Bevell

[Siouxhawk]

I can't imagine calling plays with this oline when guys like Brooks Reed were able to get to Russell Wilson.

That is kind of the ultimate indictment of Bevell. He should have the professional pride to stand up for himself and tell Pete that He (Bevell) needs to be able to get his own Oline coach or he (Pete) can have Tom Cable as his OC/Oline coach. The fact that Bevell never walked away from that situation and essentially ended his career shows how weak of a leader he is.

Naw, I'm sure it's more his style to work diligently with all of the coaches in a collaborative effort to try to make things right. You're advocating being a malcontent and divisive personality and that's a recipe for failure. We protect the team around here.

 

[sdog1981]

I can't imagine calling plays with this oline when guys like Brooks Reed were able to get to Russell Wilson.

That is kind of the ultimate indictment of Bevell. He should have the professional pride to stand up for himself and tell Pete that He (Bevell) needs to be able to get his own Oline coach or he (Pete) can have Tom Cable as his OC/Oline coach. The fact that Bevell never walked away from that situation and essentially ended his career shows how weak of a leader he is.

Naw, I'm sure it's more his style to work diligently with all of the coaches in a collaborative effort to try to make things right. You're advocating being a malcontent and divisive personality and that's a recipe for failure. We protect the team around here.

Yes in a regular career field that would be the right thing to do.

BUT

In the multimillion dollar alpha male dog eat dog world of NFL coaching, you leave if a gig is going to ruin your brand. Did you even know that Bill Belichick was the head coach of the NY Jets for one day? Because he knew that a better job had just opened in New England. They had a better QB (Drew Bledsoe) and had just played in the Supre Bowl within 4 seasons. So yes successful coaches walk away and find a better job so their name is never attached to losing or failure.

 

[mrt144]

For the most part, I think lots of you are full of crap. Follow the history since PC took over. Canned Bates for whatever reason you wish to choose. Hire Bevell. Draft RW, go to 11-5. Still not over the hump with Bradleys soft zone bull. Hire Quinn, go to tons of press man, pressure from any where and everywhere, take a chance when least expected because, you have defensive talent, so you use it. Go 13-3, win a bowl, go 12-4 lose a bowl. Lose Quinn to Atlanta, promote
Richard, go back to soft zone, bend but don't break, and instead of handing your offense 20+ short fields a year, you wind up only +1 in turnover margin.

BUT, it is all Bevells fault! :stirthepot:

Richard isn't responsible for the paltry red zone efficiency this year is he. Sure, the defense could provide more opportunities for the offense to be in a better position, that's a truism of any defense but lord help us if the offense can't make the most of the opportunities do have.

 

[mrt144]

It's probably my least favorite part about his philosophy because when the defense isn't perfect then it has a tendency to backfire. Case in point not trying to score at the end of the half on Saturday when we surrendered an entire possession just to avoid further risk.

It ramps up the variance by reducing the opportunities for both teams. It's a super brittle situation if the D doesn't hold up their end which since 2012 they mostly have been. That ET is seemingly the biggest lynchpin in whether the D can hold up their end makes the brittleness even more apparent this season.

I get sticking to philosophical guns with a game approach. I really do. But when it breaks down, there has to be more to what can be done than just "do better". Again, that's a truism of every team in the NFL.

 

[Siouxhawk]

I can't imagine calling plays with this oline when guys like Brooks Reed were able to get to Russell Wilson.

That is kind of the ultimate indictment of Bevell. He should have the professional pride to stand up for himself and tell Pete that He (Bevell) needs to be able to get his own Oline coach or he (Pete) can have Tom Cable as his OC/Oline coach. The fact that Bevell never walked away from that situation and essentially ended his career shows how weak of a leader he is.

Naw, I'm sure it's more his style to work diligently with all of the coaches in a collaborative effort to try to make things right. You're advocating being a malcontent and divisive personality and that's a recipe for failure. We protect the team around here.

Yes in a regular career field that would be the right thing to do.

BUT

In the multimillion dollar alpha male dog eat dog world of NFL coaching, you leave if a gig is going to ruin your brand. Did you even know that Bill Belichick was the head coach of the NY Jets for one day? Because he knew that a better job had just opened in New England. They had a better QB (Drew Bledsoe) and had just played in the Supre Bowl within 4 seasons. So yes successful coaches walk away and find a better job so their name is never attached to losing or failure.

I totally get what you're saying, but the authorial decision makers are the head coaches. The buck stops there, if you will.

It's not Bevell's role to give ultimatums to Pete. Pete sets the vision and his staff has to be unified in pursuing and ultimately achieving that vision. We've been pretty darn good at doing just that.

