Disappointing Draft

[razor150]

The Seahawks don't care about offensive line right now..we do fine with the style of what the style of run blocking we do and Russell Wilson is better when he's flushed out of pocket anyway so they believe they have what they need and so do I. After all on paper we didn't have aoffensive line the last 2 years and made it to the Superbowl! I believe that the Seahawks are going after physical talents that they can mold better than big name guys that have played specifically well in a system. They know exactly what they are doing and if you question that then you obviously have not been paying attention the last 5 years.

So as long as we are winning we can continue to ignore our deficiencies because Wilson's mobility covers them up? I don't even know how someone can seriously make that arguement and then watch the way Wilson is knocked around on gameday. Do you seriously think he can continue taking that kind of beating?

 

[Northwest Seahawk]

I find it funny that the team with one of the best draft records since 2010 is also the most scrutinized team when it comes to the draft since 2010.

2010-2012 The best drafters easily.
2013-2015 not so much.

You can't judge those drafts at all because I'd say above 60% were "redshirted" their first year.

Going player by player it is pretty ugly.

2013
1st Percy Harvin F-
2nd Christine Michael D+
3rd Jordan Hill B
4th Chris Harper F-
5th Tharold Simon D
5th Jesse Williams F-
5th Luke Willson C
6th Spencer Ware D-
7th Ryan Seymour D-
7th Ty Powell F-
7th Percy Harvin F-
7th Jared Smith F-
7th Michael Bowie D+

Outside of Jordan Hill I don't see any potential long term starters in the NFL. Maybe Luke Willson maybe.

2014
2nd Paul Richardson C-
2nd Justin Britt D+
3rd Percy Harvin F-
4th Cassius Marsh D career backup
4th Kevin Norwood D Ben Obomanu at best
4th KPL B+ Flashed early before getting hurt I like him (Watch the Giants game)
5th Jimmy Staten F-
6th Garrett Scott F-
6th Eric Pinkins F-
7th Kiero Small F+

Outside of Kevin Pierre Lewis I don't see any potential long term starters in the NFL. Maybe Justin Britt maybe. He was horrible last year. Maybe P Rich if he can stay healthy, but looks more like a #3 to me.

2015
1st Jimmy Graham A
2nd Frank Clark A or F High Risk High Reward
3rd 4th 5th 6th Tyler Lockett C- If he can be the best returner in his draft class. (He cost 4 picks!)

to be continued.

Britt was not horrible last year he was average and for a rookie second round pick that's all you can really expect .

 

[Hawkfan77]

The Seahawks don't care about offensive line right now..we do fine with the style of what the style of run blocking we do and Russell Wilson is better when he's flushed out of pocket anyway so they believe they have what they need and so do I. After all on paper we didn't have aoffensive line the last 2 years and made it to the Superbowl! I believe that the Seahawks are going after physical talents that they can mold better than big name guys that have played specifically well in a system. They know exactly what they are doing and if you question that then you obviously have not been paying attention the last 5 years.

So as long as we are winning we can continue to ignore our deficiencies because Wilson's mobility covers them up? I don't even know how someone can seriously make that arguement and then watch the way Wilson is knocked around on gameday. Do you seriously think he can continue taking that kind of beating?

Drafted 2 OL today...

 

[mikeak]

Rating Richardsson and Britt C and D - LMAO

Yeah with incorrect draft grades it does look like a bad draft. It would look good if I put random A's in everyone but I won't....

 

[Northwest Seahawk]

This is how I felt the weekend of the draft in the PC/JS era.

2010: A+. They killed it.
2011: C-. Full of "who!" picks. (Obviously, I was very wrong on this one)
2012: A+++++. Loved Wilson pick to death. Loved the Irvin pick. Thought Wagner would be a very good player. Liked Turbin a lot. Liked Lane.
2013: C+ Michael was exciting, and Hill was under-rated. Hated the rest of that draft. Liked UDFA though.
2014: C-. Only pick I liked at the time was Norwood. In retrospect, I like Richardson though I worry about durability.

So far, I'd give the 2015 draft a solid A. I'd much rather have Graham than DGB. Clark is a very exciting player with pro-bowl upside. Lockett feels like getting Brandin Cooks in the 3rd round. Really exciting draft so far. Seattle is stockpiling future stars rather than filling holes. That's fine by me.

Ya but they did fill holes we needed a return man and we got one that will start game one and Clark has the size and athletic ability to start at DE , I get what your sayin but they did both.

