Is Wilson's mobility nearly gone?

[MO Hawk]

One thing that stood out the last half of the season was Wilson's inability to scramble like he once could. Is this because teams have watched so much film on him they know his tendencies and how to stop him? I don't see Wilson as a true pocket passer, perhaps because of his height or lack thereof.

In Wilson's younger days he could outmaneuver almost anyone and run or pass his way to great plays. Not so much anymore. Are the beatings he takes week after week starting to wear his body down? As he ages, he can't keep taking hits like that and Pete and John have shown no desire to fix the O line issues over the years.

Also, Pet's insistence to let the play clock wind down to 0 EVERY sinking play kind of allows the defense to "time the clock" a little and maybe get off the ball quicker.

 

[snackdaddy]

 

[jammerhawk]

When you watch enough film on any QB you begin to understand how the turn, spin or shift to escape the rush. After 9 years the DC’s have ideas on how to prevent his escapes. Inevitably the defence can use that predictability Against the player.

 

[jamescasey1124]

Inability or scheming? Pretty sure russ still had the longest run plays of the last few games. This doesnt make sense.

I like that pete is in picture with donald and goff like he is the reason russ is laying flat. Haha.

 

[WmHBonney]

The legs are the first to go....

 

[Chapow]

There were only 3 QB's in the NFL that had more rushing yards than Russ this season. Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray, and Cam Newton, and all 3 of those QB's had designed QB runs as a normal part of their offense while Russ doesn't.

Can he scramble like he once could? No. Is his mobility "nearly gone"? LOL, not even close. He's still more mobile and scrambles better than almost any other QB in the league not named Lamar Jackson or Kyler Murray.

 

[Cyrus12]

Yes noticeably slower. Happens to every qb that gets older.

 

[Scorpion05]

Not looking for an argument, but he ran for over 500 yards. How much faster are we expecting him to be?

The real issue is, we didn’t give Wilson an elite O-line when he was his most athletic. I watch Lamar, and the Ravens didn’t take his mobility for granted. They gave him a strong O-line knowing his mobility is a plus.

Here, we used Russ’ mobility as an excuse to convert wide receivers to O-linemen and hire Tom Cable.

Now, we are going to be forced into getting him better protection. Knowing that we won’t be able to count on Wilson escaping chaos to make magic. And the great part is, Wilson will still be just as mobile as Rodgers and Mahomes because he was once pretty fast. Same for Lamar actually, he’ll go from groundbreaking speed to 2012 Russell Wilson speed by the time he’s 30. And 2020 Wilson speed by the time he’s 35

 

[hawksbydesign]

It was already gone the year before last year.

 

[Optimus25]

There were only 3 QB's in the NFL that had more rushing yards than Russ this season. Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray, and Cam Newton, and all 3 of those QB's had designed QB runs as a normal part of their offense while Russ doesn't.

Can he scramble like he once could? No. Is his mobility "nearly gone"? LOL, not even close. He's still more mobile and scrambles better than almost any other QB in the league not named Lamar Jackson or Kyler Murray.

You're missing the entire point of the OP.

The "mobility" referred to here has nada, zip, nothing to do with rushing yards. Russ's forward trajectory, aka, his lower the helmet and plough forward for yards, has actually declined little relatively speaking. So in the sense you're discussing, yes, he's a "mobile" quarterback.

What the discussion is about is the reverse pivot wide circle evasions, the dip and duck in the collapsing pocket and hitting receivers downfield, the falling away pirhouettes that somehow hit receivers. Basically anything doug baldwin used to do is completely MIA. Like 1,000% gone, because Russ stands in the collapsing pocket too long and doesn't plant and evade like he used to. He used to run about 140 yards in the backfield and then hit a scramble drill receiver whereas anymore he surveys the field for 7.8 seconds too long and takes a sack.

 

[Smellyman]

Ciara's fault

 

[Scorpion05]

There were only 3 QB's in the NFL that had more rushing yards than Russ this season. Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray, and Cam Newton, and all 3 of those QB's had designed QB runs as a normal part of their offense while Russ doesn't.

Can he scramble like he once could? No. Is his mobility "nearly gone"? LOL, not even close. He's still more mobile and scrambles better than almost any other QB in the league not named Lamar Jackson or Kyler Murray.

You're missing the entire point of the OP.

The "mobility" referred to here has nada, zip, nothing to do with rushing yards. Russ's forward trajectory, aka, his lower the helmet and plough forward for yards, has actually declined little relatively speaking. So in the sense you're discussing, yes, he's a "mobile" quarterback.

