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[SoulfishHawk]

I'm just busting your chops Nash. It's all good

 

[Hasselbeck]

I dont understand all the love for Pocic. We need help on the left side and he isnt going to be playing there.

You'll love him next year when we don't give Britt a big long term extension.

If there's one thing we've learned about Pet and John when it comes to borderline good offensive lineman............they're perfectly happy letting someone else overpay them come 2nd contract.

He wouldn't love him if he were Walter Jones and Hutch combined. He'd just move on to the next thing to b and moan about. :lol:

 

[Hasselbeck]

If this were any other draft, he's a late 3rd round guy.

If this was any other draft Pocic would have been a 5th or 6th round pick.

No he wouldn't be. But good try Nash Kiper

 

[nash72]

If this were any other draft, he's a late 3rd round guy.

If this was any other draft Pocic would have been a 5th or 6th round pick.

No he wouldn't be. But good try Nash Kiper

7th rounder? You seem to be the authority on the draft so tell us where he would have went.

 

[HawkGA]

If this were any other draft, he's a late 3rd round guy.

If this was any other draft Pocic would have been a 5th or 6th round pick.

No he wouldn't be. But good try Nash Kiper

7th rounder? You seem to be the authority on the draft so tell us where he would have gone.

FIFY

Grammar people, it's not that hard.

 

[Ad Hawk]

If this were any other draft, he's a late 3rd round guy.

If this was any other draft Pocic would have been a 5th or 6th round pick.

No he wouldn't be. But good try Nash Kiper

7th rounder? You seem to be the authority on the draft so tell us where he would have went.

Now this is strange... it seems your post is the one that placed him somewhere authoritatively, and without qualification. "Would have been" is what your post says. This isn't the same as guessing, "may have been."

What makes Nash72 the draft expert? Qualifications, please, or admit you're just blowing smoke like every other draft pundit out there, most of whom are just filling media space until the actual experts, the teams, make their selections based on overall team philosophy, actual (rather than journalist- or fan-perceived) need, and cap-constraints calculated far into the future, not just this year.

Pocic was a 2nd round pick this year. The NFL page had him as a projected 2-3 round selection.

All other suppositions are irrelevant.

 

[Ad Hawk]

FIFY

Grammar people, it's not that hard.

:2thumbs:

It seems it is hard for some, though.

 

[Year of The Hawk]

See how fast big picture post goes little picture. Oh well.

 

[nash72]

What makes Nash72 the draft expert? Qualifications, please, or admit you're just blowing smoke like every other draft pundit out there, most of whom are just filling media space until the actual experts, the teams, make their selections based on overall team philosophy, actual (rather than journalist- or fan-perceived) need, and cap-constraints calculated far into the future, not just this year.

Pocic was a 2nd round pick this year. The NFL page had him as a projected 2-3 round selection.

All other suppositions are irrelevant.

I'm not an expert, but I'm as qualified as Hasselbeck or any other keyboard warrior on this site. All I keep hearing is how the Olineman that got picked early would be 3rd rounders any other year in the draft. That doesn't make Pocic look good to me. I don't think he would have got taken in the 2nd if the Seahawks didn't pick him. Basically, what I'm saying is if the other Olineman were 3rd round talent in any other draft, where does that put Pocic? It surely still wouldn't be the 2nd round.

 

[nash72]

FIFY

Grammar people, it's not that hard.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Who gives a crap what OTHER teams or so called "experts" think? Give the guy a chance ffs.

 

[Optimus25]

Big picture, and I know this isn't popular, the offensive line wasn't our biggest problem. Our two biggest weaknesses were the lack of a dominant power runner, and the lack of interior pressure.

With no dominant runner to worry about, opposing defenses were able to key in on stopping our passing game, and they succeeded in making Wilson look mortal, and our line look below average. We don't need a top 5 offensive line to be successful, that isn't how we are built. We need an average line. I think we had that, but we didn't have a running threat to keep defenses honest.

The lack of interior pressure made our vaunted LOB look mortal. No one can cover an NFL receiver forever, and, while we had great edge pressure from Bennet and Avril, opposing QB's could just step up into the pocket. They had all day to throw against us.

I think we addressed both of these critical problems well. The Lacy signing has me particularly excited. I'm optimistic that our line will look better than the last few years, and our defense will regain the crown.

I'd just like to tweak your post. I think it is more accurate to say O line WAS our biggest problem, maybe still is. But management weighs the overall cost to fix vs patchwork + beefing other areas and obviously goes for the latter.

Also i don't think a dominant power runner was THAT glaring of a weakness, considering our best mini stretch of the season was prosise's dominating break out games. While he did have some success between the tackles, which was wonderfully surprising, his game is all about stretching you out sideline to sideline, like our version of David Johnson to work with. If the O line gets minimal attention, I'd rather have that than a healthy Lynch anyways. Look what happened to lynch when our O line play degraded.... He was hurt consistently.

 

[Schadie001]

Couple things after reading many posts....reminds me of a Seinfeld episode when he was on the subway talking about the Mets. Anyway...Oline was not very good for sure, but a lot of that was due to our offense lacking anything special after Wilson went down. Our line did get better however, Seattle broke their previous playoff rushing record (Rawls) against the Loins. I think injuries particularly played a huge role but also the fact that our DL really wasn't that deep. In our SB championship year and leading up to it, I remember a report coming out asking how Bennett and Avril are going to react to not playing as much. This is telling. Our DL rotation was not deep and was not used like it was in the past. I get you want your best players on the field BUT... if those players are dog tired in the 4th quarter what good are they. There is a reason Seattle has given up so many 4th quarter leads...depth and DL rotation or lack there of. These guys need to get back to limited reps that keep the fresh. This affects the whole defense. Presser is key and without it even the best DB looks pretty average. This is the NFL and people will get open if given enough time.

 

[Attyla the Hawk]

I'd just like to tweak your post. I think it is more accurate to say O line WAS our biggest problem, maybe still is. But management weighs the overall cost to fix vs patchwork + beefing other areas and obviously goes for the latter.

I'd tweak it differently.

If one looks at the options available (UFA and draft), it'd be easier to claim that it was more a lack of opportunity than cost. And I'd say the proof of that reality lay in how aggressively the entire league pursued very poor UFA options -- even making Okung the highest paid OL in history. Teams all around the league recognized how bad the OL talent in this draft was and raced to the line to overpay for bad OL talent on the free market.

Another proof being how few, and how late OL started coming off the boards. Very few teams are settled at the OL, and it was both the latest the first OL was taken (20th overall) and the fewest first round OL taken since 1990.