 

[razor150]

The Seahawks don't care about offensive line right now..we do fine with the style of what the style of run blocking we do and Russell Wilson is better when he's flushed out of pocket anyway so they believe they have what they need and so do I. After all on paper we didn't have aoffensive line the last 2 years and made it to the Superbowl! I believe that the Seahawks are going after physical talents that they can mold better than big name guys that have played specifically well in a system. They know exactly what they are doing and if you question that then you obviously have not been paying attention the last 5 years.

So as long as we are winning we can continue to ignore our deficiencies because Wilson's mobility covers them up? I don't even know how someone can seriously make that arguement and then watch the way Wilson is knocked around on gameday. Do you seriously think he can continue taking that kind of beating?

Drafted 2 OL today...

The only one that seems like he has potential to start was the guard, and the other it sounds like they want to convert to center. Neither are expected to actually start. Adding depth but not improving the position isn't what I was hoping for. I want improvement I want Wilson to be secure in the pocket, and then have receivers that can get open. We drafted like we don't have major holes in our offensive line.

 

[Artizam]

The Seahawks don't care about offensive line right now..we do fine with the style of what the style of run blocking we do and Russell Wilson is better when he's flushed out of pocket anyway so they believe they have what they need and so do I. After all on paper we didn't have aoffensive line the last 2 years and made it to the Superbowl! I believe that the Seahawks are going after physical talents that they can mold better than big name guys that have played specifically well in a system. They know exactly what they are doing and if you question that then you obviously have not been paying attention the last 5 years.

So as long as we are winning we can continue to ignore our deficiencies because Wilson's mobility covers them up? I don't even know how someone can seriously make that arguement and then watch the way Wilson is knocked around on gameday. Do you seriously think he can continue taking that kind of beating?

How many games has their OL played together as a unit over the last two years? And what was our record when they were having fill ins? It's bound to happen and will continue to happen, no matter who throw throw in. What I don't get, is that your so quick to bash folks here, and argue against what John/Pete are doing. They obviously don't feel that their need at OL is that big of a concern, especially if they're on the edge of paying Wilson some big money. I'm sure they're confident in the OL to protect their franchise qb.

 

[Northwest Seahawk]

The Seahawks don't care about offensive line right now..we do fine with the style of what the style of run blocking we do and Russell Wilson is better when he's flushed out of pocket anyway so they believe they have what they need and so do I. After all on paper we didn't have aoffensive line the last 2 years and made it to the Superbowl! I believe that the Seahawks are going after physical talents that they can mold better than big name guys that have played specifically well in a system. They know exactly what they are doing and if you question that then you obviously have not been paying attention the last 5 years.

So as long as we are winning we can continue to ignore our deficiencies because Wilson's mobility covers them up? I don't even know how someone can seriously make that arguement and then watch the way Wilson is knocked around on gameday. Do you seriously think he can continue taking that kind of beating?

Drafted 2 OL today...

The only one that seems like he has potential to start was the guard, and the other it sounds like they want to convert to center. Neither are expected to actually start. Adding depth but not improving the position isn't what I was hoping for. I want improvement I want Wilson to be secure in the pocket, and then have receivers that can get open. We drafted like we don't have major holes in our offensive line.

So your saying that the Centers we have on the team now all of them suck I disagree . Marpet was probably the Center they wanted and he was off the board so I disagree that they should have gone Center at 63 there wasn't one there that was an upgrade over what we have.

 

[Year of The Hawk]

How many players drafted drafted as late as our players are (especially Oline) start and make an impact there first year? There is a learning curve with most positions. Especially on a team as stacked as ours. I love the attitude that last years draft was a bust because most have not started and been the next Russell Wilson. The people who claim the drafted last year "who are not solid starters" are not worthy of our team is someone who knows little of football. New guys need time to learn. We have some young guys on OL but they are young and most likely get better. I am glad we are drafting OL but the guys drafted will probably not start this year. They will need time to season as well.

 

[razor150]

So your saying that the Centers we have on the team now all of them suck I disagree . Marpet was probably the Center they wanted and he was off the board so I disagree that they should have gone Center at 63 there wasn't one there that was an upgrade over what we have.

I would say I don't have a lot of faith in the centers we have, and I hope they prove me wrong. I think we targeted Clark at 63, they put to much research into him if they weren't targetting him as the guy. I doubt we will ever know all the rankings for the players they were targetting in the 2nd so we don't know if he was the guy or the backup.

