Las Vegas Raiders???

[SantaClaraHawk]

How exactly is Las Vegas given the non-football advantage of randos showing up at the hotels going to exactly correct for the advantage of having a team there?

 

[Mistashoesta]

I.. Guess.. It.. Happened

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

The original reason that NFL was radioactive in LV was because that would unfairly bet the spread.

As well, where are the LV Raiders exactly supposed to play until 2020? Confirm or deny that that would not affect the spread, and that we're all supposed to identify that it might not affect due to reasons we are not 100 percent familiar with but might not create bias?

 

[RiverDog]

Not actually happen for like 3 or 4 years though, right? Long time to be lame ducks in Oakland.

They announced that they'll play in Oakland in 2017 and 2018, but they're not sure where they'll play in 2019. The earliest their new stadium will be available will be in 2020.

I was a little surprised that they are spending two more years in Oakland.

 

[replicant]

What are the chances of them putting a sports book inside the stadium? Would the NFL even allow it?

 

[Largent80]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/846424314815692800[/tweet]

 

[Siouxhawk]

The original reason that NFL was radioactive in LV was because that would unfairly bet the spread.

As well, where are the LV Raiders exactly supposed to play until 2020? Confirm or deny that that would not affect the spread, and that we're all supposed to identify that it might not affect due to reasons we are not 100 percent familiar with but might not create bias?

Your spread question is a good one. It shouldn't affect the opening line as those that do that are paid by the casinos and know what they're doing. But with fans of the Raiders living right there and having direct betting access, you'd think they could move the line one way or another much easier.

 

[HawkGA]

Not actually happen for like 3 or 4 years though, right? Long time to be lame ducks in Oakland.

They announced that they'll play in Oakland in 2017 and 2018, but they're not sure where they'll play in 2019. The earliest their new stadium will be available will be in 2020.

I was a little surprised that they are spending two more years in Oakland.

Whatever radio station I was listening to last night gave a 3.5 years number (no idea what the .5 means but I assume it is because it's currently the offseason. The Raiders should volunteer to be a traveling road show until they move into their new stadium. Maybe play a few games in San Diego. A few in San Antonio. Work your way around the country to build a fan base all set to commute to Vegas for the home games there.

 

[JGfromtheNW]

The original reason that NFL was radioactive in LV was because that would unfairly bet the spread.

As well, where are the LV Raiders exactly supposed to play until 2020? Confirm or deny that that would not affect the spread, and that we're all supposed to identify that it might not affect due to reasons we are not 100 percent familiar with but might not create bias?

Your spread question is a good one. It shouldn't affect the opening line as those that do that are paid by the casinos and know what they're doing. But with fans of the Raiders living right there and having direct betting access, you'd think they could move the line one way or another much easier.

Honest question: Do you guys think the NFL really cares about spreads, lines and gambling? I assume gambling actually helps viewership because you have more people with vested interests, but does it have a large enough economical effect for them to worry about what gamblers in Vegas are doing?

Goodell said in October that the league still remains very opposed to gambling on sports. We know that's pretty bizarre (bs?), considering the ridiculous amount of advertising that was allowed by Draft Kings and the like during commercial breaks in previous seasons. Back in 2012 Goodell was part of a court filing against Gov. Chris Christie over sports gambling as well.

It's going to be really interesting to see the Raiders move to the gambling capital of North America.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Honest question: Do you guys think the NFL really cares about spreads, lines and gambling? I assume gambling actually helps viewership because you have more people with vested interests, but does it have a large enough economical effect for them to worry about what gamblers in Vegas are doing? .

Goodell and the league aren't naive, they know what drives the large majority of their success and ratings is gambling.

It's why we're all glued to a terrible MNF game between the Bears and Jets, cause we need 15 more fantasy points........or in Vegas's case, sportsbooks full of gamblers trying to break even with the last game of the week.

IMO the only reason it took this long for a team to relocate to Vegas is image. Up until 10-15 years ago Vegas was still viewed as a town of degenerates and seedy activity. That attitude has changed, so I think the owners and league finally realized Vegas provides a big opportunity to make a LOT of money for everyone............especially when they got taxpayers to pony up most of the cost of the new stadium.

 

[mikeak]

Honest question: Do you guys think the NFL really cares about spreads, lines and gambling? I assume gambling actually helps viewership because you have more people with vested interests, but does it have a large enough economical effect for them to worry about what gamblers in Vegas are doing?

Goodell said in October that the league still remains very opposed to gambling on sports. We know that's pretty bizarre (bs?), considering the ridiculous amount of advertising that was allowed by Draft Kings and the like during commercial breaks in previous seasons. Back in 2012 Goodell was part of a court filing against Gov. Chris Christie over sports gambling as well.

It's going to be really interesting to see the Raiders move to the gambling capital of North America.

