SoulfishHawk
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Yet again, damn good points.
UK_Seahawk":26ac44zb said:PCs coaching philosophy is to play not to lose , chew up the clock and to take care of the ball. The team are listening to him too closely I would argue. I'd like to see them let off the leash a bit.
I also think he didn't want to humiliate DQ and deliberately took the foot off the gas. Frustrating but I don't think the result was under threat as some would let you believe.
I don't care what anyone says if you were offered 6 and 2 after week 8 you would snap that persons hand off.
Sgt. Largent":2nz3l8y6 said:Mad Dog":2nz3l8y6 said:If anything, Carroll is holding the team together. I mean this isn't an uber talented roster. We've got some good players (Griffin, Reed, Wright, Kendricks, Lockett, Brown, Carson) and maybe 3 great ones (Clowney, Wagner, Wilson). Then a whole bunch of youth and inexperience.
The fact that we are 6-2 is exceptional given I don't think we are any more talented than any team we've faced. So I'd say we are over-achieving. Coaches who "lose the team" don't over achieve. They lose like the Falcons are losing.
Change Carroll to Russell and I'm with you.
Pete's processes, coaching style and his attention to detail with the way he runs the Hawk's organization is 2nd to none, but I do not think anymore that he's even an average X's and O's coach, and I've felt that way for a long time.
I think he struck lightning in a bottle by drafting Russell, and Russell's been bailing his ass out and making him look good for a long time now.
No Russell and IMO Pete might not even be here anymore. Pete might still be searching for a good starting QB, like he was before Russell with signing and trading for stiffs like Charlie Whitehurst and Matt Flynn, and he's never had success drafting QB's since Russell.
Mad Dog":1c4d8eas said:Sgt. Largent":1c4d8eas said:Mad Dog":1c4d8eas said:If anything, Carroll is holding the team together. I mean this isn't an uber talented roster. We've got some good players (Griffin, Reed, Wright, Kendricks, Lockett, Brown, Carson) and maybe 3 great ones (Clowney, Wagner, Wilson). Then a whole bunch of youth and inexperience.
The fact that we are 6-2 is exceptional given I don't think we are any more talented than any team we've faced. So I'd say we are over-achieving. Coaches who "lose the team" don't over achieve. They lose like the Falcons are losing.
Change Carroll to Russell and I'm with you.
Pete's processes, coaching style and his attention to detail with the way he runs the Hawk's organization is 2nd to none, but I do not think anymore that he's even an average X's and O's coach, and I've felt that way for a long time.
I think he struck lightning in a bottle by drafting Russell, and Russell's been bailing his ass out and making him look good for a long time now.
No Russell and IMO Pete might not even be here anymore. Pete might still be searching for a good starting QB, like he was before Russell with signing and trading for stiffs like Charlie Whitehurst and Matt Flynn, and he's never had success drafting QB's since Russell.
That could be said for virtually every coach in the NFL. There are very few coaches that can win without either a top notch QB or a top notch Defense. We were lucky to have both for a while. Now we just have WIlson. And I agree that his presence assures us 2-4 wins every year.
Pete's a guy that with no talent will get you 7 wins. With a great D or good QB he'll get you 9-10 wins. With a great D and good QB he'll get you 11-13 wins.
Without Pete and Wilson, we are a 4 win team looking forward to a high pick.
You could possibly be right But I see other teams like the Texans and Ravens whoSgt. Largent":uxvsqsu6 said:Mad Dog":uxvsqsu6 said:Sgt. Largent":uxvsqsu6 said:Mad Dog":uxvsqsu6 said:If anything, Carroll is holding the team together. I mean this isn't an uber talented roster. We've got some good players (Griffin, Reed, Wright, Kendricks, Lockett, Brown, Carson) and maybe 3 great ones (Clowney, Wagner, Wilson). Then a whole bunch of youth and inexperience.
The fact that we are 6-2 is exceptional given I don't think we are any more talented than any team we've faced. So I'd say we are over-achieving. Coaches who "lose the team" don't over achieve. They lose like the Falcons are losing.
Change Carroll to Russell and I'm with you.
Pete's processes, coaching style and his attention to detail with the way he runs the Hawk's organization is 2nd to none, but I do not think anymore that he's even an average X's and O's coach, and I've felt that way for a long time.
