct by his team in Santa Clara to get out of control. Two of your starters are facing serious felony charges involving accusations of violence, and you think NOTHING should be done about that during the season?

The idea of a team full of adults being told that they can't have parties/social gatherings is ridiculous. A couple of guys making poor choices shouldn't (and won't) result in treating the other guys like teen age kids who's parents are going out of town.

The vast majority of any team would likely choose to avoid going to that party had they known what would occur and I don't think it's any different in SF. The people who attended have no control over whatever was going on between McDonald and his fiance.

She might be crazy, he might have a short fuse. I have no idea. Someone made a poor choice and we'll see what comes of it.

 

[Marvin49]

Wanna hear a few names that DIDN'T have any character red flags when they were drafted? Aldon Smith. Ray McDonald.

So, what happened?....Why did they do this stupid shit?

Some times peeps do stupid stuff.

Sometimes you have a team that all of the sudden gets a rash of positive PED results. Does that mean that the culture of the team is responsible for them?

No.

It means that a bunch of guys all got popped in short order. Eventually it happens on all teams.

The Patriots took a chance on Aaron Hernandez. Is the team complicit? They took a chance on a character concern and it burned them...they didn't FOSTER murder.

 

[Marvin49]

Why are the 49ers still allowing their players to have these massive, all-night house parties in Santa Clara? Did they learn nothing from Aldon?

There is no accountability at the top of the pyramid.

"Allowing"?

These are grown men on their day off. Not sure how they wouldn't "allow" them to do anything.

After what happened with Aldon Smith, Harbaugh should have implemented a team rule discouraging these kind of all-night house parties. They have led to some bad consequences for your team, including two felony arrests within the last year.

But what has Harbaugh done instead? Obfuscate, intimidate a reporter who asked hard questions about his decisions, and maintain that these criminals are still members of the team in good standing.

By defending these players rather than punish them, Harbaugh has allowed the criminal conduct by his team in Santa Clara to get out of control. Two of your starters are facing serious felony charges involving accusations of violence, and you think NOTHING should be done about that during the season?

The idea of a team full of adults being told that they can't have parties/social gatherings is ridiculous. A couple of guys making poor choices shouldn't (and won't) result in treating the other guys like teen age kids who's parents are going out of town.

The vast majority of any team would likely choose to avoid going to that party had they known what would occur and I don't think it's any different in SF. The people who attended have no control over whatever was going on between McDonald and his fiance.

She might be crazy, he might have a short fuse. I have no idea. Someone made a poor choice and we'll see what comes of it.

Agreed on all points.

 

[hawknation2014]

Of those 10 arrests, SIX are 2 guys (Aldon and McDonald). Are the 49ers complicit in these issues?

I would say yes because they have done nothing to discipline their four starters who have been arrested this year. Instead, it appears they will reward all four with starting positions.

List of 49er starters who were arrested in 2014
1. CB Chris Culliver- arrested for a hit and run and felony weapons possession after allegedly threatening the victim with brass knuckles.
2. C Daniel Kilgore- arrested for public intoxication in Tennessee.
3. LB Aldon Smith- arrested for making a bomb threat at LAX, while awaiting his sentence for his 2nd DUI and three felony weapons possession charges that stemmed from an arrest at his house party that left two people shot and Smith stabbed.
4. DE Ray McDonald- arrested for felony domestic violence after allegedly hitting his pregnant fiance and attempting to pull her out of his house party, leaving her with visible bruising on her neck and arms.

Had the league not suspended Smith, all four of these criminals would be starting for the 49ers right now.

 

[hawkfan68]

I'd jump in the bashing of Jim Harbaugh but it's not fair and just to pick on the weak.

 

[chris98251]

Leroy Hill, yeah he is no longer here but that was a Seahawk that had female issues and a few run ins along with a if memory serves a failed test.