 

[Sports Hernia]

The speed factor and the return abilities. Baldwin is horrible as a kick returner. You're right though, I did the research, and both of them have 2 arms and 2 legs. :thirishdrinkers:

the banished one, pe, compares Lockette to Baldwin and Tate's love child. Great routes, big plays.

He's correct. I got a chance to see Lockett a lot last season, and the guy can flat-out ball. His routes are crisp, his speed is insane and his hands appear to be excellent as far as I could tell. This guy is going to be a monster in the NFL.

Cool, I can't wait. My first knee jerk uninformed opinion of the pick was not another small receiver, but the more I read and see about him the more I like.

I think he's going to be wide open a lot on the Wilson scramble plays. Also like the fact that his father played the same position in the NFL. Looks like the kid has attention to detail and is a hard worker. Also love the fact he is a pr/kr, an obvious black hole last year.

 

[chris98251]

Again he isn't small, he's just not big, 5'4, - 5'7 is what I see as small and in the 165 - 175 range.

 

[ducks41468]

Problem is that Lockett's a SLOT guy unless he can prove otherwise. But he's not supplanting Doug at that position anytime soon. If he does, then he forces Doug to play even more snaps out of position as outside WR -- not ideal.

JS has already basically confirmed that we drafted him to be a return specialist. We can be hopeful about his receiving skills obviously, but that is all secondary to what we drafted him for (according to the GM). For Year 1, I see him as Returner/backup slot receiver (basically an upgrade on Walters). Nothing wrong with that at all for a 3rd rounder, but outside of that, we gave up way, way too much to the Redskins to get there.

The fact that our own FO views him in such a limited role worries me. That and the fact that in an already shallow WR corps we potentially now have 2 WR's who are primarily there for their special teams skills. He'll have to be Devin Hester/Dante Hall good to justify what we gave up to get him if all he's gonna be is a return specialist.

 

[FanSince82]

I disagree. We had an awful draft last season because we didn't draft well or consider our needs.

This season we got back to what we're good at: pass rush. And we finally have two wr who look nailed on as NFL quality. And we did well balancing those WR with one being speedy and the other a tall possession guy.

Great draft for me. The key will be whether these OL turn out. We need OL desperately and hopefully this is a fix.

 

[3Girls'HawkDad]

Tough crowd. We are not thin at CB. The dude from Philly will be the equal of Maxwell, good not great. We lost Unger and the big oaf on the OLine, and one of these kids will plug in for Carpenter and back up at Center, where Max couldn't stay on the field and actually sucked last year when he played.

Are we better? Don't know but our cap looks good and we added Jimmy Graham to team that has been to the big one two years in a row.

Fart

 

[Tech Worlds]

I just don't understand why people keep saying our drafts the last few years sucked so bad. How do you know?

We have a very good roster and it was going to be very difficult to make an impact on this team if you were a member of the last few drafts.

Boggles my mind the expectations and limited comprehension some here have.

 

[Northwest Seahawk]

Tough crowd. We are not thin at CB. The dude from Philly will be the equal of Maxwell, good not great. We lost Unger and the big oaf on the OLine, and one of these kids will plug in for Carpenter and back up at Center, where Max couldn't stay on the field and actually sucked last year when he played.

Are we better? Don't know but our cap looks good and we added Jimmy Graham to team that has been to the big one two years in a row.

Fart

We are better in the return game I think that's a safe statement. We are better at DE and we added Graham . Add 6'5 Matthews to the receiver rotation from game 1 plus Lockett and yes I think we are better than we were at the end of the season last year. I just hope Lane can comeback mid season and help maybe sooner I have no idea how his recovery is going or a timetable for return. CB being the only real question mark right now.

 

[BlueBlood]

Some people are never happy. We are speculatively speculating speculation.

The pass blocking conundrum.

Wilson in the pocket with time to throw, not including play action. B-

Wilson flushed out of the pocket buying time waiting for someone to come open or taking off for a big ass run. A+

Hes never, no matter how bad you want him to be, is going to be an above average pocket passer.

Boohoo

#superbowls

 

[NFSeahawks]

This is the most pessimistic and disgusting thread I've read at .net in a while.

So much whine and cheese, so much overreaction, so much negative people.

Two super bowls in a row? CHILLLAXXXXX BRUH! :179417:

 

[titan3131]

All the whiners will be exiled to the webzone!!!