Do You Trust John Schneider?

[Tical21]

You can't be serious

Look at other good teams, look at their impact players, see how they got them.

Look at our trades.

Look at our drafts. The numbers over the past year or two have gotten better, but there is zero doubt that they got less from the previous 4 drafts than ANY other team did. You could look at the data bunch of different ways...starts, pro bowls, all pros, stats, whatever. We were dead last. Look at the drafts. Go over them. Then look at the drafts and some other teams. Go over them. Are you going to blindly say "I love our GM and he is the best because he got us Russell and he won a Super Bowl", or are you capable of critically thinking and looking at data and using it as evidence to form your opinion?

Now you are just posting outright lies.

Kam's deal was 36 million with 13 million guaranteed.

Less from the last 4 drafts? Have you looked at the 49ers drafts? 2016 They had 11 picks and only three of them are still on the team.

The lowest win total over the last 4 years is 9 wins, your team cannot do that without adding talent every year.

We took 10 in 2016 and only 4 have been with us since, and that includes the likes of Ifedi, Vannett, Hunt. Not even sure any of those guys are replacement level. Also, because of their inability to draft, the 49ers GM responsible for those drafts was fired.

 

[Spin Doctor]

You can't be serious

Look at other good teams, look at their impact players, see how they got them.

Look at our trades.

Look at our drafts. The numbers over the past year or two have gotten better, but there is zero doubt that they got less from the previous 4 drafts than ANY other team did. You could look at the data bunch of different ways...starts, pro bowls, all pros, stats, whatever. We were dead last. Look at the drafts. Go over them. Then look at the drafts and some other teams. Go over them. Are you going to blindly say "I love our GM and he is the best because he got us Russell and he won a Super Bowl", or are you capable of critically thinking and looking at data and using it as evidence to form your opinion?

Now you are just posting outright lies.

Kam's deal was 36 million with 13 million guaranteed.

Less from the last 4 drafts? Have you looked at the 49ers drafts? 2016 They had 11 picks and only three of them are still on the team.

The lowest win total over the last 4 years is 9 wins, your team cannot do that without adding talent every year.

We took 10 in 2016 and only 4 have been with us since, and that includes the likes of Ifedi, Vannett, Hunt. Not even sure any of those guys are replacement level. Also, because of their inability to draft, the 49ers GM responsible for those drafts was fired.

The Seahawks have not done a great job acquiring talent since about 2013. It's been a series of massive gaffes from 2013 to 2016 that led the Seahawks to fall from the juggernaut they once were. The F.O did a really poor job during this time of managing the roster. Lots of poor trades, and questionable decisions on who they let go and kept compounded with bad draft classes. That span right there would have cost most GM's their jobs. Fortunately Carroll, and Schneider had a Super Bowl.

My guess is they tried going broke for one more championship and sacrificed the longevity of the team. Even so decisions such as the corner back Carey Williams, and Tom Johnson of the Vikings were confusing as hell for me. Or trading for a back-up QB and then just letting him walk the next season. This FO does some very confusing things sometimes, and they really get taken to task when it comes to trades. They need to get back to basics. The last two years thus far have been promising, that being said lets see how they shake out when all is set and done.

 

[mrt144]

Look at other good teams, look at their impact players, see how they got them.

Look at our trades.

Look at our drafts. The numbers over the past year or two have gotten better, but there is zero doubt that they got less from the previous 4 drafts than ANY other team did. You could look at the data bunch of different ways...starts, pro bowls, all pros, stats, whatever. We were dead last. Look at the drafts. Go over them. Then look at the drafts and some other teams. Go over them. Are you going to blindly say "I love our GM and he is the best because he got us Russell and he won a Super Bowl", or are you capable of critically thinking and looking at data and using it as evidence to form your opinion?

Now you are just posting outright lies.

Kam's deal was 36 million with 13 million guaranteed.