I am not going to point out the 49ers as a franchise as having issues as much as the culture of being a Pro Athlete, Remember Ken Hamlin and his walk in Pioneer Square under Holmgren. Harbaugh and Holmgren as well as Pete are all from a school of respect and discipline in what you do.

Some players and entourages believe they are teflon, some spouses and girlfriends can be emotional powder kegs. If you have not been with a female during a pregnancy you have no Idea, PMS, mood swings, hating how they feel, worried if they are going to be dropped when they get fat, are you looking at someone else cause they feel fat etc. This could have been going on as well if she was just ten weeks in to her pregnancy.

 

[Marvin49]

Of those 10 arrests, SIX are 2 guys (Aldon and McDonald). Are the 49ers complicit in these issues?

I would say yes because they have done nothing to discipline their four starters who have been arrested this year. Instead, it appears they will reward all four with starting positions.

List of 49er starters who were arrested in 2014
1. CB Chris Culliver- arrested for a hit and run and felony weapons possession after allegedly threatening the victim with brass knuckles.
2. C Daniel Kilgore- arrested for public intoxication in Tennessee.
3. LB Aldon Smith- arrested for making a bomb threat at LAX, while awaiting his sentence for his 2nd DUI and three felony weapons possession charges that stemmed from an arrest at his house party that left two people shot and Smith stabbed.
4. DE Ray McDonald- arrested for felony domestic violence after allegedly hitting his pregnant fiance and attempting to pull her out of his house party, leaving her with visible bruising on her neck and arms.

Had the league not suspended Smith, all four of these criminals would be starting for the 49ers right now.

uh....Kilgore never charged and Ray and Culliver haven't seen their day in court. I'd be careful about how you use the word "criminals".

Jeez...I wonder how many current Seahawks have been arrested. Hrmm....I guess Marshawn is a "criminal" too. Anyone want to do a little research to see what other Seahawks match this description?

Worse...I guess all peeps who have been caught with PEDs are cheaters....even if they challenged it and got it overturned. Simply being accused is now enough to get you convicted in court of public opinion, so I guess that makes Richard Sherman a cheater too.

 

[Marvin49]

Leroy Hill, yeah he is no longer here but that was a Seahawk that had female issues and a few run ins along with a if memory serves a failed test.

I am not going to point out the 49ers as a franchise as having issues as much as the culture of being a Pro Athlete, Remember Ken Hamlin and his walk in Pioneer Square under Holmgren. Harbaugh and Holmgren as well as Pete are all from a school of respect and discipline in what you do.

Some players and entourages believe they are teflon, some spouses and girlfriends can be emotional powder kegs. If you have not been with a female during a pregnancy you have no Idea, PMS, mood swings, hating how they feel, worried if they are going to be dropped when they get fat, are you looking at someone else cause they feel fat etc. This could have been going on as well if she was just ten weeks in to her pregnancy.

The reality is it happens to all teams. Every team at some point will run into this problem.

Unfortunately, sometimes it comes in bunches and sadly at times from the same talented but challenging players. Awhile back the Seahawks had like twice as many arrests as the 49ers since 2000. If I remember correctly, ALOT of those were Jerramy Stevens.

The issue wasn't the Seahawks. The issue was Jerramy Stevens. The Patriots aren't to blame for Aaron Hernandez. The Seahawks aren't to blame for PED results. The Panthers weren't to blame for Rae Carruth. The Bengals weren't responsible for Chris Henry.

PLAYERS are responsible for themselves. Many of them screw up and act like overgrown children. All the organization can do is try to help them in a way few other organizations would. It is of course self serving because these guys wouldn't be getting this kind of help if they couldn't play on sundays, but that's life.

If Aldon Smith were released today, how many NFL teams would be all over him even with his background.

Hell, Dick Vermeil to me was the epitome of a players coach and he drafted Lawrence Phillips after he drug his girlfriend down flight of stairs...by her hair. Bill freakin' Walsh later signed him out of the World League.

So funny to see peeps standing o their soapbox and preach as if their team hadn't done the EXACT same thing.