1) Agree - they don't care about how lines could be influenced and they shouldn't. That is NOT their problem. They have always cared about the risk of gambling influencing players not to perform based on corruption. HOWEVER with salaries in the millions of dollars that risk has significantly been diminished. The bribes to players has to be so significant to make it worth it to them that the amount gambled has to be tremendous to walk away with a profit which in itself will be a dead giveaway that there is something going on. So I think they can stop worrying about that now. This was a major reason before though when salaries were significantly smaller

2) As I have noted a lot before - this door was opened when they started playing in London. It is funny that the media hasn't mentioned it but games (and everything else) is gambled on over there so by having several games over there and increasing the interest you already created more gambling on NFL games. Going to Vegas just became the next step.

Whatever radio station I was listening to last night gave a 3.5 years number (no idea what the .5 means but I assume it is because it's currently the offseason. The Raiders should volunteer to be a traveling road show until they move into their new stadium. Maybe play a few games in San Diego. A few in San Antonio. Work your way around the country to build a fan base all set to commute to Vegas for the home games there.

The road show idea is very interesting just based on going to Vegas. They will not have a strong home base - the stadium will be filled with visitors so why not try to become "America's team" (yes I know that term is taken).

I like the idea

 

[Siouxhawk]

The original reason that NFL was radioactive in LV was because that would unfairly bet the spread.

As well, where are the LV Raiders exactly supposed to play until 2020? Confirm or deny that that would not affect the spread, and that we're all supposed to identify that it might not affect due to reasons we are not 100 percent familiar with but might not create bias?

Your spread question is a good one. It shouldn't affect the opening line as those that do that are paid by the casinos and know what they're doing. But with fans of the Raiders living right there and having direct betting access, you'd think they could move the line one way or another much easier.

Honest question: Do you guys think the NFL really cares about spreads, lines and gambling? I assume gambling actually helps viewership because you have more people with vested interests, but does it have a large enough economical effect for them to worry about what gamblers in Vegas are doing?

Goodell said in October that the league still remains very opposed to gambling on sports. We know that's pretty bizarre (bs?), considering the ridiculous amount of advertising that was allowed by Draft Kings and the like during commercial breaks in previous seasons. Back in 2012 Goodell was part of a court filing against Gov. Chris Christie over sports gambling as well.

It's going to be really interesting to see the Raiders move to the gambling capital of North America.

I think the NFL and Vegas have been bedfellows for many, many years. They've relied on each other to thrive.

I wonder how much the NHL expansion franchise going in there played a part in the timing of this Raiders move? They can look less hypocritical to all of their previous anti-gambling preaching, now saying "See, we're not the first to be here. It's obviously OK."

 

[JGfromtheNW]

Honest question: Do you guys think the NFL really cares about spreads, lines and gambling? I assume gambling actually helps viewership because you have more people with vested interests, but does it have a large enough economical effect for them to worry about what gamblers in Vegas are doing? .

Goodell and the league aren't naive, they know what drives the large majority of their success and ratings is gambling.

It's why we're all glued to a terrible MNF game between the Bears and Jets, cause we need 15 more fantasy points........or in Vegas's case, sportsbooks full of gamblers trying to break even with the last game of the week.

IMO the only reason it took this long for a team to relocate to Vegas is image. Up until 10-15 years ago Vegas was still viewed as a town of degenerates and seedy activity. That attitude has changed, so I think the owners and league finally realized Vegas provides a big opportunity to make a LOT of money for everyone............especially when they got taxpayers to pony up most of the cost of the new stadium.

I definitely think the viewership/success in the past might have been a bit more hand-in-hand, but in 2017 with the amount of money the league generates now I just don't see gambling in Vegas as "driving the large majority of their success and ratings." It's one city, last I checked the "large majority" of the NFL's ratings don't come from Vegas and at this point the NFL might look at the economic effect that Vegas has on their overall bottom-line as marginal. I'm not saying you're wrong by any means, I just think you're overestimating the effect and really how much the NFL cares about it at this point.

Edit: I just realized you said gambling in general. I'm still not sure sports gambling in a few states and abroad is a large driving factor for the NFL's success.

I do completely agree with you, though, that they're letting this go through now because of image. The attitude has changed about Vegas, as mikeak pointed out players and coaches are making enough money where taking bribes/throwing games isn't even worth it and you have an NHL already moving into town.

I think the problem for the NFL relating to Vegas, and sports gambling in general, is not tarnishing the "integrity of the game."

 

[mikeak]

^ I was going to make a similar point but then noted that he also mentions fantasy points

I think it is hard to argue that fantasy in general is (EDIT: Should have said is NOT) driving interest. I am seeing people do fantasy draft that have no clue about the sports. They end up checking scores, talking about it etc and it just helps drive the overall interest

I personally don't consider that gambling or being tied to being in Vegas but I do agree that it is a very valid point that it is all part of a big machine generating additional interest helping the NFL

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Honest question: Do you guys think the NFL really cares about spreads, lines and gambling? I assume gambling actually helps viewership because you have more people with vested interests, but does it have a large enough economical effect for them to worry about what gamblers in Vegas are doing? .

