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KitsapGuy":7e95db27 said:[tweet]https://twitter.com/nflnetwork/status/975522328770736129[/tweet]
Well apparently not...
KitsapGuy":7e95db27 said:[tweet]https://twitter.com/nflnetwork/status/975522328770736129[/tweet]
AF_BASS_MAN":1kx74dhu said:KitsapGuy":1kx74dhu said:[tweet]https://twitter.com/nflnetwork/status/975522328770736129[/tweet]
Well apparently not...
WilsonMVP":3gqldven said:Lets see
Last year he was
9th in passing yards
1st in passing TD
10th in QB rating
33rd in the league in rushing yards and had over 100 yards more than the next two Seahawk RBs
2 Years ago
10th in passing yards
17th in passing TD
14th in QB rating
Objectively with Stats he is NOT a TOP 5 QB to be honest which sucks...BUT to anyone that knows the circumstances around it, the OL was the worst in the league, he played injured 2 years ago, and he has accounted for a lot of our rushing yards with zero running game. The best RB we have had last 2 years was Christine Micahel with 469 yards.
I think he is a top 5 QB but the stats dont bare it out. Hopefully we will see him return to form this year
Northwest Seahawk":1cn3j0ew said:WilsonMVP":1cn3j0ew said:Lets see
Last year he was
9th in passing yards
1st in passing TD
10th in QB rating
33rd in the league in rushing yards and had over 100 yards more than the next two Seahawk RBs
2 Years ago
10th in passing yards
17th in passing TD
14th in QB rating
Objectively with Stats he is NOT a TOP 5 QB to be honest which sucks...BUT to anyone that knows the circumstances around it, the OL was the worst in the league, he played injured 2 years ago, and he has accounted for a lot of our rushing yards with zero running game. The best RB we have had last 2 years was Christine Micahel with 469 yards.
I think he is a top 5 QB but the stats dont bare it out. Hopefully we will see him return to form this year
Please include completion percentage if your going to throw these out there throw all of them.
Northwest Seahawk":1il63xyo said:He can't get the ball out quick enough we all know why other than that he's one of the best. It takes him longer to find the open guy than a QB 6'4 that's just a physical reality. He makes up for that with his mobility and accuracy 61 percent comp percentage.
Spin Doctor":2nj60bwq said:Yes and no. Wilson is an enigma, an oddity at the QB position. This is why he is always bound to get criticism and second guessing thrown his way. Wilson's biggest issue is his lack of consistency. There are points in a game where he will miss the easiest 'gimmie' throws, or not see guys that are running wide open. This happens even if he gets good protection. When he is in these modes he may as well be Tarvaris Jackson. The other side of Wilson is the terminator. God smiles from the heavens above, and grants Wilson the power to smite his foes with robotic like proficiency. When he is on he looks like the greatest QB to ever play this game. I would take Wilson when he is in the zone over Brady, Montana, Elway, etc. Nobody can stop the man in this mode, he looks almost as if he is possessed. He will make seemingly impossible throws, and he will look like Barry Sanders juking defenders in the backfield, as he throws a perfect pass with defenders draped over him.
This can be a bit jarring. In most games he will look like some back-up QB barely clinging to a job until the late third, and fourth Quarter. This, rightfully so leaves many fans confused, and wondering what exactly Russell Wilson is as a player. This may be why we brought in Schottenheimer. Bevell looked like a pushover, and punching bag for the players. People did not respect him or his schemes. Whenever I saw him he gave me the impression of a meek man that was unable to reign in his players. His authority was also greatly diminished by the co-coordinator set up he had with Cable. He was referred to as a passing game coordinator, and Cable as a running game coordinator. Schottenheimer on the other hand is known for being a hard a---.
This all goes back to Russ. He doesn't play within the confines of the offense. He has always been a QB that made up his own rules as he went. We like to view him as a rank and file guy, but in reality Russ bends every basic rule of playing QB on a regular basis. He is the biggest rogue in the organization on the field. This leads to interesting results that are both good, both bad. He can accomplish this due to his unique talents at QB. Unfortunately, because of this loose style he is lacking in fundamentals as a passer. He does not have the same internal clock that a QB such as Hasselbeck had. It simply does not exist for Wilson because of the miracles he is able to pull off in the backfield.
This bit is important for QB's becoming a consistent force. Wilson needs to learn when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. He will often forgo checkdown routes if they are available, because he knows he may be able to make something big happen. Unfortunately, Pete and Bevell encouraged this style of play. I like to call it hero ball. This style of play leads to awkward throwing positions, and less than ideal mechanics on a regular basis. This is why we see Russ consistently overthrow his receivers. Even if he gets a clear pocket, Russ tends to move around excessively. This is a recipe for bad throws. He doesn't need to be Brees, but he sure could learn a lot from the way he sets up his blockers, and manipulates the pocket. This will lead to more consistent play from Russ, and ultimately elevate his game to the next level.
Russ has developed some really bad habits, and I'm starting to think that maybe this is why a guy like Schottenheimer was brought in over some of the other big names on the market. Schotty is a no non-sense, old school style of coordinator. While I don't think much of his offenses and schemes, I do think he will bring a lot of value in taming our wild stallion of a QB. I think he was brought in more for this reason than his merits as a coordinator. He will demand much more out of Wilson than Bevell, and he will not sit back and be an "oh shucks" type of OC like Bevell was. He will demand accountability from his Quarterback.
So essentially what I said is, yes and no. He is both a top five QB, and not a top five QB.
Northwest Seahawk":37g6fq0g said:He can't get the ball out quick enough we all know why other than that he's one of the best. It takes him longer to find the open guy than a QB 6'4 that's just a physical reality. He makes up for that with his mobility and accuracy 61 percent comp percentage.
hawkman":3066hgw3 said:MD5eahawks":3066hgw3 said:I really don't get the questioning of Russell Wilson. My god, what does he have to do!?!?
Having the ability to throw consistently to the middle of the field would be a great start. Moving up in the pocket and throwing the ball would be cool to.
hawkman":kobjfvyx said:MD5eahawks":kobjfvyx said:I really don't get the questioning of Russell Wilson. My god, what does he have to do!?!?
Having the ability to throw consistently to the middle of the field would be a great start. Moving up in the pocket and throwing the ball would be cool to.