What the discussion is about is the reverse pivot wide circle evasions, the dip and duck in the collapsing pocket and hitting receivers downfield, the falling away pirhouettes that somehow hit receivers. Basically anything doug baldwin used to do is completely MIA. Like 1,000% gone, because Russ stands in the collapsing pocket too long and doesn't plant and evade like he used to. He used to run about 140 yards in the backfield and then hit a scramble drill receiver whereas anymore he surveys the field for 7.8 seconds too long and takes a sack.

The reverse pivot, wide circle evasions should never, and I mean ever have been the "norm." We should have never accepted it, as the norm.

All of the top QBs in the league this year, are tied or above Russ for time holding the ball. Josh Allen, Lamar, Aaron Rodgers, Mahomes. They all hold the ball. The difference is, holding the ball for them is a luxury. It's not an attempt to make a play where there is none (like the TD to DK against the Rams). That's the way it should be. What I am grateful for is that Russ is still fast enough to escape defenders to the left or right and heave it downfield.

 

[Sports Hernia]

His pocket awareness is worse. He is slower @ processing pressure, and slower at escaping pressure.
Playcalling isn’t doing him any favors, they need to roll him out more (and no that doesn’t take away half the field as some claim).

He also needs to “keep it” on the read option a lot more. The defense never follows him on it because they know he never keeps it. When he runs and gets chunk yardage the opposing defense opens up, and the passing lanes open up.

 

[Chapow]

There were only 3 QB's in the NFL that had more rushing yards than Russ this season. Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray, and Cam Newton, and all 3 of those QB's had designed QB runs as a normal part of their offense while Russ doesn't.

Can he scramble like he once could? No. Is his mobility "nearly gone"? LOL, not even close. He's still more mobile and scrambles better than almost any other QB in the league not named Lamar Jackson or Kyler Murray.

You're missing the entire point of the OP.

The "mobility" referred to here has nada, zip, nothing to do with rushing yards. Russ's forward trajectory, aka, his lower the helmet and plough forward for yards, has actually declined little relatively speaking. So in the sense you're discussing, yes, he's a "mobile" quarterback.

What the discussion is about is the reverse pivot wide circle evasions, the dip and duck in the collapsing pocket and hitting receivers downfield, the falling away pirhouettes that somehow hit receivers. Basically anything doug baldwin used to do is completely MIA. Like 1,000% gone, because Russ stands in the collapsing pocket too long and doesn't plant and evade like he used to. He used to run about 140 yards in the backfield and then hit a scramble drill receiver whereas anymore he surveys the field for 7.8 seconds too long and takes a sack.

The title of the thread is "Is Wilson's mobility nearly gone?", that is what I was addressing, and the answer to that question is clearly no.

It sounds like what you are talking about is his ability to escape ridiculous amounts of pressure and still somehow pull off some crazy play that seems damn near impossible. Something he's done for years, and something that's led to him being referred to as a magician more times than any of us could possibly count. Yes, you're right, he doesn't do that as much as he used to, but he still does it. Just 2 days ago against the Rams he evaded pressure coming up the middle by escaping to his left, out of the pocket, and delivering a dime while on the run to DK for a 51 yard TD.

 

[Chapow]

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[Forthewin]

He got his contract, so he is not going to play superman with his body. Slower? Yes and expect next year's theme to be "Let Russ pass in the pocket"...no more cooking for him.

 

[Chapow]

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[Spin Doctor]

To some degree, yes. Wilson has looked noticeably slower this season. He's still a mobile QB, but I don't think he is capable of the same acts of escapism that he was known for earlier in his career. The main thing I notice with Wilson is that he doesn't have the same start and stop ability. He used to be able to start and stop on a dime. He could immediately accelerate from 0 to 100 and that made it very hard for people to catch him. He looked a bit like Barry Sanders at the QB position at times, pulling of impossible feats of escapism.

Some like to call him a slow, fat, pig, but that would be a hyperbole. It is true, however that Wilson doesn't have the same top end speed or agility that he used to have. He still a mobile QB, he just won't be pulling off those plays on a regular basis that he used to do at least once per game.

 

[MO Hawk]

I think his mobility declined as the season progressed. The number of hits he took each week also continued to wear him down it seemed.

Pete has managed to get by with an underpaid O line over the years due to Wilson's agility. Also Pete talks about the need to improve the running game, which would in turn help Wilson. I feel for Wilson and the beatings he takes week in and week out during the season. Something has to give next year.

 

[LickMyNuts]

What we need to do is draft an offensive line that is all under 6’ tall.

We should be scouting every d3 school. Looking for gems that are 5’10” 315 lbs. The best one should be there at pick 55 for us.

Russ can then comfortably stand in the pocket and see the middle of the field.