I think he struck lightning in a bottle by drafting Russell, and Russell's been bailing his ass out and making him look good for a long time now.
No Russell and IMO Pete might not even be here anymore. Pete might still be searching for a good starting QB, like he was before Russell with signing and trading for stiffs like Charlie Whitehurst and Matt Flynn, and he's never had success drafting QB's since Russell.
That could be said for virtually every coach in the NFL. There are very few coaches that can win without either a top notch QB or a top notch Defense. We were lucky to have both for a while. Now we just have WIlson. And I agree that his presence assures us 2-4 wins every year.
Pete's a guy that with no talent will get you 7 wins. With a great D or good QB he'll get you 9-10 wins. With a great D and good QB he'll get you 11-13 wins.
Without Pete and Wilson, we are a 4 win team looking forward to a high pick.
But I'm saying with Russell and without Pete we're still an 11-13 win team......and with Pete and no Russell? No way in hell this team wins seven games. More like 3-4.
I do not think Pete is any longer providing an advantage with either playcalling, schemes OR is he any longer an elite talent evaluator like he was coming directly from college and helping John draft our SB rosters.
Maybe Pete the Executive Vice President of Football Operations we need? But I honestly think with Russell we could have just about any of Pete's disciples as HC and we'd be just fine. This is Russell's team now, and like I said it has been for a while.
Hell, if anything Pete might be stunting Russell.
IndyHawk":qbcjnhlq said:You could possibly be right But I see other teams like the Texans and Ravens whoSgt. Largent":qbcjnhlq said:Mad Dog":qbcjnhlq said:Sgt. Largent":qbcjnhlq said:Change Carroll to Russell and I'm with you.
Pete's processes, coaching style and his attention to detail with the way he runs the Hawk's organization is 2nd to none, but I do not think anymore that he's even an average X's and O's coach, and I've felt that way for a long time.
I think he struck lightning in a bottle by drafting Russell, and Russell's been bailing his ass out and making him look good for a long time now.
No Russell and IMO Pete might not even be here anymore. Pete might still be searching for a good starting QB, like he was before Russell with signing and trading for stiffs like Charlie Whitehurst and Matt Flynn, and he's never had success drafting QB's since Russell.
That could be said for virtually every coach in the NFL. There are very few coaches that can win without either a top notch QB or a top notch Defense. We were lucky to have both for a while. Now we just have WIlson. And I agree that his presence assures us 2-4 wins every year.
Pete's a guy that with no talent will get you 7 wins. With a great D or good QB he'll get you 9-10 wins. With a great D and good QB he'll get you 11-13 wins.
Without Pete and Wilson, we are a 4 win team looking forward to a high pick.
But I'm saying with Russell and without Pete we're still an 11-13 win team......and with Pete and no Russell? No way in hell this team wins seven games. More like 3-4.
I do not think Pete is any longer providing an advantage with either playcalling, schemes OR is he any longer an elite talent evaluator like he was coming directly from college and helping John draft our SB rosters.
Maybe Pete the Executive Vice President of Football Operations we need? But I honestly think with Russell we could have just about any of Pete's disciples as HC and we'd be just fine. This is Russell's team now, and like I said it has been for a while.
Hell, if anything Pete might be stunting Russell.
are not winning big just because of the QB talent.
Another coach may not win at all with this defense no?
Another coach may try to make RW do things he isn't good at.
I'm just saying I think it goes beyond the QB for sure.
UK_Seahawk":3l1fi67u said:PCs coaching philosophy is to play not to lose , chew up the clock and to take care of the ball. The team are listening to him too closely I would argue. I'd like to see them let off the leash a bit.
I also think he didn't want to humiliate DQ and deliberately took the foot off the gas. Frustrating but I don't think the result was under threat as some would let you believe.
I don't care what anyone says if you were offered 6 and 2 after week 8 you would snap that persons hand off.
Sgt. Largent":2g9puwfi said:Mad Dog":2g9puwfi said:Sgt. Largent":2g9puwfi said:Mad Dog":2g9puwfi said:If anything, Carroll is holding the team together. I mean this isn't an uber talented roster. We've got some good players (Griffin, Reed, Wright, Kendricks, Lockett, Brown, Carson) and maybe 3 great ones (Clowney, Wagner, Wilson). Then a whole bunch of youth and inexperience.