 

[LeftHandSmoke]

From
http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seah ... ing-about/
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Bevell has been Seattle’s OC since 2011 and the team has set numerous franchise records in his time including the top two seasons in total yards in 2014 and 2015 as well as single-season records for rushing (2014) and passing (2016 with 4,422). Seattle also scored the second-most points in franchise history in 2015 (423).

 

[hawker84]

From
http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seah ... ing-about/
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Bevell has been Seattle’s OC since 2011 and the team has set numerous franchise records in his time including the top two seasons in total yards in 2014 and 2015 as well as single-season records for rushing (2014) and passing (2016 with 4,422). Seattle also scored the second-most points in franchise history in 2015 (423).

So you're just going to ignore the notoriously slow starts every year he's been here due to poor game planning and lack of ability to adjust in game? I'm not putting all the blame on him, but I'd sure like to know how he's not somewhat a part of that problem?

 

[flmmkrz]

From
http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seah ... ing-about/
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Bevell has been Seattle’s OC since 2011 and the team has set numerous franchise records in his time including the top two seasons in total yards in 2014 and 2015 as well as single-season records for rushing (2014) and passing (2016 with 4,422). Seattle also scored the second-most points in franchise history in 2015 (423).

you can share these stats but they aren't convincing anybody of anything. We have eyes, we can see the product on the field. Saying we were better than when we were shit doesn't mean a whole lot... We have the best qb this franchise has ever seen... in his prime. We had a generational running back... in his prime. We have had the strongest defenses this teams ever had getting the ball back in our offenses hand more than ever...We have been to put it mildly a very unsuccessful franchise for much of it's history... to put up highs given those conditions isn't surprising, it should have been expected.... You only need to use your eyes to see that despite those advantages that this offense has been wildly inconsistent and has left far too many points on the field. No team in the league despite those highs is looking at our offense and saying lets try to do what the hawks do on offense. They wanted a beast type runner, they liked what Russ could do but they didn't look at the offensive game plan we had and say lets draw it up like the hawks do because you couldn't draw up what beast and Russ could do, they made a lot out of nothing and you want to hand the credit to Bevell. We are an under achieving offense given what we have to work with and this isn't a new problem. It was when we won the superbowl and it still is now.

 

[Siouxhawk]

From
http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seah ... ing-about/
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Bevell has been Seattle’s OC since 2011 and the team has set numerous franchise records in his time including the top two seasons in total yards in 2014 and 2015 as well as single-season records for rushing (2014) and passing (2016 with 4,422). Seattle also scored the second-most points in franchise history in 2015 (423).

Exactly the kind of numbers and achievements that underscore why Bevell and Cable will be back and why Pete bluntly responds to fans who think they know better than him about Bevell: "They don't know what they're talking about."

 

[LeftHandSmoke]

From
http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seah ... ing-about/
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Bevell has been Seattle’s OC since 2011 and the team has set numerous franchise records in his time including the top two seasons in total yards in 2014 and 2015 as well as single-season records for rushing (2014) and passing (2016 with 4,422). Seattle also scored the second-most points in franchise history in 2015 (423).

Exactly the kind of numbers and achievements that underscore why Bevell and Cable will be back and why Pete bluntly responds to fans who think they know better than him about Bevell: "They don't know what they're talking about."

Amen, brother! Lol

There was a big drop off in the run game this year but for very understandable reasons, mostly the still-learning OL. If Carroll has confidence for next year, unlike the hellish outlooks some franchises have, well then I'm happy too. Those are big numbers, absolute proof of this process's capabilities.

 

[sondevil89]

From
http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seah ... ing-about/
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Bevell has been Seattle’s OC since 2011 and the team has set numerous franchise records in his time including the top two seasons in total yards in 2014 and 2015 as well as single-season records for rushing (2014) and passing (2016 with 4,422). Seattle also scored the second-most points in franchise history in 2015 (423).

There are so many factors that play into interpreting stats that I don't even know where to start.

In '14 the Seahawks had their best QB and running back in its history. The Seahawks have also had a top 1 or 2 defense which also contributes to offensive production. Then, there are RW's improvised plays, was Bevell screaming in his ear: "go left?" or "take off and run?"

But if you are claiming that Bevell is responsible for those stats then he must also be responsible for 2016 where the Hawks were 19th in scoring offense, the only stat that really matters.

That's the problem with stats, you can make any number of arguments to suit your particular agenda. For instance, let's say you wracked up a bunch of yds in one year but when you went back and looked you found most yds were gained against bad teams, all that proves is that you are great against losing teams. If you go back to '15 you will see that, most of those wins were against 5-win or less teams.

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

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It's clear as day, Pete Carroll has thought of this scenario. I'm pretty sure Paul Allen has as well but he's a good owner that does not interfere. He'll allow Carroll to "fix" the problem(s) for as long as he can tolerate Pete Carroll.