Less from the last 4 drafts? Have you looked at the 49ers drafts? 2016 They had 11 picks and only three of them are still on the team.

The lowest win total over the last 4 years is 9 wins, your team cannot do that without adding talent every year.

We took 10 in 2016 and only 4 have been with us since, and that includes the likes of Ifedi, Vannett, Hunt. Not even sure any of those guys are replacement level. Also, because of their inability to draft, the 49ers GM responsible for those drafts was fired.

The Seahawks have not done a great job acquiring talent since about 2013. It's been a series of massive gaffes from 2013 to 2016 that led the Seahawks to fall from the juggernaut they once were. The F.O did a really poor job during this time of managing the roster. Lots of poor trades, and questionable decisions on who they let go and kept compounded with bad draft classes. That span right there would have cost most GM's their jobs. Fortunately Carroll, and Schneider had a Super Bowl.

My guess is they tried going broke for one more championship and sacrificed the longevity of the team. Even so decisions such as the corner back Carey Williams, and Tom Johnson of the Vikings were confusing as hell for me. Or trading for a back-up QB and then just letting him walk the next season. This FO does some very confusing things sometimes, and they really get taken to task when it comes to trades. They need to get back to basics. The last two years thus far have been promising, that being said lets see how they shake out when all is set and done.

It can be extremely painful to invoke a Tabula Rasa when you feel like you aren't that far off from where you were at your best.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Pete and his coaching staff are very good at finding guys that fit THEIR system and getting the most out of them. Shoot, look how many guys have left here and haven't been nearly as good. Just because a guy is a highly rated free agent, that doesn't automatically make him a fit here.

 

[mrt144]

Pete and his coaching staff are very good at finding guys that fit THEIR system and getting the most out of them. Shoot, look how many guys have left here and haven't been nearly as good.

That is damning praise:

The Hawks are a great starter wife for any player chosen by them.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Well, Pete can take no name guys and make them pretty damn good. Maxwell was absolutely garbage after he left here, and was a very good player with this team. You can't just look at a list and say that X player is a great player and would fit in here. It's just not reality. Some guys fit in very well here, others just wouldn't.
Why would a team NOT be trying to find guys that fit THEIR system??? Look at Fluker, people were not exactly knocking down the door for him. But, he fits perfectly with this team and what they are trying to do on offense.

 

[chris98251]

It's been a while but I remember reading good GM's hit on about 35 percent of their drafts, we signed splash guys to help Bevell on offense, Pete misplaced his trust there. On defense our splash guys were a last ditch effort to get back to the Super Bowl aside from Williams, nobody could foresee Avril and Kam being knocked out and Wright getting his knee reinjured or it may have been a decent thought to bring in those guys with Kams and Cliff's leadership.


That's the domino affect of what injuries to core guys can do to a team.

 

[Seymour]

Bruh, it's 2019 now. Those Sherman, Kam, Russ, Marshawn choices were like 7-9 years ago, and they haven't hit anything in free agency, and little in trades since, and outside of Lockett, Reed and Clark, have they drafted ANY other plus players since like 2012? .

Griffin
Britt
Reed
Ifedi
Flowers
Thompson
Carson
Dickson
Penny

All starters and contributors, and a couple pro bowlers.

If you're expecting the insane hit rate on draft picks like Pete and John had in their first three years in the league, then you will be wildly disappointed for the rest of their tenure.

Pete had that 2-3 year head start on he rest of the league because of his college scouts and data, and was able to mine all that mid to late round gold when he first got here.

That competitive edge/head start has been gone for a while, and now we're back down to earth with the rest of the unwashed masses. That doesn't mean Pete and John's overall philosophy can't be trusted anymore.

They still have a very successful foundation philosophy of drafting and acquiring players that love the game, have key attributes like grit, toughness and come from adversity.

So yes I trust John, and I trust Pete.....because they both have a history of success that can't be denied, and are already building another great defense. It'll just take longer this time because their college scouting advantage is gone.....but that doesn't mean their core philosophies don't work, they do.