The fact that we are 6-2 is exceptional given I don't think we are any more talented than any team we've faced. So I'd say we are over-achieving. Coaches who "lose the team" don't over achieve. They lose like the Falcons are losing.
Change Carroll to Russell and I'm with you.
Pete's processes, coaching style and his attention to detail with the way he runs the Hawk's organization is 2nd to none, but I do not think anymore that he's even an average X's and O's coach, and I've felt that way for a long time.
I think he struck lightning in a bottle by drafting Russell, and Russell's been bailing his ass out and making him look good for a long time now.
No Russell and IMO Pete might not even be here anymore. Pete might still be searching for a good starting QB, like he was before Russell with signing and trading for stiffs like Charlie Whitehurst and Matt Flynn, and he's never had success drafting QB's since Russell.
That could be said for virtually every coach in the NFL. There are very few coaches that can win without either a top notch QB or a top notch Defense. We were lucky to have both for a while. Now we just have WIlson. And I agree that his presence assures us 2-4 wins every year.
Pete's a guy that with no talent will get you 7 wins. With a great D or good QB he'll get you 9-10 wins. With a great D and good QB he'll get you 11-13 wins.
Without Pete and Wilson, we are a 4 win team looking forward to a high pick.
But I'm saying with Russell and without Pete we're still an 11-13 win team......and with Pete and no Russell? No way in hell this team wins seven games. More like 3-4.
I do not think Pete is any longer providing an advantage with either playcalling, schemes OR is he any longer an elite talent evaluator like he was coming directly from college and helping John draft our SB rosters.
Maybe Pete the Executive Vice President of Football Operations we need? But I honestly think with Russell we could have just about any of Pete's disciples as HC and we'd be just fine. This is Russell's team now, and like I said it has been for a while.
Hell, if anything Pete might be stunting Russell.
SoulfishHawk":3dzxqci1 said:Every time they win, it's overraction Monday, and not in a good way.
You should see it when they lose :shock:
That being said, it's cool to have a place that you can vent about the team and talk football. We don't always get along, but it's still cool to have some back and forth about the Hawks. And it makes the week go faster.
Sgt. Largent":6c3ielje said:Mad Dog":6c3ielje said:If anything, Carroll is holding the team together. I mean this isn't an uber talented roster. We've got some good players (Griffin, Reed, Wright, Kendricks, Lockett, Brown, Carson) and maybe 3 great ones (Clowney, Wagner, Wilson). Then a whole bunch of youth and inexperience.
The fact that we are 6-2 is exceptional given I don't think we are any more talented than any team we've faced. So I'd say we are over-achieving. Coaches who "lose the team" don't over achieve. They lose like the Falcons are losing.
Wartooth said:If you weren't alive, or were to young to suffer Seahawk's football during the 80's and 90's, I could understand posting something like this... Pete's run with the Hawks is the best it's ever been, ya'll should enjoy it, instead of always looking for something to whinge about.[/quote
I remember them there cantankerous years too . I'm old......R too.
Elemas":b8vknd2c said:I think the title may be inappropriate, but the premise the same.
As much as I hope the Hawks run the table, I think you naysayers that give PC his props on "Pete Ball", or say things like we took our foot off the gas because it was Dan Quinn, or "relax...we're 6-2. Everything's going to be ok", need less peyote in your lives.
Our wins have come against teams that are a combined 13-31-1. Not our fault. It's great to be 6-2.
But, none of you can sit here and argue nor prove that the current playcalling, performance, or lack thereof will benefit the Hawks after this TB game. Kicker...neither can I.
But, I'd bet money we end up with only 4 (max) more regular season wins and hopefully a wildcard. Reality may be 3 wins and miss the playoffs.
Pete Ball ok at that point? Everything going to be ok at that point?
We'll see.
The decline in the Pete Carroll Seahawks is real. Since the ill fated SuperBowl in 2014 the Seahawks have a below .500 winrate in the playoffs. The Seahawks also missed the playoffs once, and our defense has been getting progressively worse each season. Russell is our best Quarterback ever, and we're just wasting his prime years.Wartooth":1hwpjbl4 said:If you weren't alive, or were to young to suffer Seahawk's football during the 80's and 90's, I could understand posting something like this... Pete's run with the Hawks is the best it's ever been, ya'll should enjoy it, instead of always looking for something to whinge about.