Goodell and the league aren't naive, they know what drives the large majority of their success and ratings is gambling.

It's why we're all glued to a terrible MNF game between the Bears and Jets, cause we need 15 more fantasy points........or in Vegas's case, sportsbooks full of gamblers trying to break even with the last game of the week.

IMO the only reason it took this long for a team to relocate to Vegas is image. Up until 10-15 years ago Vegas was still viewed as a town of degenerates and seedy activity. That attitude has changed, so I think the owners and league finally realized Vegas provides a big opportunity to make a LOT of money for everyone............especially when they got taxpayers to pony up most of the cost of the new stadium.

I definitely think the viewership/success in the past might have been a bit more hand-in-hand, but in 2017 with the amount of money the league generates now I just don't see gambling in Vegas as "driving the large majority of their success and ratings." It's one city, last I checked the "large majority" of the NFL's ratings don't come from Vegas and at this point the NFL might look at the economic effect that Vegas has on their overall bottom-line as marginal. I'm not saying you're wrong by any means, I just think you're overestimating the effect and really how much the NFL cares about it at this point.

Edit: I just realized you said gambling in general. I'm still not sure sports gambling in a few states and abroad is a large driving factor for the NFL's success.

I do completely agree with you, though, that they're letting this go through now because of image. The attitude has changed about Vegas, as mikeak pointed out players and coaches are making enough money where taking bribes/throwing games isn't even worth it and you have an NHL already moving into town.

I think the problem for the NFL relating to Vegas, and sports gambling in general, is not tarnishing the "integrity of the game."

I didn't say gambling in VEGAS as driving ratings and success, I said gambling in general, all over the world now.

Vegas is no longer just a city of transients and degenerates. It's vibrant affluent city full of longtime and new residents that will make the NFL successful.

I honestly don't see the gambling element an issue here, and obviously neither did the league.

 

[JGfromtheNW]

^ I was going to make a similar point but then noted that he also mentions fantasy points

I think it is hard to argue that fantasy in general is driving interest. I am seeing people do fantasy draft that have no clue about the sports. They end up checking scores, talking about it etc and it just helps drive the overall interest

I personally don't consider that gambling or being tied to being in Vegas but I do agree that it is a very valid point that it is all part of a big machine generating additional interest helping the NFL

I definitely think Fantasy has become one of the easiest ways for the NFL to garner interest from people who generally don't care to watch or pay attention outside of their own teams. Everybody including their drunk mother-in-law is playing now.

Whatever radio station I was listening to last night gave a 3.5 years number (no idea what the .5 means but I assume it is because it's currently the offseason. The Raiders should volunteer to be a traveling road show until they move into their new stadium. Maybe play a few games in San Diego. A few in San Antonio. Work your way around the country to build a fan base all set to commute to Vegas for the home games there.

The road show idea is very interesting just based on going to Vegas. They will not have a strong home base - the stadium will be filled with visitors so why not try to become "America's team" (yes I know that term is taken).

I like the idea

Man, fans in the Oakland area would be piiiiiiiiiiiiissed, but it's an interesting idea. Go to cities that don't currently have an NFL presence, maybe scope out the ones with cheap flights directly to Vegas and you might be able to build something over two years.


Sgt., I edited my post shortly after to acknowledge that you didn't specify gambling in Vegas. I'm with ya.

 

[Seahawkfan80]

Honest question: Do you guys think the NFL really cares about spreads, lines and gambling? I assume gambling actually helps viewership because you have more people with vested interests, but does it have a large enough economical effect for them to worry about what gamblers in Vegas are doing? .

Goodell and the league aren't naive, they know what drives the large majority of their success and ratings is gambling.

It's why we're all glued to a terrible MNF game between the Bears and Jets, cause we need 15 more fantasy points........or in Vegas's case, sportsbooks full of gamblers trying to break even with the last game of the week.

IMO the only reason it took this long for a team to relocate to Vegas is image. Up until 10-15 years ago Vegas was still viewed as a town of degenerates and seedy activity. Now They Have The Raiders Too. That attitude has changed, so I think the owners and league finally realized Vegas provides a big opportunity to make a LOT of money for everyone............especially when they got taxpayers to pony up most of the cost of the new stadium.

 

[chris98251]

Oakland councilmen wants to throw the Raiders out of Oakland now.

Gambling before the internet was a concern, with the internet it doesn't matter, Vegas, Atlantic City, Morocco, or Fargo, you can gamble and bet anywhere in the world now.

Also Owner of Bordello is going to open a Raiders themed One.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Also Owner of Bordello is going to open a Raiders themed One.

Is that where the hookers role play as unemployed lowlife Raider fans who throw batteries at you and have bench warrants?

 

[chris98251]

No, probably where you go and say I needs a Wench arrggh.