Ifedi being the #71 ranked tackle in the NFL means he should not even be starting.

Penny is not a starter either.

Disley, Lockett and Carson belong in there also IMO.

 

[12AngryHawks]

With Schneider, it's more about quantity over quality. He helped build a contending team by getting a multitude of "less talented" players, rather than spending big bucks on a select few big-name players. And under Pete Carroll's tutelage, these "less talented" players become superstars.

So, to answer the question, yes, I trust JS.

 

[knownone]

Bruh, it's 2019 now. Those Sherman, Kam, Russ, Marshawn choices were like 7-9 years ago, and they haven't hit anything in free agency, and little in trades since, and outside of Lockett, Reed and Clark, have they drafted ANY other plus players since like 2012? .

Griffin
Britt
Reed
Ifedi
Flowers
Thompson
Carson
Dickson
Penny

All starters and contributors, and a couple pro bowlers.

If you're expecting the insane hit rate on draft picks like Pete and John had in their first three years in the league, then you will be wildly disappointed for the rest of their tenure.

Pete had that 2-3 year head start on he rest of the league because of his college scouts and data, and was able to mine all that mid to late round gold when he first got here.

That competitive edge/head start has been gone for a while, and now we're back down to earth with the rest of the unwashed masses. That doesn't mean Pete and John's overall philosophy can't be trusted anymore.

They still have a very successful foundation philosophy of drafting and acquiring players that love the game, have key attributes like grit, toughness and come from adversity.

So yes I trust John, and I trust Pete.....because they both have a history of success that can't be denied, and are already building another great defense. It'll just take longer this time because their college scouting advantage is gone.....but that doesn't mean their core philosophies don't work, they do.

Ifedi being the #71 ranked tackle in the NFL means he should not even be starting.

Penny is not a starter either.

Disley, Lockett and Carson belong in there also IMO.

Sure, but if we follow your logic on Ifedi than we'd have to also acknowledge that George Fant is the #27 tackle and Ifedi beat him out. PFF is a horrible way to judge the performance of NFL players, especially lineman.

Penny is probably a starter long term. His #1 concern coming out was the time it would take him to adjust to the NFL because of his learning disability. He put up 419 yards on 4.9 yards/carry and flashed game-changing ability, in limited snaps. If he improves even a little bit and stays healthy the entire season, he can give you 1000+ yards.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

You can't be serious

Look at other good teams, look at their impact players, see how they got them.

Look at our trades.

Look at our drafts. The numbers over the past year or two have gotten better, but there is zero doubt that they got less from the previous 4 drafts than ANY other team did.

Any other team? All 31? I'm going to have to see some harder evidence than your hot takes.

The 2010-2012 drafts weren't just "what you expect from a competent NFL front office". They were three of the best draft hauls in NFL history. No team regularly pulls off that kind of consistent drafting. You assume someone must be doing that because that's your assumption about how things work, but it isn't supported by reality and never was.

I agree that their drafting took a step back, but it's pretty close to average now, not terrible. Attyla the Hawk posted a nice little spreadsheet a little while back highlighting how Seattle's draft performance has actually been pretty close to most of the regular contender teams.

 

[DomeHawk]

Let's face it people, this isn't an exact science. JS is considered one of the best in the business (by people who actually know what they are talking about) .

https://www.fieldgulls.com/seahawks-nfl ... draft-2016

 

[Mad Dog]

It only takes looking at the Patriots drafts lately to realize that Schneider is doing a fine job. If the best team in the league can miss on so many players then every team can.

You can only win in this league two ways: Great drafting or great coaching. Or both. To criticize Schneider for his drafting and spend the year criticizing Pete and his coaching despite having one of the most successful teams in the league means you really don't understand how this whole NFL thing works.

I'll trust Schneider until we start losing (or he trades Wilson for beer).